round 1: Judd V ------?

[Spluff]

I can't see a defender they've got capable of stopping Riewoldt. If we can break even in the middle and get some good inside 50, Riewoldt looms as the matchwinner.

Most clubs don't. I expect they'll take the route that every other club took at the end of the year and just play three players in front of him, blocking and scragging to prevent him even getting to the ball.

 

[darcytiger]

Hopefully we have some players in the ruck this game. Man that was strange round 1 this year

 

[El Tigre]

Hopefully we have some players in the ruck this game. Man that was strange round 1 this year

Kruezer may not be in the team, recovering from surgery. Not that i think that will affect who we play in the ruck tho. But if he does, Gus will need more help, as he hasn't got the run that Kruzer has, and i believe Warnock is developing quite well, so they are looking at having a formidable ruck pair. That means probably both Post and Vickery will rotate between rucking and forward positions.

 

[fred swift]

Jackson is our #1 tagger, strong and quick so I'd expect him to spend most of the game on Judd!

if jackson gets a game we r f_ _ _ ed 3 votes c judd jackson should play 20 games 4 coburg i can only pray.

 

[tigs2010]

if jackson gets a game we r f_ _ _ ed 3 votes c judd jackson should play 20 games 4 coburg i can only pray.

did u watch and richmond games this year? did u see what happened when we played without jackson?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

if jackson gets a game we r f_ _ _ ed 3 votes c judd jackson should play 20 games 4 coburg i can only pray.

When Jackson tags solely he is a valuable player, when he alters in anyway from that role , in my opinion he doesn't warrant selection .
I don't think he was as good in that tagging role in 2010 as he was in 2009 ?

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

did u watch and richmond games this year? did u see what happened when we played without jackson?

Agree. Have watched 6-7 games again from this year over the last couple of weeks, and my feelings on review were:

Have a higher opinion of - Jackson, White, Graham and Jake King (in the last half of the season).

Have a lower opinion of Nahas, Nason with Vickery a concern (but still early in development-worries of being lazy-but NicNat also was exposed with that this year-could be just fitness).

Also I am even more convinced of Tuck being more of a minus than a plus. I said at the beginning of the year he needed to be told he had to handball as much as possible, but he continued to slam it onto the boot more than any other player in the AFL imo. When in close and tight, it often has to be done, but he does it a lot when he has time to look for another option. Any option rather than blindlessly kick it. Maybe he is just unlucky and more often than not, he kicks it straight to the opposition. At least he is only giving the ball back from some hard at it, 'get the ball' stuff that he has done himself and not from a receive. But still....frustrating to watch..imagine how the players feel!

Watching Cotch rev all the players who had grouped just after a halftime siren, and where we had been pathetic, had future captain written all over it.(Newman was seeing if one of our players down was still alive!)

Also, Robbie Hicks can run a 10.9 sec 100m..is that faster than Whitey?

 

[Equus]

I think the question is who will be playing against the raging bull that is Martin?

 

[Bird Man]

I think the question is who will be playing against the raging bull that is Martin?

I dont think he will be specifically targeted. just checked during the beginning of teh game wait for him to burn out half way through.

Shut down Judd shuts down carton pure and simple. Jacko will be on him with martin having a crack maybe second quarter

 

[captain blood 17]

Judd is a magnificent footballer no doubt, but his one deficiency is his defensive game. Don't tag him, run off him. There will be argy bargy around scrimmages anyway, but try and hurt him through open play. Guys like Judd are that good that you can never shut them out of a game fully anyway. Find other ways to hurt the opposition.

 

[captain blood 17]

I dont think he will be specifically targeted. just checked during the beginning of teh game wait for him to burn out half way through.

Shut down Judd shuts down carton pure and simple. Jacko will be on him with martin having a crack maybe second quarter

Two brownlows and a flag and however many b & f's suggest not many get the better of Judd. Elite runner and player. It would be foolhardy to try and roughhouse him or out run him. Neither will work. He's a perfectionist, you need to get into his head in other ways. I reckon hurt him accountability wise would be the way to go.

 

[Bird Man]

Two brownlows and a flag and however many b & f's suggest not many get the better of Judd. Elite runner and player. It would be foolhardy to try and roughhouse him or out run him. Neither will work. He's a perfectionist, you need to get into his head in other ways. I reckon hurt him accountability wise would be the way to go.

instead of cutting the supply why not cut out the outlet.. in basic form shut down teh key players he has to past to and he will be passing it to us

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Judd is a magnificent footballer no doubt, but his one deficiency is his defensive game. Don't tag him, run off him. There will be argy bargy around scrimmages anyway, but try and hurt him through open play. Guys like Judd are that good that you can never shut them out of a game fully anyway. Find other ways to hurt the opposition.

