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Well done the GFC during trade period. I remember listening to trade radio and Terry Wallace talking about our list. He mentioned unlike other teams Geelong's rookies are really impressive. I understand that we have to trim our rookie list from 6 to 4. What other restrictions apply? Who of our current rookies have to be upgraded or delisted?

I know Stringer has been upgraded and out last pick will be used for him.

Is there a possibility Stephen Wells will upgrade another rookie for pick 79.

I love the way Cam Eardley goes about his business. He is like a mix of milburn and rooke. I just watched his video on Troys Boys and he makes mention he doesn't have a contract for next season. Give this boy a contract! He has been playing down back in vfl and there is where a weakness in our senior list is going to appear. Boris and hunt can't play on forever

Interested to know what other people thoughts are on our rookies and Geelong strategy.
 
October 31 is the deadline so we'll find out then.

I would expect Walker to go up which along with Stringer would get us down to the 4 category A's, so in theory we could keep them all and take no rookie draft picks, but I reckon we'll want at least one. Therefore I reckon Burbury and maybe Simpkin could be in the gun even though they have performed quite well. I'm a bit surprised one of the rookies didn't get traded as we will find it hard to hang onto them all.
 

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Pure_Ownage said:
October 31 is the deadline so we'll find out then.

I would expect Walker to go up which along with Stringer would get us down to the 4 category A's, so in theory we could keep them all and take no rookie draft picks, but I reckon we'll want at least one. Therefore I reckon Burbury and maybe Simpkin could be in the gun even though they have performed quite well. I'm a bit surprised one of the rookies didn't get traded as we will find it hard to hang onto them all.
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You think Burbury or Simpkin would go out before Sheringham?
 
FredLeDeux said:
You think Burbury or Simpkin would go out before Sheringham?
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I rate both higher than Jackson but generally the first year rookies are cut more slack than the second year rookies.
 
My gut feeling is that because we were able to get Caddy that it might spell the end to Simpkin. For a rookie I thought his output was great, however, he seemed to be lacking something when senior games were given to him.

Burbury has that desire to not give up which I think Stephen Wells craves in a player. Does he need to be elevated this draft or can he go around again?
 
Pure_Ownage said:
I rate both higher than Jackson but generally the first year rookies are cut more slack than the second year rookies.
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If we keep Walker and Burbury as Rookies , I don't see the logic in keeping Sheringham. We have promoted Stringer , gathered Caddy , GHS , Cowan and perhaps another 1 or two will be pressing for mids spots. Either Walker or Burbury may well be the nominated Rookie.
OK as you have in mind if we do dump Burbury , perhaps Sheringham is kept. Burbury offer something a bit different to Sheringham. Have doubts on him but Sherinham looks to be a toiler and not sure he has the class to sustain a spot when most of our players are fit. Id play GHS before him for instance
 
Just 1 live pick I reckon (16). Walker, Stringer upgrades.

In relation to rookies, Burbury, Eardley retained. Simpkin, Sheringham delisted. Two Rookie selections. Tough call on the latter two. But reality is, given how much young talent we have on our list, and the fact we're taking only 1 live pick in probability, two mids in their mid20s, who aren't in our best 22, are list clogging our rookie list. I'm wondering how we're gonna find sufficient gametime for Stringer, GHS, maybe even Caddy next year. So better to get two 18 y.o kids who can develop in the VFL for a year or two, than have Simpkin, Sheringham tearing it up as proven VFL players. Would be great to rookie a young ruck and KPD prospect IMO.
 
lukep said:
My gut feeling is that because we were able to get Caddy that it might spell the end to Simpkin. For a rookie I thought his output was great, however, he seemed to be lacking something when senior games were given to him.

Burbury has that desire to not give up which I think Stephen Wells craves in a player. Does he need to be elevated this draft or can he go around again?
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Heya lukep, Burbs can be either retained for a third year as a rookie, as I understand it, or delisted. He can also be upgraded of course but noone thinks he will be.
 
I'd prefer us to upgrade Stringer and Walker and tread water with everyone else, but it's probably unlikely. Even if Walker is upgraded, if we keep everyone else, Simpkin, Burbury and Bathie (I assume category 'B' rookies still only get three years on the list? It would probably be time to make a definite call on him one way or the other though, considering he will be 26) will all be in Stringer's position at the end of next year. Unless we have an absolute truckload of departures (not out of the question, mind you), three rookie upgrades in one year is a lot.

