Autopsy Round 23 = Adelaide 59-56 Collingwood

[DinoSoar]

If your intent is to come in here and troll, think again as it won’t end well for you.

Anzacday Maggie5 Gone Critical

 

[Finnishpie]

For all the talk of Cox and the MMMs, what really we need is a fit and firing Bobby Hill.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TradeDraft]

Umps missed late free kick to Dawson in Pies loss: AFL

Crows skipper should have been paid a free kick for high contact in the dying stages of Sunday's loss to the Magpies

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They missed so many for us after Qtr Time

 

[BillyElliott]

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I thought I was watching Rugby.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Fly's presser

Can you help us with the numbers or do we ignore it because of the way in which it was just so difficult for you to score when you've got that dominance inside 50?

"There's a wing territory, difficult to move the ball in [those] conditions. Set the ground up really well behind it and then when you go back in there's high density, so that's real. We've had that against Freo too. Dominant in inside 50s and then can't connect or don't score. The reality of that style of game is Leigh Matthews' old way, he'd say 'it's going to be hard for us to score, but make it impossible for them [to score]' and we lived that for most of the night. The inside 50 number says that. We got some work to do on our connection inside 50, but again it's hard. It's wet conditions, trying to kick it to contest and then try to get to forward 50 stoppages. I think we had 39 forward 50 stoppages and kicked three points, so you got to find other ways to score. That's the numbers, but we sit here, we didn't get the four points but internally we know we're headed in the right direction".

Is the effort and the way you started an encouraging sign for you after the past few weeks of poor results?

"Yeah, I think so. I think put the jumper on this week, there's a lot more pride in the way we went about it. Small margins, little moments. Fighting right to the end when the scoreboard sort of got away from us a couple of times, and then we found a way to get the scoreboard back closer. Internal belief that that game was there for us to win and numbers were suggesting that we were dominant in clearance and all these other things. We didn't quite get the four points, but again we leave here not with our tail between our legs".

Did you feel like you should have been further ahead at quarter time?

"No, I thought that was about the right margin. The kick on the siren helped. I thought we had dominance and the game was a bit different when it wasn't wet. We could move the ball, change the angles, you could mark the ball a bit easier. We started well. We needed to though, we needed to. We worked all week. I was really proud of our coaches [of] putting some things in front of the players [because] it wasn't good enough for us around our system and around our effort. It was really pleasing we can turn it around. Have we got more work to do? Absolutely, but again I think we're heading in the right direction".

From the outside, we've all been wondering where you're at because of those losses or whether you were preparing for something else later in the year. On the inside, what has been the reality of your form line?

"I thought we were playing some really good footy and just not quite getting the job done. Gold Coast, we kicked 10 points before we kicked a goal. Fremantle, we dominate a lot of the play, we're 20 odd points up and lose by a point. Bounced back against Richmond and then we have a good half against Brisbane and a poor quarter and a half and then we had a really bad game against Hawthorn [who are] a good opposition who make most teams look silly if you don't turn up. We had to bounce back this week and I think we turned the narrative around internally, again that we think that stuff will stack up. There's an energy for that it will stack up".

I think you also played three games in 11 days and then you get a proper 9-day rest. Do you almost throw that out and go tonight 'this is the Collingwood we should expect to show up'?

"Well, I was hoping someone...I don't want to make excuses, but we do the maths. Three games in 12 days. There's going to be a cost somewhere and our performance was well below par, and we don't want to use excuses. When you have more time to prepare, we like to think we can get the type of performance we had tonight, but that's not always going to be the case. We got to turn up. We got 6 days now to get ourselves ready to play Melbourne and control our own narrative".

If the ladder stays as it is despite its various complexities, you'll be back here for week 1 of the finals. Do you feel comfortable about coming back here?