I agree , play Lids on him as with no attention Lids can hurt the opposition as much as anyone . Cotchin will be tagged , I'd back our ability to win contested footy and get it to Lids in space .

 

[captain blood 17]

instead of cutting the supply why not cut out the outlet.. in basic form shut down teh key players he has to past to and he will be passing it to us

I know we like to wind up the blues supporters, but it would make sense to target a guy like Murphy more and put a tag on him. There's a famous Cats v Dons game where Ablett snr kicks 14 and they still lose - why - because Sheedy has the notion that you aint gonna stop Ablett, so just try and outscore Geelong. We can't effectively tag Judd, so think outside the box, who else could you tag, what else can be done. Gibbs is their "quarterback" off the half back line, their Goddard if you like, he sets up a bucket load of play behind the ball, target him (he's a 60m player with his disposal and link play), you'll get a better result for the team than focussing on Judd. So just some food for thought. Oh and fast Eddy Betts - he likes playing us a little too much, we need to stop him big time.

 

[captain blood 17]

I agree , play Lids on him as with no attention Lids can hurt the opposition as much as anyone . Cotchin will be tagged , I'd back our ability to win contested footy and get it to Lids in space .

I almost reckon to win the game it could be a battle of the "quarterbacks" - Lids run and carry off the HBL v Gibbs run and carry off their HBL. They tag Cotch, we tag Murphy. When you think about the match, there's some great match ups and scenario's.

 

[LOZWILDA]

I would like to see Murphy tagged and Gibbs covered at half back. And whoever gets a tag for us like Cotch, then go to Judd freeing up space for our other midfielders! Just a thought???

 

[Spluff]

I agree , play Lids on him as with no attention Lids can hurt the opposition as much as anyone . Cotchin will be tagged , I'd back our ability to win contested footy and get it to Lids in space .

I think the only time we've ever beaten Judd was when we played Lids on him in 09. It's a good option but it depends on whether Hardwick maintains he should be a defender not a midfielder.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I'd think Jackson would be your best option, as playing Delidio on Judd may mean you lose too much of his offensive capabilities. Grigg's defensive game has never been a highlight, and I can see him trying to hunt his own ball while Judd rips it apart.

Play Martin on Murphy, should physically beat him and force Murphy to play outside, and both have great offensive capabilities.

 

[DerpWerls]

Why on earth would we play Martin in what would basically be a shut down role on Murphy?
Taggers will go to Judd, Murphy, Cotchin, Martin etc.
Not Deledio VS Judd, Martin VS Murphy, Cotchin VS Gibbs... lmao

Also - I don't want to see Morton tag anyone, his defensive skills are shite.

 

[cormick]

Judd is a magnificent footballer no doubt, but his one deficiency is his defensive game. Don't tag him, run off him. There will be argy bargy around scrimmages anyway, but try and hurt him through open play. Guys like Judd are that good that you can never shut them out of a game fully anyway. Find other ways to hurt the opposition.

Two brownlows and a flag and however many b & f's suggest not many get the better of Judd. Elite runner and player. It would be foolhardy to try and roughhouse him or out run him. Neither will work. He's a perfectionist, you need to get into his head in other ways. I reckon hurt him accountability wise would be the way to go.

Interesting theory that has, if I recall correctly, worked well before. However, leaving Judd by himself is frought with more danger than trying to limit his effect for mine. If we were to go head-on with him, we'd have to be prepared to get slaughtered by him, because if we moved whoever is tagging, say, Murphy, Judd, with his tail up, is likely to still be dominant and it would then free Murphy up.

I know we like to wind up the blues supporters, but it would make sense to target a guy like Murphy more and put a tag on him. There's a famous Cats v Dons game where Ablett snr kicks 14 and they still lose - why - because Sheedy has the notion that you aint gonna stop Ablett, so just try and outscore Geelong. We can't effectively tag Judd, so think outside the box, who else could you tag, what else can be done. Gibbs is their "quarterback" off the half back line, their Goddard if you like, he sets up a bucket load of play behind the ball, target him (he's a 60m player with his disposal and link play), you'll get a better result for the team than focussing on Judd. So just some food for thought. Oh and fast Eddy Betts - he likes playing us a little too much, we need to stop him big time.

