Round 15 Teams

[fightingfury_88]

Round 15
St Kilda Titans v Gippsland Sharks
Launceston v Western Vultures
Gold Coast Devils v Geelong
Mozzie Bites v Dragon Island Southerners
Pakenham Packers v Port Adelaide
Melbourne v Brisbane Bears
Rottnest Razorbacks v Harbour City Hornets
Ballarat Dragons v Rivergum Redfins
Wagga Wagga Warthogs v Adelaide Lions

18+1+6 due 7:50 Friday

 

[fightingfury_88]

Ballarat Dragons
B: S.Wright - J.Roughead - L.Brown
HB: S.Docherty - J.Trengove - M.Broadbent
C: B.Jacobs - N.Gordon - T.Garner
HF: C.Wingard - S.Day - M.Wright
F: B.Kennedy - J.Cameron - J.Steele
R: B.Longer - J.Macrae - T.Mitchell
SUB: R.Lobb
INT: L.McDonald - M.Whiley - K.Langford - S.Kersten - T.Clurey - P.Wright

 

[sante]

Western Vultures vs Launceston

B: Heritier Lumumba - Alex Rance - Shane Savage
HB: Jake Batchelor - Marco Paparone - Ricky Henderson
C: Brent Stanton - Jack Steven - Pearce Hanley
HF: Michael Rischitelli - Levi Casboult - Lachie Neale
F: Mitch Hallahan - Jesse White - Aaron Vandenberg

1R: Kurt Tippett - Matt Priddis - Ben Cunnington

Sub: Kamdyn McIntosh

Bench: Zac Clarke - Simon White - Jack Redpath

IN: Levi Casboult - Jake Batchelor

OUT: Zac Clarke - Seb Ross

 

[Roy boys]

Mozzie Bites

B: Roberton - Scott D Thompson - Webster
HB: Ray - Wood - Bastinac
C: Viney - Ward - Crouch
HF: Douglas - Vince - Dunstan
F: Puopolo - Brown - Lloyd
R: Gawn - Boak - Treloar
S: Sheridan
I/C: Sutcliffe - Neade - Stretch

 

[sausageroll]

B: Nick Malceski, Joshua Gibson, Bachar Houli
HB: Daniel Rich, Michael Hurley, Heath Shaw
C: Andrew Gaff, Chris Masten, David Armitage
HF: Jack Ziebell, Tom T Lynch, Dayne Zorko
F: Mark LeCras, Taylor Walker, Brett Deledio
R: Patrick Ambrose, Tom Scully, Tom Bell
S: Zach Tuohy

Res: Trent McKenzie, Dylan Buckley, Jesse Lonergan, Tom Fields, Josh Glenn, Ben Lennon

In: Nil
Out: Nil

Others:
Tom Bellchambers
Blaine Boekhorst
John Butcher
Alipate Carlile
Mason Cox
Phil Davis
Tom Derickx

Kane Lucas
Jonathon Marsh
Conor McKenna
Nic Newman
Ricky Petterd
Jared Rivers
Kyle Hardingham
Luke Tapscott
Jack Trengove (LTI)

 

[GeeCat]

Geelong Football Club

B: Cameron Guthrie - Harry Taylor - Grant Birchall
HB: Michael Hibberd - Lachlan Henderson - Jackson Thurlow
C: Mitch Duncan - Jimmy Bartel - Luke Parker
HF: Josh Caddy - Lance Franklin - Jordan Murdoch
F: Steven Motlop - Tom Hawkins - Corey Gregson

R: Brodie Grundy - Patrick Dangerfield - Nat Fyfe

Sub: Martin Gleeson

Inter: Matthew Lobbe - Jed Bews - Mitch Golby - Josh Walker

 

[Danoz]

DRAGON ISLAND SOUTHERNERS
v MOZZIE BITES

B: Rhyce Shaw, Will Schofield, Jarrod Harbrow
HB: Travis Varcoe, Kyle Hartigan, Andrew Mackie
C: Patrick Cripps, Jack Crisp, Xavier Ellis
HF: Jason Tutt, Jack Riewoldt, Jarrad Grant
F: Brent Harvey, Tom Boyd, Shaun McKernan
R: Todd Goldstein, Dyson Heppell, Scott Thompson
S: Charlie Cameron