I'm a big Simpkin fan and hope we keep him, but I think he'll be the unlucky one to go.
 
MC Extra Dollop said:
I'd prefer us to upgrade Stringer and Walker and tread water with everyone else, but it's probably unlikely. Even if Walker is upgraded, if we keep everyone else, Simpkin, Horlin-Smith and Bathie (I assume category 'B' rookies still only get three years on the list? It would probably be time to make a definite call on him one way or the other though, considering he will be 26) will all be in Stringer's position at the end of next year. Unless we have an absolute truckload of departures (not out of the question, mind you), three rookie upgrades in one year is a lot.

I'm a big Simpkin fan and hope we keep him, but I think he'll be the unlucky one to go.
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Macca, I dunno why you have GHS in this list. He is an AFL listed player and not a rookie.

Have I misunderstood the point you are trying to make?
 

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We need to clear rookie space for a number of reasons. Firstly, for me it's undesirable to have a new kid come in (16) as the only kid in his draft class. Undesirable for both the draftee, and from a list management perspective. Secondly, for list flexibility. It's counterproductive to retain all our existing rookies. We'd then face a logjam in 12 months.

Burbs, Eardley look very likely AFL prospects, if we keep Walker rookied, that'd mean 3 likely elevations next year. If we want to take at least 3 new draftees next year, which is preferable given we're largely inactive in this year's draft, that's 6 list spots needed already. What if Blicavs really comes on quickly? and I think he very well might. Where would a then 26 and 25 year old Simpkin and Sheringham fit in the equation? We're better off just making the tough call now, then delaying the decision for 12 months and hurting our list management in the process.

Reality is, Simpkin and Sheringham both have better likelihood of establishing AFL careers elsewhere, if there are interested clubs. The likes of Port, Dogs, even the Saints, would be good fits for them.
 
i think it's more likely than not that gillies will be de-listed, which would open up another spot

i like what i've seen of burbury, and even though most of the other rookies are probably more deserving of a spot, burbury's the one i'd most like to be elevated.
 
zb14 said:
Just 1 live pick I reckon (16). Walker, Stringer upgrades.

In relation to rookies, Burbury, Eardley retained. Simpkin, Sheringham delisted. Two Rookie selections. Tough call on the latter two. But reality is, given how much young talent we have on our list, and the fact we're taking only 1 live pick in probability, two mids in their mid20s, who aren't in our best 22, are list clogging our rookie list. I'm wondering how we're gonna find sufficient gametime for Stringer, GHS, maybe even Caddy next year. So better to get two 18 y.o kids who can develop in the VFL for a year or two, than have Simpkin, Sheringham tearing it up as proven VFL players. Would be great to rookie a young ruck and KPD prospect IMO.
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Thats a fair call i think the club would rather get games into the likes of Horlin Smith, Schroder, Stringer etc than those 2 guys.
 
How exactly does burbury look afl standard, hes an undersized forward pocket who can't kick. Personally would delist cowan and schroder place walker and simpkin on the primary. Simpkin better than both. Schroder is tough but only cracked it fire 1 game this year against gws. With caddy, stringer, christenson, all inside players hes no chance for senior footy. Simpkin can sub play forward much better option even if older. Cowan do not rate at all.
 
I like our rookies, Eardley, Burbury, Bathie, Simpkin.
Would like to retain all of them.
Just as a side issue, what about Holden, and some other nonAFL VFL players, forgotten names but they were mentioned some weeks ago, any chance we select from them?
 
Let me state that I reckon all of our current rookies have earnt their place on the list. Each one in their own way has done so. ( I will omit Bathie and Blicavs as type B for now and Stringer as promoted)

The issue I think will come down to team balance and age assessments. I tend to think Rookies are generally thought of as "where will will be in 2 years"" as opposed to too much immediate help now - although several came up this year and had an impact. This becomes relevant when you look at the age of our lists.

We are short as has been highlighted, in that mid age group 23 - 26. You would think Sheringham and Simpkin would be perfect - and I like them both.
Issue is that at the age they are currently they just wont dislodge Caddy, Bundy, Sel from the midifield. Not to mention JC, SJ, Mitch, Jimmy, Poodle etc.