I almost reckon to win the game it could be a battle of the "quarterbacks" - Lids run and carry off the HBL v Gibbs run and carry off their HBL. They tag Cotch, we tag Murphy. When you think about the match, there's some great match ups and scenario's.

I reckon Gibbs is more dangerous than Murphy. It's on our midfield to limit both Murphy and Gibbs: if our inside mids can feed our outside mids effectively, then Murphy, who is very dangerous but plays too forward of the ball, shouldn't have as big an influence as if their inside mids get on top. If Tuck, Jackson, Martin and co. can get the ball out to our outside players, then Murphy should struggle.

Then it's up to the outside mids and half backs to ensure that the ball isn't kicked in such a way that Gibbs can cut it off. Gibbs is bound to get his ~30 possessions, we've just got to make sure that they're all cheap short kicks to players still in D50. We must get our zone right for their kick-ins - they don't have a huge marking presence (unless Kreuzer is playing and has bulked up a little) as a get-out kick, so stopping or limiting all their options at their half back/wing is vital. If we do it effectively, Gibbs' influence should be minimal. But that still leaves Judd who, despite a lack of defensive game, is likely to overcome our best-laid plans and bring the rest of his dangerous mids into it.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Why on earth would we play Martin in what would basically be a shut down role on Murphy?
Taggers will go to Judd, Murphy, Cotchin, Martin etc.
Not Deledio VS Judd, Martin VS Murphy, Cotchin VS Gibbs... lmao

Also - I don't want to see Morton tag anyone, his defensive skills are shite.

Gibbs has played a number of shut down roles on players like Goodes and Chapman. No reason why you wouldn't try and get one of your top-liners to go head to head with another and try and beat them. We don't see contests like Ablett vs Judd anymore, but second-stringers can have a fair shot at eachother

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I dont think he will be specifically targeted. just checked during the beginning of teh game wait for him to burn out half way through.

Shut down Judd shuts down carton pure and simple. Jacko will be on him with martin having a crack maybe second quarter

If only it were that simple.

Judd didn't play Round 1, 2010.

 

[delediofan3]

Jackson on Judd no doubt, got the athleticism and the toughness to shut down players, I think a couple seasons ago he was used as a tagger and he totally shut down Kerr and Judd until about the fourth quarter, maybe we should use Grigg as well.
Don't know what to do about Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer. We could use Grigg on Gibbs or Murphy because Gibbs got 45 disposals against the Eagles last year LMAO, but Murphy has a little bit more consistency.
We need to probably double-team Kreuzer when he goes forward and Betts and Yarran we should use Thursfield and Moore as Mcguane will be on Kreuzer when he goes forward

 

[captain blood 17]

Interesting theory that has, if I recall correctly, worked well before. However, leaving Judd by himself is frought with more danger than trying to limit his effect for mine. If we were to go head-on with him, we'd have to be prepared to get slaughtered by him, because if we moved whoever is tagging, say, Murphy, Judd, with his tail up, is likely to still be dominant and it would then free Murphy up.




I reckon Gibbs is more dangerous than Murphy. It's on our midfield to limit both Murphy and Gibbs: if our inside mids can feed our outside mids effectively, then Murphy, who is very dangerous but plays too forward of the ball, shouldn't have as big an influence as if their inside mids get on top. If Tuck, Jackson, Martin and co. can get the ball out to our outside players, then Murphy should struggle.

Then it's up to the outside mids and half backs to ensure that the ball isn't kicked in such a way that Gibbs can cut it off. Gibbs is bound to get his ~30 possessions, we've just got to make sure that they're all cheap short kicks to players still in D50. We must get our zone right for their kick-ins - they don't have a huge marking presence (unless Kreuzer is playing and has bulked up a little) as a get-out kick, so stopping or limiting all their options at their half back/wing is vital. If we do it effectively, Gibbs' influence should be minimal. But that still leaves Judd who, despite a lack of defensive game, is likely to overcome our best-laid plans and bring the rest of his dangerous mids into it.

We have never been able to do defensive zones ever!! But you're right, it's that inferred pressure we have to get right. Blues are good down hill skiers, once their tail gets up, they're hard to stop. Gibbs is a key to that. He starts line breaking, we're knackered (he can bring quicks like Armitage etc into the game). I rate him just as important to Carltons game plan as Judd.
The other reason i reckon we don't try to tag Judd and focus on Murphy is i don't rate our taggers that highly. If we're gonna try, i'd rather take out the lesser player for them, which will put more pressure on Judd.