I: Alex Pearce, Jayden Laverde, Steven May, Jarryd Lyons, Andrew Moore, Sam Rowe

In: Sam Rowe, Jarryd Lyons, Andrew Moore
Out: Paul Duffield, Heath Hocking, Daniel McStay

Others: Paul Duffield, Heath Hocking, Daniel McStay, Courtenay Dempsey, Daniel McKenzie, Ed Vickers-Willis, Harry Marsh, Jared Petrenko, Jonathan Simpkin, Josh Hall, Josh Thomas, Patrick McGinnity, Sam Dwyer, Sam Siggins, Tom L Williams, Travis Colyer, Zac Dawson

 

[loopy_cam]

I'm away at the moment. Can I just have my Essendon and North players from last week and I'll name the rest tomorrow?

 

[knobby]

Harbour City Hornets

FB - J Geary - D Merrett - S Dempster
HB - K Kolodjashnij - N Haynes - A Mullett
C - L Montagna - B Ebert - James Kelly
HF - J Johanissen - J Gunston - C Daniel
FF - A Everitt - T Cloke - Z Merrett
R - A Sandilands - B Goddard - J Lewis

Sub - C Yarran

Int - B Maynard, D Talia, A Neal-Bullen, A Hall, J Kolodjashnij, P Stewart

In: D Merrett, J Kolodjashnij
Out: M Pyke, S Edwards

 

[Woefully Inept]

B: Mark Baguley - Ted Richards - Michael Firrito
HB: Justin Clarke - Jack Frost - Sam Mayes
C: Sam Gibson - Marcus Bontempelli - Kieran Jack
HF: Cyril Rioli - Dylan Grimes - James Aish
F: Brandon Jack - Karl Amon - Jed Adcock
R/R: Shaun Hampson - Trent Cotchin - David Mundy

SUB: Josh Prudden

INT: Eli Templeton - Matt Dea - Steven Morris

 

[Presti_is_god]

B: M.Williams - A.Toovey - D.Rampe
HB: P.Seedsman - H.Grundy - R.Atkins
C: S.Hill - D.Lang - M.Hutchings
HF: M.McDonough - J.Jenkins - J.Sicily
F: P.McCartin - J.Stringer
R: J.Griffin - M.Wallis - S.Sidebottom

 

[ShaunDuggan]

B: N.Smith - J.McGovern - J.Howe
HB: L.Picken - B.Lake - S.Grigg
C: D.Cross - S.Pendlebury - D.Hannebury
HF: J.Watts - C.Dawes - L.Dalhaus
F: J.Hogan - M.Kruezer - J.Darling
R: M.Leuenburger - D.Tyson - N.DalSanto
Sub: J.Gartlett

Int: T.Menzel, N.Jetta, B.Shephard B.Stratton

 

[Russian]

B: E.Langdon, Hombsch, Oxley |R|
HB: Harwood, Ibbotson, B.Smith
C: Jack Redden, Shiels, I.Smith
HF: Knight, T.J.Lynch, Kennedy-Harris
F: Burgoyne, S.Johnson, M.Robinson
R: Nicholls, D.Martin, M.Murphy
S: Z.Smith
I: R.Thompson, C.Newman, O'Shea, Ashby

In: Langdon, Harwood, M.Robinson
Out: Newman, D.Robinson, Membrey

 

[Marklar_33]

LAUNCESTON
Suban McPharlin Hurn
B.Ellis Fisher Hartlett
Weller Kennedy Rosa
Coniglio Ryder B.Martin
Taylor Pavlich Goodes
Jacobs Ablett Boyd

Lonergan

Russell Chaplin Lemmens Corr Adams Schneider

Apeness Cavka Close C.Ellis
Foley Hrovat Main Menadue
O'Brien Pittonet Shenton Spencer Stanley Stewart
J.Tippett Viojo-Rainbow White Wright

 

[Gee Dub]

WAGGA
B: Atley Morris Steinberg
HB: Hampton Tomlinson Williams
C: Jetta Rockliff Hartung
HF: Breust Waite Hunt
F: Bruce McCarthy Bird
RUCK: Witts Swan Wines
SUB: Lambert
INT: Nankervis AhChee Dale Taberner

 

[Roylion]