Where as with Walker, Burbs, Eardley etc they are generally younger and not necessarily playing in an area where we are fully log jammed for players.
In 2 years, I could see Walker replacing Pods. Burbs at best could replace Stokes as a similar type of player and Earley - RookeII.

Very rose coloured view of course but all would be under 24 at that time.

I feel for Sheringham and Joffa but sometimes its purely timing - ask Gilles. I really hope we can find space for them but I just dont see how it will work. They would get games at other clubs, PA, Doggies, etc and would hate to see their chance wasted by biding more time here.

Of course, this gives us no space for Voldmort, Holden, or any other gem Wellsy has his eye on...


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Turbocat said:
If we keep Walker and Burbury as Rookies , I don't see the logic in keeping Sheringham. We have promoted Stringer , gathered Caddy , GHS , Cowan and perhaps another 1 or two will be pressing for mids spots. Either Walker or Burbury may well be the nominated Rookie.
OK as you have in mind if we do dump Burbury , perhaps Sheringham is kept. Burbury offer something a bit different to Sheringham. Have doubts on him but Sherinham looks to be a toiler and not sure he has the class to sustain a spot when most of our players are fit. Id play GHS before him for instance
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I tend to agree but I do think the second year rookies are more likely to go than the first, that's just how we generally tend to do it.

Simpkin deserves to stay more than all of them but due to his age and Caddy coming in I think he'll be the unlucky one to get the boot, which he doesn't deserve, but I can see it happening.

I'm not as big on Burbury as some. I think we're pretty strong in the position he plays so I also think he could well be in trouble.

All our rookies are pretty good but the squeeze is on, which is why it's interesting that we didn't trade one.
 
What is the story behind Sully, Holden, McLean?
All these showed a bit at stages this year.
McLean too old.
The others?
 
I'm a big rap for Andrew McLean. He reads the game well, is a strong one grab mark and has good disposal. In the VFL games I saw first-hand this year he didn't lower his colours once. Unfortunately, at 29, time might have beaten him. I'd like to see him get a crack at ones football somewhere.
 
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I'm a big rap for Andrew McLean. He reads the game well, is a strong one grab mark and has good disposal. In the VFL games I saw first-hand this year he didn't lower his colours once. Unfortunately, at 29, time might have beaten him. I'd like to see him get a crack at ones football somewhere.
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Yes, easily our best defender over the whole finals series.
Would have been very useful if he was 2 or 3 years younger.
 
I believe we will find out today what happens with our rookies.

I'm tipping no more upgrades and at least a couple of delistings. I don't watch enough VFL footy to know who, but I know rookies are usually overrated by the punditry compared with the list managers.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
I rate both higher than Jackson but generally the first year rookies are cut more slack than the second year rookies.[/quote

Well Simpkin did go - and we promoted Stringer from the Rookie list. So we have two Rookie picks and 2 live ND picks.

Realistically as long as Wells pulls out a beauty with pick 16 that is all that matters.

We seem to have a history of picking injured players like Varcoe, Vardy, Smedts, Motlop and Brown. All had their progression slowed by serious injury/s.So getting someone fit and can play 20 VFL games would be good for a change.

I have no idea who we will pick. Menzel probably not as he wont get to pick 16. But I reckon a strong bodied mid with decent pace and kicking skills mid and at pick 16 that big backman we have seen a bit of in the VFL at pick 79.

I keep seeing that Vlutusian (not sure of the spelling and unwilling to learn to we pick him up) mentioned as a realistic pick at 16. Seems Stringer will be gone as well.

Looking at the next 2-4 years - after Caddy coming, we get a good mid at this year's ND draft - one or two of the kids like Stringer, Hypen and Schroder come thru - we will have a solid midfield outfit with depth. So maybe next year we will look for a bigger backman. Not needed now but with 3 years we will probably need one (though I am a believer Walker can play that role well for us). Then we have Hamling - and maybe Brown.

Not many are convinced Walker will be a good CHB, and even less so of Brown. Hamling has yet to do anything and is still a work in progress. So this suggests we will need 2 years an up and coming KPB being groomed in case the others do not make it
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