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Daytripper said:
There is no edge in roulette.

Ever heard of a successful professional roulette player ?
Neither have I.
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Priceless ! :thumbsu:, good comment !

Of course there is, you know the idiots that sit around the roulette table thinking, they could predict the outcome of where the ball will land or even what zone the ball will land in! Actually find it very sad the casino's give cards to these people so they can mark off which numbers have landed !

Sad really, any roulette player that takes that game seriously thinking they could win over a long period of time.:(

Sure its possible to win big time, through chance and luck, but in the long run, its gamblers ruin ! :rolleyes:
 
Daytripper said:
I would classify that as cheating (good luck to him if you can get away with it though) - not playing the numbers..
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exactly he is using a design flaw to take advantage ! ;)

Whereas winning in blackjack, poker and sports betting takes skill, art and a descent bank balance he is taking advantage of malfunctioned roulette table, I really wouldnt call that skillful !

In any case even if he was successful in what he was doing, I would say its more luck and chance then skill and ball counting lol ! :D
 
Patrick_Bullet - The edge may come from something unknown not necessarily something so black/white. But you are right, the edge would have to put you in favour of the odds. So you need to find something quite large in this sense. All card counters have is 0.5% edge I believe. But it is enough to win millions.

An edge will count for everything - IF - you know how to use it. Because, remember, you can play the perfect hand perfectly in poker/blackjack and still lose. All you have to remember, is that it is only one hand you have lost - not the whole system.



Daytripper - I merely find it interesting that there are areas you can exploit. This isn't about me. It is about the bigger picture, ideas, reasons, research, knowledge. Even for such a negatively geared game, I find it astounding that people out there can see beyond what the eye can see and learn something about a topic that puts them in a fantastic betting position.


Plus you are more than welcome to be the bank and spin a wheel for me. Either way, I am not risking anything more than what I would normally. But you may be.
 

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Blackjack is interesting, I regularly win (yes I do lose occasionally but i way way up) however there is so much time and energy required to practice. Im referring to card counting systems, its very exhausting to practice.

No I havent made millions but I regularly make enough to enjoy myself to waste money on things that I probably should not be buying.:rolleyes:

Nothing sweeter when you have finished gambling and enjoying a quiet one at the bar. Interesting how when I start winning, you start getting a few girls surround you.

Hmmmm I only wish they were something to talk about, real trailer park trash. No matter how drunk you are, its easy to say no or knock these girls back ! lol :p
 
Good luck to you Ferris_Rules.

I hope you don't get manipulated by those shemales that frequent the tables.
 
Ferris_rules said:
geez dont know where you have been visiting, but have never thankfully been hit on shemales! But I respect your taste if thats what you like !
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Don't worry funny man. Shemales arn't that bad.


Patrick_Bullet - I don't have an example of what you are asking, well I don't have an example that would match what you are looking for. Plus I don't exactly know why you need an example of something of this nature. Read the comment carefully and the word 'may' simply implies that while this may not be entirely possible, its not entirely impossible either. If that makes sense. I am not claiming anything. Merely assuming that with the right amount of resources, time, knowledge and skill that you may come across something unknown to the human eye. How? When? Where? Why? I wouldn't be here if I knew those things.

But what is the point of this debate? I am not looking for answers that you cannot 100% win long term on roulette. I doubt whether you are looking for answers that say you can 100% win at roulette long term.

As I have said before, I find it astounding that there are people out there who have beaten roulette which is such a negatively geared game. And to do so, would take a lot of mental strength, time, research and knowledge.

All I would like to do. Is try and think outside the square. Whether it be roulette, greyhounds, sports betting, craps. It doesn't matter. Because if you think like the norm - you will lose like the norm. It's that simple.
 
In terms of an edge in "unbeatable" games, I understand it's been done in craps. The player learns to roll the dice so that the favourable numbers come out 2% or so more frequently, and given you can get very close to 50% anyway in craps, is then able to beat the game.

I think Roulette would be near-impossible these days, given the casino would employ their own mathematicians to try to find possible flaws. Having said that, targeting small-town casinos could, in theory, work.
 
Oaksnaf said:
All I would like to do. Is try and think outside the square. Whether it be roulette, greyhounds, sports betting, craps. It doesn't matter. Because if you think like the norm - you will lose like the norm. It's that simple.
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If you want to think outside the norm, then understand that roulette is not beatable and don't play it.