Adelaide Lions Round 15

B: Sam B Reid, Lynden Dunn, Jake Lever,
HB: Harris Andrews, Ryan Schoenmakers, Jarryd Blair
C: Nick Robertson, Rhys Palmer, Harry Cunningham
HF: Sharrod Wellingham, Aaron Black, Shaun Edwards
F: Josh Hill, Joe Daniher, Angus Monfries
R: Ivan Maric, Angus Brayshaw, Josh Kelly
S: Zak Jones
I: Tom Campbell,

In: Josh Kelly, Aaron Black, Shaun Edwards, Zak Jones
Out: Robin Nahas, Jake Carlisle, Andrew Walker, Rohan Bewick,

Others: Andrew Walker, Jake Carlisle, Danny Stanley, Jimmy Toumpas, Robin Nahas, Harley Bennell, Josh Clayton, Tom Barrass, Tom Campbell, Aaron Black, Jayden Foster, Brady Grey, Jayden Hunt, Zak Jones, Chris Knights (inj), Lachlan Plowman, Sam Russell, Ben Sinclair, James Toohey (ret.) Trent West , Brendan Whitecross, Cameron Pederson (inj), Xavier Richards,

 

[Danoz]

Not unhappy with my start to the round, though who'd've thought Goldy and Harvey would out score Heppell and mckernan by 200 points!

 

[fightingfury_88]

Still waiting on loopy_cam Jack Richards peterss

 

[Marklar_33]

Might have you this time sante, but we will doubtless meet again soon! And I don't expect you'll get many more shockers from Hanley & Lumumba!

 

[sante]

Might have you this time sante, but we will doubtless meet again soon! And I don't expect you'll get many more shockers from Hanley & Lumumba!

****ing Ablett

 

[loopy_cam]

Still waiting on loopy_cam Jack Richards peterss

Yeah sorry guys. Had a hectic weekend.

 

[Marklar_33]

******* Ablett

17 tackles!

 

[Russian]

B: T.Langdon, T.McDonald, Laird
HB: Hodge, Hooker, McVeigh
C: Griffen, R.Gray, J.Sinclair
HF: Lonie, Tarrant, Fasolo
F: Ballantyne, Spangher, Armfield
R: To.Downie, A.Miles, S.Mitchell
S: N.Brown
I: McInnes, Turner, Hiscox, D.Moore

B: Miller, Enright, Suckling
HB: Newnes, MacMillan, De Boer
C: De Goey, A.Swallow, B.Hill
HF: Christensen, J.J.Kennedy, Curnow
F: Stokes, R.Murphy, Higgins
R: Gilbert, Greene, N.Jones
S: Ellis-Yolmen
I: Impey, Holman, Hunter

B: Laidler, Jamison, Stevens
HB: Yeo, Spurr, Sheed
C: Mackay, Howlett, Carrazzo
HF: J.Cripps, Naitanui, Walters
F: Mayne, J.Schulz, Betts
R: Blicavs, Shuey, D.Smith
S: C.Sinclair
I: S.Selwood, Vlastuin, Minson

Sorry knobby

 

[Russian]

St Kilda Titans (1537) v Gippsland Sharks (1317)
Luke Dahlhaus - 132
Jeremy Howe - 119
Daniel Cross - 115
Jesse Hogan - 109
Shaun Grigg - 103
Scott Pendlebury - 102
Liam Picken - 101
Nick Dal Santo (v) - 96
Daniel Hannebery - 90
Matthew Kreuzer - 81
Chris Dawes - 76
Dom Tyson - 76
Nick Smith - 68
Brian Lake - 62
Matthew Leuenberger - 55
Jack Watts - 52
Jack Darling - 43
Jeremy McGovern - 40
Jeff Garlett - 17 (for 25%)
Reserves
Jarryd Roughead - 99
Brad Sheppard - 65
Neville Jetta - 64
Stewart Crameri - 53
Troy Menzel - 41
Matthew Buntine - 38
Hugh Goddard - 37
Ben Stratton - 23

Cyril Rioli - 121
David Mundy - 120
Marcus Bontempelli - 98
Kieren Jack (v) - 94
Mark Baguley - 88
Trent Cotchin - 83
Brandon Jack - 73
Michael Firrito - 72
Dylan Grimes - 71
Jed Adcock - 69
Shaun Hampson - 68
Sam Mayes - 67
Justin Clarke - 59
Jack Frost - 59
James Aish - 54
Eli Templeton - 50 (for Amon)
Sam Gibson - 45
Ted Richards - 26
No Reserves