"That'll be good huh? There's an energy that we're good enough. Doesn't matter who we play [and] where we play. There's an energy for that when we play a certain way. Our pressure was enormous tonight. We had 20 odd more tackles. Our clearance stuff improved, we worked on that. You had to get that right. Got more territory from that and then there's always something to work on. You're always getting feedback on your game and our connection inside 50 in tricky conditions. I think we got some things that we can improve. I was just saying in the rooms, when you have a close loss you think about moments and go 'ah, if only that didn't happen' or 'if we did that'. I don't have many of those. I'm not sure if you do, but I'm sitting here going 'we gave everything right to the end' and they were just a fraction better in moments. I don't have any what ifs or if only's though. I'm not thinking that".

You've spoken a couple of times about "system". Years ago when we'd ask about those close wins you'd say "we believe in the system, they know the system and how to play it". Are they needing to still believe in that system or is the system needing to change because everyone else has caught up with what you were doing?

"No, I think the game is you've never got that handled. There's no way you can say 'oh, you're going to get this happen all the time', but again we went into certain modes of transport there with the ball and we scored late in the game when we had to keep us close. Then at the end, there's again small margins. Lots of density around the ball. It was a hard game. It was a finals type game, but I think it will serve both teams well and credit to them I think they're minor premiers now. Congratulations. They had a fantastic year. Matty Nicks has done a great job. Big fan from afar of Matty Nicks and the job he's done here to build this team. It's a huge achievement for the Adelaide Crows and it puts them in a good place".

What is it about this match up that keeps producing these close results?

"It's our first loss here for a while. I think there's really quality matchups and styles that challenge each other. We want to keep the game open at times and then close it down, and they want to do a bit of the same. It was a real tactical battle tonight. I think both teams were prepared to have an extra at times, which made it hard to score but that was sort of serving us well in terms of territory. Not sure if that will be the case in the future".

You're used to having the crowd lift you over the line. Do you feel that sometimes given how one sided the support because you only had a few thousand travelling fans, do you feel that it gave Adelaide a lift?

"I think it always helps doesn't it? You get the crowd roaring for you or roaring against you. Whether the umpires sort of get affected by that, that's real. I don't think it affected the game, any of that. I don't. There's a period in the second quarter we knew that they would come. Watching them historically in the last period, they have patches of 'bang, bang, bang, bang' and they mostly put a margin on the opposition. We were determined not to have that tonight so they got two or three goals in a row. We felt we stabilised the game for about 15 minutes. No one scored and I think that was an important part of the game going into half time just a fraction down because 54,000 screaming for you creates a lot of energy. We thought we played that game well tactically".

You say there wasn't that "what if" moment you usually get in a close game. Are you leaving though with this idea of if you get this chance again as you might in a few weeks, would you like to do a couple of things differently? Do you already have that in mind?

"Yeah, the connection piece is one. Have that many inside 50s, you'd love to score more. The forward 50 stuff, you'd love to think that 39 [forward 50 stoppages] surely you kick a goal. Surely there's a free kick or there's someone hanging on like Rankine did. Those things happen when you have that much territory. I'll watch the tape to add a couple more. If we're back here, I don't want to give them everything we got to work on".

What about personnel wise? Howe probably coming back next week?

"We're pretty healthy at the moment. No injuries in the VFL and no injuries here at this stage. Howie should be available through protocols. Bobby's getting better every day [but] not sure he'll be available next week. It's pleasing to have him back this week training hard for us and we might strengthen up a little bit especially with someone like Howie [being] available".

Did Bobby Hill join the group?

"No, he didn't come over".

There was a story going around that Hill flew over to Adelaide?

"Yeah, there was no expectation around that. No".

'We didn't quite get the four points but we leave here not with our tail between our legs': McRae

Watch Collingwood’s press conference after round 23’s match against Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

 

[sr36]

Umps missed late free kick to Dawson in Pies loss: AFL

Crows skipper should have been paid a free kick for high contact in the dying stages of Sunday's loss to the Magpies

www.afl.com.au

What about this one. Unbeliveable non-free. Then unbelievably the umpire forgets about the blood rule and restarts the game with Murphy covered in blood and in the hands of doctors. Then deliberate for making sure the play doesn't take out the injured player and the medical staff.