Save your money for games that are beatable.
 

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Daytripper said:
If you want to think outside the norm, then understand that roulette is not beatable and don't play it.

Save your money for games that are beatable.
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Why do you have to go down this path.

I believe roulette is beatable. Yet I have never advised you to go and play it because I think it is beatable. Same as you shouldn't advise me to stay away from roulette because you think it's unbeatable.

No math. No staking plan. No sequence betting can beat roulette. We all know that. It is the other elements in roulette that are different and there is a possibility that you can exploit those areas and thus find an edge.

There is no definate 'it can be done' argument on my point of view. Merely the possibility that it can be done on the basis of how others have done it before. And that is not through simple math because you can't turn a negative into a positive unless you have the edge.
 
Sigh - as a punter/gambler for almost 30 years who has also spent some time working for bookmakers, I've got a pretty decent idea of what constitutes value and what doesn't.

You asked for advice and my advice is that roulette is not beatable.

If you want to learn the hard way, then I'm not going to stop you.
 
Daytripper said:
Sigh - as a punter/gambler for almost 30 years who has also spent some time working for bookmakers, I've got a pretty decent idea of what constitutes value and what doesn't.

You asked for advice and my advice is that roulette is not beatable.

If you want to learn the hard way, then I'm not going to stop you.
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You can take a camel to the water, but you cannot make it drink it ! :cool:
 
You know camels can go for quite a while without drinking. Maybe it is already full and doesn't need water this time around.
 
Daytripper said:
Sportingbet hype up their bets. Don't believe anthing thye say in the press. Its all a PR stunt and it works too.

Basic rule of thumb is to divide the bet by 10 and you will get the correct amount.

I know guys who have backed horses to win 20K with them and been knocked back.
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Heh. That happens at all betting agencies though. It's not like you going to let a winner keep winning large amounts if they're 110% with you a couple months or years down the track and they bet everyday of the week. You're not going to let guys on for amounts when you're holding nothing on a market as well.
 
Ill Chicken said:
Heh. That happens at all betting agencies though. It's not like you going to let a winner keep winning large amounts if they're 110% with you a couple months or years down the track and they bet everyday of the week. You're not going to let guys on for amounts when you're holding nothing on a market as well.
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are you sure about this?

I would have thought it would be an issue for the ACCC ?
 
Why would the ACCC give a stuff? You're not buying anything.

What I am saying is that betting agencies, regardless of their names, will have a market and have an amount they can afford to lose. They will still let the guy on, but not for the same amount. They're not the TAB where they hold 10% of every race, that make money regardless.
 
mdc said:
I think Roulette would be near-impossible these days, given the casino would employ their own mathematicians to try to find possible flaws. Having said that, targeting small-town casinos could, in theory, work.
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Crown (Melbourne) - YES. Sky City (NZ) - until recently, YES.

Both (esp. Crown) have been leaders in both tables and slots analytics.


The stories I could tell.......
 
Ill Chicken said:
Why would the ACCC give a stuff? You're not buying anything.

What I am saying is that betting agencies, regardless of their names, will have a market and have an amount they can afford to lose. They will still let the guy on, but not for the same amount. They're not the TAB where they hold 10% of every race, that make money regardless.
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Jimmy_the_Gent said:
I'd be curious to know why the martingale system wouldn't work on horses/sports.

So far the best reason I've got for it not working is that the ROI could be small and obviously that you could go on a 12+ bet losing streak.
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Most of the time staking plans try and turn a losing punter (on level stakes) into a winning one. It can for short periods of time. But over the course of the years, the run of outs are inevitable and in one foul swoop you lose all your profit.

Aggressive progressive punting must be taken seriously and you need the starting bank to deal with it all.

And to me, progressive staking works best after a few losses due to its agressive style. So why would we punt, in the hope that we have a few losses then hit a big winner?

It's like the fibbonachi system

1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89

If you were to have 5 winners off the blocks straight away @

$4
$7
$10
$8
$6

=35 units

Then have a run of 10 outs (so you have a 33% S/R and would be showing a huge profit on level stakes) you would have spent:

231 units

What a waste...................................................

If you can't win at level stakes, then long term, I believe that there isn't a staking plan that will turn you from a loser into a winner.
 
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