Launceston (1689) v Western Vultures (1301)
Gary Ablett (v) - 176
Sam Jacobs - 120
Hamish Hartlett - 108
Josh P Kennedy - 108
Maverick Weller - 105
Adam Goodes - 103
Lewis Taylor - 100
Stephen Coniglio - 96
Brandon Ellis - 94
Shannon Hurn - 91
Patrick Ryder - 91
Brodie Martin - 86
Matthew Pavlich (v) - 80
Matt Rosa - 79
Sam Fisher - 69
Luke McPharlin - 68
Nick Suban - 66
Matthew Boyd (v) - 49
Reserves
Troy Chaplin - 65
Aidan Corr |R| - 64
Tom Lonergan - 52

Brent Stanton (v) - 122
Marco Paparone - 110
Lachie Neale - 105
Jack Steven - 101
Shane Savage - 96
Ben Cunnington - 89
Aaron Vandenberg - 87
Michael Rischitelli - 85
Matt Priddis (v) - 82
Ricky Henderson - 75
Alex Rance - 57
Mitch Hallahan - 54
Jake Batchelor - 51
Kurt Tippett - 50
Jesse White - 42
Levi Casboult - 30
Heritier Lumumba - 18
Pearce Hanley - 31
Kamdyn McIntosh - 16 (for 25%)
Reserves
Jack Redpath |R| - 84
Simon White - 71

Gold Coast Devils (1763) v Geelong (1498)
Heath Shaw - 125
Dayne Zorko - 124
Tom Bell - 121
Brett Deledio (v) - 118
Andrew Gaff - 114
Jack Ziebell - 113
David Armitage - 110
Chris Masten - 101
Mark LeCras (v) - 99
Michael Hurley - 98
Nick Malceski (v) - 93
Tom Scully - 92
Taylor Walker - 90
Joshua Gibson (v) - 88
Tom T Lynch - 88
Bachar Houli - 84
Daniel Rich - 60
Patrick Ambrose - 45
Reserves
Dylan Buckley - 93
Zach Tuohy - 76
Trent McKenzie - 70
Jesse Lonergan - 56
Ben Lennon - 50
Tom Fields |R| - 37
Josh Glenn - 35

Josh Caddy - 145
Steven Motlop - 139
Jimmy Bartel (v) - 122
Grant Birchall - 101
Mitch Duncan - 94
Patrick Dangerfield - 90
Brodie Grundy - 89
Luke Parker - 86
Nathan Fyfe - 76
Tom Hawkins - 72
Lance Franklin (v) - 71
Harry Taylor - 69
Michael Hibberd - 66
Jordan Murdoch - 66
Cameron Guthrie - 62
Cory Gregson - 51
Jackson Thurlow - 51
Lachlan Henderson - 48
Reserves
Matthew Lobbe - 88
Josh Walker - 88
Martin Gleeson - 61
Jed Bews - 58

Mozzie Bites (1388) v Dragon Island Southerners (1505)
Callan Ward - 138
Travis Boak - 128
Luke Dunstan - 111
Richard Douglas - 97
Dylan Roberton - 89
Matt Crouch - 82
Jack Viney - 82
Adam Treloar - 78
Bernie Vince - 78
Paul Puopolo - 73
Farren Ray - 69
Ben Brown - 68
Ryan Bastinac - 67
Jake Lloyd - 59
Easton Wood - 58
Billy Stretch - 47 (for Gawn)
Scott D Thompson - 39
Jimmy Webster - 25
Reserves
Thomas Sheridan - 67
Cameron Sutcliffe - 57
Jake Neade - 45
Aaron Young - 45

Todd Goldstein - 175
Brent Harvey (v) - 129
Scott Thompson - 126
Jack Crisp - 112
Rhyce Shaw - 98
Andrew Mackie - 95
Travis Varcoe - 85
Jack Riewoldt - 83
Jason Tutt - 82
Tom Boyd - 75
Jarrod Harbrow - 75
Patrick Cripps - 68
Xavier Ellis - 59
Dyson Heppell - 58
Jarrad Grant - 55
Shaun McKernan - 49
Will Schofield - 43
Kyle Hartigan - 38
Reserves
Sam Rowe - 71
Charlie Cameron - 66
Steven May - 60
Alex Pearce - 47
Jayden Laverde - 43
Daniel McStay - 27