Murphy flattened, De Goey pinged for deliberate

Collingwood players fume at the non free kick awarded after this hit on Nathan Murphy, before Jordan de Goey is pinged for a contentious deliberate call

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[larrikan]

Umps missed late free kick to Dawson in Pies loss: AFL

Crows skipper should have been paid a free kick for high contact in the dying stages of Sunday's loss to the Magpies

www.afl.com.au

And umps missed the throw crows including two goals from throwing the ball to a teammate rugby style.
And umpires missed recalling boundary throw in to ruckmans feet resulting in a throwcrows goal
And the umps missed time wasting frees against the crows twice in the last three minutes

And the umpires missed intentional out of bounds by Adelaide player and said it was Sidebottom

And the umpires missed any free kick for Collingwood tackles in Pies forward line including a Mihocek decapitation

And the umpires missed Rankines flopping

Throwcrows were blessed tonight.

Anything else you want to highlight?

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Fly's presser

Can you help us with the numbers or do we ignore it because of the way in which it was just so difficult for you to score when you've got that dominance inside 50?


Is the effort and the way you started an encouraging sign for you after the past few weeks of poor results?


Did you feel like you should have been further ahead at quarter time?


From the outside, we've all been wondering where you're at because of those losses or whether you were preparing for something else later in the year. On the inside, what has been the reality of your form line?


I think you also played three games in 11 days and then you get a proper 9-day rest. Do you almost throw that out and go tonight 'this is the Collingwood we should expect to show up'?


If the ladder stays as it is despite its various complexities, you'll be back here for week 1 of the finals. Do you feel comfortable about coming back here?


You've spoken a couple of times about "system". Years ago when we'd ask about those close wins you'd say "we believe in the system, they know the system and how to play it". Are they needing to still believe in that system or is the system needing to change because everyone else has caught up with what you were doing?


What is it about this match up that keeps producing these close results?


You're used to having the crowd lift you over the line. Do you feel that sometimes given how one sided the support because you only had a few thousand travelling fans, do you feel that it gave Adelaide a lift?


You say there wasn't that "what if" moment you usually get in a close game. Are you leaving though with this idea of if you get this chance again as you might in a few weeks, would you like to do a couple of things differently? Do you already have that in mind?


What about personnel wise? Howe probably coming back next week?


Did Bobby Hill join the group?


There was a story going around that Hill flew over to Adelaide?

'We didn't quite get the four points but we leave here not with our tail between our legs': McRae

Watch Collingwood’s press conference after round 23’s match against Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

So if Hill doesn't play next week, and he isn't playing VFL, that means we don't see him again.
How can you possibly play any AFL game and perform without any base of match conditioning..
As l mentioned previously, l think there's a fair bit going on behind the scenes with Bobby, and his playing future ...

 

[sr36]

And umps missed the throw crows including two goals from throwing the ball to a teammate rugby style.
And umpires missed recalling boundary throw in to ruckmans feet resulting in a throwcrows goal
And the umps missed time wasting frees against the crows twice in the last three minutes

And the umpires missed intentional out of bounds by Adelaide player and said it was Sidebottom

And the umpires missed any free kick for Collingwood tackles in Pies forward line including a Mihocek decapitation

And the umpires missed Rankines flopping

Throwcrows were blessed tonight.

Anything else you want to highlight?

It's the beauty of the home crowd - that's the real home ground advantage. The crowd made a lot of the decisions tonight. The Rankine one sums it up - the umpire who was close enough to see that Rankine was staging called play on - the bloke 70 metres away hears the crowd scream and sees Rankine pretending he's being held and blows the whistle.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Yeah, but then again, you can’t really have a game plan when you’re kicking the ball forward to a thousand and one players packed in like Roman legions.

Looks like our current game plan is taken from the AFLW. Get ball, and just long bomb it inside F50 in hope!!

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

So if Hill doesn't play next week, and he isn't playing VFL, that means we don't see him again.
How can you possibly play any AFL game and perform without any base of match conditioning..
As l mentioned previously, l think there's a fair bit going on behind the scenes with Bobby, and his playing future ...