Pakenham Packers (1294) v Port Adelaide (1356)
Luke Hodge - 133
Cale Hooker - 104
Robert Gray - 101
Jarrad McVeigh - 99
Stefan Martin - 90
Ryan Griffen - 85
Anthony Miles - 85
Rory Laird - 77
Tom Langdon - 77
Sam Mitchell - 77
Tom McDonald - 74
Alex Fasolo - 72
Kayne Turner - 60
Tom Downie - 58
Matthew Spangher - 36
Jack Lonie - 20
Hayden Ballantyne - 17
Jack Sinclair - 18
Bradley Walsh - 11 (for 100%)
Reserves
Nathan J Brown - 52
Robbie Tarrant - 40

Adam Oxley |R| - 110
Marc Murphy - 106
Jack Redden - 105
Dustin Martin - 98
Isaac Smith - 92
Mitch Robinson - 90
Liam Shiels - 81
Garrick Ibbotson - 76
Tom J Lynch - 73
Jack Hombsch - 66
Ryan Harwood - 64
Steve Johnson (v) - 64
Cameron O'Shea - 63 (for Langdon)
Shaun Burgoyne - 58
Riley Knight - 48
Brodie Smith - 46
Jay Kennedy-Harris - 17
Tom Nicholls - 17
Zac Smith - 82 (for 75%)
Reserves
Chris Newman - 60
Jason Ashby - 42
Rory Thompson - 36

Melbourne (1162) v Brisbane Bears (1099)
Ben McEvoy - 116
Nick Riewoldt (v) - 89
Danyle Pearce - 87
David Zaharakis - 87
Tory Dickson - 83
Michael Barlow (v) - 81
Dayne Beams - 77
Justin Westhoff - 77
Kade Simpson - 75
James Gwilt - 67
Lachie Whitfield - 66
Brent Staker - 56 (for Browne)
Brandon Matera - 48
David Hale - 46
Matt Shaw - 40
Jackson Merrett - 36
Colin Garland - 31
nobody (for Shiel)
Reserves
Levi Greenwood - 78
Nathan Krakouer - 48

Steele Sidebottom - 128
Marley Williams - 119
Stephen Hill - 116
Mitch Wallis - 88
Jake Stringer - 78
Paul Seedsman - 76
Dane Rampe - 68
Heath Grundy - 67
Josh Jenkins - 62
Alan Toovey - 60
Jonathon Griffin - 59
Darcy Lang - 46
Patrick McCartin - 43
Matthew McDonough - 35
Mark Hutchings - 34
Rory Atkins - 20
nobody (for Sicily)
Reserves
James Harmes - 46

Rottnest Razorbacks (1451) v Harbour City Hornets (1450)
Chris Mayne - 128
Devon Smith - 124
Mark Blicavs - 123
Jamie Cripps - 110
Lee Spurr - 105
Nic Naitanui - 102
Michael Walters - 90
Nick Vlastuin - 85
Dom Sheed - 77
Elliot Yeo - 77
Andrew Carrazzo - 68
Michael Jamison (v) - 60
Luke Shuey - 60
Eddie Betts - 54
Ben Howlett - 54
Jay Schulz - 51
David MacKay - 48
Scott Selwood - 35
Reserves
Callum Sinclair - 87
Hayden Crozier - 25

James Kelly - 121
Brendon Goddard - 116
Jack Gunston - 110
Aaron Sandilands (v) - 102
Jordan Lewis - 98
Leigh Montagna - 98
Brad Ebert - 97
Jason Johannisen - 82
Zach Merrett - 81
Jarryn Geary - 77
Kade Kolodjashnij - 70
Caleb Daniel - 65
Sean Dempster - 62
Nick Haynes - 62
Andrejs Everitt - 61
Daniel Merrett - 35
Aaron Mullett - 23
Travis Cloke - 0
Chris Yarran - 90 (for 75%)
Reserves
Mark Jamar (v) - 100
Aaron Hall - 57
Paul Stewart - 54
Jake Kolodjashnij - 53
Brayden Maynard - 43
Alex Neal-Bullen - 19