Agree. If he’s training well, then why didn’t he play VFL today?

Just too many uncertainties for me to be confident that he features in September.

 

[No SPIN]

He is dumb as all **** tactically. Just keep blazing away to the out number. 71 inside 50s let’s not change it up. FMD

Rubbish - he’s turned our form around in a week against the Top team. Fixing fwd connections is the only issue.
Defence/Mids now in good shape is a massive plus and fantastic foundation for finals.

 

[Bramax]

I respect anybody's views and opinions, even yours No Spin. If you want to take tonight's performance and spin it into a reason why we will be better next time then you will never be critical of the present. Must be bliss to live in a world where the current reality holds no meaning or relevance. We were pretty good tonight without putting the score on the board but I would ask you to go and watch this game and then tell me if you truly think the way we were kicking that ball inside 50 was ever going to win us the game. Any robot can bomb the ball inside fifty 71 times for 8 goals reward, our system was beyond broken.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
Tonight wasn’t perfect clearly but it’s a massive improvement on the last few games.
We lost by 3 pts to top of the table Adelaide on their home patch where they’ve been untouchable all year.
I’m proud of the Pies tonight because everyone thought we’d get flogged - including most on this board.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Agree. If he’s training well, then why didn’t he play VFL today?

Just too many uncertainties for me to be confident that he features in September.

I can't see him even playing. It's like the club doesn't want to play him.
It's becoming more bizarre as each week passes...

 

[No SPIN]

I respect anybody's views and opinions, even yours No Spin. If you want to take tonight's performance and spin it into a reason why we will be better next time then you will never be critical of the present. Must be bliss to live in a world where the current reality holds no meaning or relevance. We were pretty good tonight without putting the score on the board but I would ask you to go and watch this game and then tell me if you truly think the way we were kicking that ball inside 50 was ever going to win us the game. Any robot can bomb the ball inside fifty 71 times for 8 goals reward, our system was beyond broken.

Great - so you acknowledge the improvement - of course we need betterinside 50 connection. But do you think Nicks is sleeping easy tonight knowing how much territory they conceded by allowing us 34 more I50’s.
Do you think he’s comfortable that he wins the next meeting with that stat?

 

[No SPIN]

Perspective? We haven't beaten a top 8 team since May. Our last 4 games decided by a goal or less - all losses.

Perspective - which team in the Top 8 does NOT think Pies are a threat again after tonight’s performance.?

 

[J Albert]

Can someone explain to me how we can finish 4th or are we cooked?

 

[Chronz]

Can someone explain to me how we can finish 4th or are we cooked?

Smash the Dees by as much as possible and pray GC don't catch up in %.

 

[Crypt Keeper]

The problem with finishing outside the Top 4 is that it likely results in an Elimination final vs the three teams who historically seemingly always have our measure more often than not: Hawks, Dogs, Giants. Gross.

 

[Anzacday]

Please stop quoting Hobbes he cannot respond.

 

[No SPIN]

They were coming off a 6 day break, we were coming off a 9 day break.

We threw our best at them and still came up short. Adelaide know this and would be supremely confident in any rematch in a few weeks time and would destroy us.

Confident ? - they got smashed in the territory game conceding 34 more I50, and held to just 59 points.
Nicks would not be happy.

 

[No SPIN]

How many more players are we going to allow to derail our season with their personal issues?

To paraphrase Mick - stars get more latitude

 

[No SPIN]

GC say Hi!!! They have 8 points and about 10% against Port and Essendon

They will need to win by a combined margin over 2 games of around 180 points to gain 10%

 

[No SPIN]

we've lost 4 games by a total of 13 points - the footy Gods are paying us back

Bookmark it - luck changes, they’ll pay us back in September.

 

[lethalburns]

Not much discussion about Will Parker.

I thought his game was solid for a young kid who hasn't played AFL in a while.

I really liked the aggressive kick he went for in the 3rd(?). He took it upon himself to try something different after a long sequence of wasted entries.