Ballarat Dragons (1220) v Rivergum Redfins (1437)
Chad Wingard - 112
Jackson Macrae - 105
Sam Docherty - 98
Tom Mitchell - 87
Jack Steele - 81
Ben Jacobs - 80
Matthew Broadbent - 78
Jeremy Cameron - 71
Billy Longer - 67
Ben Kennedy - 65
Matthew Wright - 64
Jordan Roughead - 54
Sam Day - 50
Luke Brown - 45
Sam Wright - 36
Taylor Garner - 34
Jackson Trengove - 30
Nathan Gordon - 9
Rory Lobb - 54 (for 75%)
Reserves
Alex Sexton ® - 70
Shane Kersten - 55
Tom Clurey - 45
Peter Wright - 33
Kyle Langford - 19

Ed Curnow - 136
Allen Christensen - 117
Touk Miller - 111
Corey Enright (v) - 97
Sam Gilbert - 94
Toby Greene - 92
Andrew Swallow - 91
Josh J Kennedy (v) - 75
Matthew Suckling - 72
Jack Newnes - 71
Nathan Jones - 70
Robert Murphy (v) - 69
Jordan De Goey - 67
Shaun Higgins - 60
Jarman Impey - 57
Matthew DeBoer - 55
Jamie MacMillan - 43
Mathew Stokes - 26
Lachlan Hunter - 34 (for 100%)
Reserves
Nick Holman - 64

Wagga Wagga Warthogs (1146) v Adelaide Lions (1101)
Tom Rockliff - 111
Dane Swan - 91
Shaun Atley - 85
Jarrad Waite - 78
Adam Tomlinson - 76
Zachary Williams - 74
Oliver Wines - 73
Lewis Jetta - 71
Luke Breust - 68
Dale Morris - 64
Taylor Hunt - 63
Matthew Taberner - 54 (for Steinberg - still on rookie list)
Jarrod Witts - 51
Josh Bruce - 48
Billy Hartung - 26
Curtly Hampton - 22
Cameron McCarthy - 22
Craig Bird - 20
Kane Lambert - 49 (for 75%)
Reserves
Ariel Steinberg ® - 63
Toby Nankervis - 59
Bailey Dale - 26
Brendon Ah Chee - 18

Josh Kelly - 94
Angus Monfries - 92
Harris Andrews - 83
Harry Cunningham - 68
Lynden Dunn - 64
Nick Robertson - 64
Josh Hill - 62
Sharrod Wellingham - 62
Rhys Palmer - 61
Angus Brayshaw - 60
Joe Daniher - 57
Sam B Reid - 56
Jarryd Blair - 53
Ivan Maric - 53
Ryan Schoenmakers - 53
Shaun Edwards - 47
Aaron Black - 42
Jake Lever - 30
Reserves
Tom Campbell - 85
Zak Jones - 30

Ladder

|P|W|L|D|F|PP|Pts
\Gold Coast Devils|15|14|1|0|23284|0|56
\Launceston|15|12|2|1|21874|0|50
\Western Vultures|15|12|3|0|21516|0|48
\Harbour City Hornets|15|11|4|0|21514|0|44
\Port Adelaide|15|10|5|0|20126|0|40
\Geelong|15|9|6|0|22023|0|36

|P|W|L|D|F|PP|Pts
\St Kilda Titans|15|7|7|1|20762|0|30
\Pakenham Packers|15|9|6|0|20196|6|30

|P|W|L|D|F|PP|Pts
\Mozzie Bites|15|6|9|0|20584|0|24
\Melbourne|15|7|8|0|20031|4|24
\Dragon Island Southerners|15|6|9|0|19686|0|24
\Gippsland Sharks|15|6|9|0|19007|1|23

|P|W|L|D|F|PP|Pts
\Rivergum Redfins|15|8|7|0|21403|12|20
\Rottnest Razorbacks|15|7|8|0|20060|10|18
\Brisbane Bears|15|3|12|0|16059|2|10
\Ballarat Dragons|15|2|13|0|18441|0|8
\Wagga Wagga Warthogs|15|3|12|0|17173|4|8
\Adelaide Lions|15|2|13|0|16700|5|3

 

[knobby]

not that it makes much difference after round 17 but Cloke was subbed within the first 5 minutes, shouldnt there be a case for 100% for my sub ??

First time this year Yarran has pulled his f*&@n finger out anyway