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Group of death usually means the 4th team has almost no realistic chance of winning thru to the knockout phase, even though they will be highly competitive in every game could draw all 3 games and the 3rd team will be very stiff to not advance. To me that was Australia in Brazil, ie lost to Chile 1-3 but could and should have got a 2-2 draw, lost to Netherlands 2-3 and should have got a 2-2 draw and lost to defending champs Spain 0-3 and played a good first half but poor second half. So they left Brazil with 0 points and a 3-9 goal difference.

If it means everyone has a chance of making it thru to the knock out phase, because everyone is even then the Poland (6) Colombia (13) Senegal (32) and Japan (44) group is closer to that than the media dubbed group of death Germany (1) Mexico (16) Sweden (25) and South Korea (62).
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Group of death usually means the 4th team has almost no realistic chance of winning thru to the knockout phase, even though they will be highly competitive in every game could draw all 3 games and the 3rd team will be very stiff to not advance. To me that was Australia in Brazil, ie lost to Chile 1-3 but could and should have got a 2-2 draw, lost to Netherlands 2-3 and should have got a 2-2 draw and lost to defending champs Spain 0-3 and played a good first half but poor second half. So they left Brazil with 0 points and a 3-9 goal difference.

If it means everyone has a chance of making it thru to the knock out phase, because everyone is even then the Poland (6) Colombia (13) Senegal (32) and Japan (44) group is closer to that than the media dubbed group of death Germany (1) Mexico (16) Sweden (25) and South Korea (62).
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Groups E and F look like the strongest groups, but with Brazil and Germany in them, it is hard to call any a "Group of Death." According to ELO ratings, Groups A and H would be the most balanced, but H is stronger.

P.S.: Groups of Death would be C and H. Group A is the "Group of Life".

¡Vamo', Celeste! :-)
 
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An upset Tim Ginever storms off after one too many mentions of his chin...

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DO NOT LIKE YOUR AVATAR!

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I thought you were a Cardiff supporter o_O Anyway, although Grimsby has a likeable logo, they won't be playing against Scampaignerhorpe much while they're languishing down in Division 2 :p
 
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I thought you were a Cardiff supporter o_O Anyway, although Grimsby has a likeable logo, they won't be playing against Scampaignerhorpe much while they're languishing down in Division 2 :p
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Liked for Scampaignerhorpe.
 
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I thought you were a Cardiff supporter o_O Anyway, although Grimsby has a likeable logo, they won't be playing against Scampaignerhorpe much while they're languishing down in Division 2 :p
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I am Cardiff, lived in North Lincolnshire for a while though :).

Grimsby are a more succesful club over the years. They will play each other in a year or two. Both teams are dungeon dwellers.

I've told this story here before, but in the early years of emails Scunny council couldn't work out why they couldn't send any and paid thousands to work out the reason why :)
 
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I am Cardiff, lived in North Lincolnshire for a while though :).

Grimsby are a more succesful club over the years. They will play each other in a year or two. Both teams are dungeon dwellers.

I've told this story here before, but in the early years of emails Scunny council couldn't work out why they couldn't send any and paid thousands to work out the reason why :)
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Yes, in the days before the Premier League and Championship came into being I would wonder which team was so shit that they were bottom of the fourth division and Scun+horpe would often be that team.
 
FFA going on a global search to find Anges replacement to be named by mid February. They are using a global recruiting firm who specialises in sports recruiting and have a panel and have appointed Marco Bresciano Mark Schwartzer to the panel and a 3rd ex Socceroo which I think the newsreader said was Stan Lazaridis..
 
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I'm tipping Russia to win the World Cup. They somehow ended up in the easiest group. Putin will do everything for victory including a bit poisoning. We saw that with the 2014 Sochi Olympics doping scandal.

Overnight the IOC has banned Russia from the 2018 Winter Olympics and they have given a life ban to Vitaly Mutko who was the sports minister from 2008 to 2016 and the man guilty of overseeing the state-sanctioned doping program at the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics and is now deputy Prime Minister, part of Putin's inner circle. But he has a lot to do with the World Cup.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...for-2018-fifa-world-cup/9231012?section=sport
He's the president of the Russian Football Association and in charge of organising next year's FIFA World Cup. Like the rest of Russian sport, the nation's football team stands condemned as cheats. International pressure is building to outlaw them, ban them from international competition. But what is the reaction from football's world governing body, FIFA? Little more than a statement that says its "taken note" of the IOC decision, adding "the decision has no impact on the preparations for the 2018 FIFA World Cup as we continue to work to deliver the best possible event". So, business as usual it seems.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...for-2018-fifa-world-cup/9231012?section=sport
 
Haha that article was written by Tracey Holmes who was on the side of Hird and Essendon in the doping saga, interviewed Dank and Hird with kit gloves and wrote about WADA and ASADA being unfair on athletes. She doesn't pull any punches at the end of it

In 2016, new FIFA boss Gianni Infantino promised a new beginning. Football he said had gone through a "moment of crisis", but he pledged "those times are over". Really? Now Russia has presented him with his biggest test. The Olympics has acted, what will football do? Staring them down is one of Russia's most powerful men, about to host world football's biggest event. Will he go or will he stay?

Will the Russian team be banned from the World Cup in its own country? Russia is a nation of drug cheats. We know that. What we still don't know is what Infantino's new supposedly moral FIFA is going to do about it.
 
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FINALLY the Reds beat the victory at Emptyhad (first time since October 2006) despite finishing with 9 men. The FFEA did their best to stop us after adding 7 minutes of second half stoppage time, sucked in!!!
 

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Newcastle plummeting into the relegation zone with 1 point out of the last 15. Away losses to Manchester United and Chelsea can be forgiven but home losses to Watford and Leicester City are difficult to take. Especially when the Watford loss was 0-3 and the loss to Leicester City was by an 86th minute own goal.
 
GremioPower any reports in Brazil that Luiz Felipe Scolari is looking at coaching Australia at the WC and beyond? These are the reports from the last few hours. Scolari says his manager was approached the FFA say they haven't talked to anyone yet. In order of first reported.

Oh congrats on Gremio winning SF against the Mexican team tonight. Good luck in the final of the FIFA Club World Cup against Real Madrid ( they will beat the UAE team tomorrow night).

From international football website Goal - that supposedly employs 500 journos around the world to cover football.
http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/luiz...ed-in-coaching-the/1mek1lgdxe0111fxm1ttnazmq7
The Brazilian coach is high on the FFA shortlist but appears only to be keen for a long-term role beyond next year's showpiece World Cup-winning coach Luiz Felipe Scolari has declared his interest in taking Australia to World Cup Russia 2018. A long list of candidates have put their hand up for the vacant job made open by Ange Postecoglou's departure including former Germany and USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann, recently sacked Serbian manager Slavoljub Muslin and former England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson. Now the Socceroos have set their sights on the Brazilian tactician Scolari with the Football Federation Australia making contact after he recently ended a two-and-a-half year stint with Chinese Super League side Guangzhou Evergrande.

"I am one of the names (the FFA) spoke with ... to see if I was interested in taking them to the World Cup," Scolari told Reuters. "I don't intend in just taking a team to the World Cup. "I intend on leading a team with an organised project for one or two years. But I am interested." The former Chelsea manager led Brazil to World Cup glory in 2002 and returned to the head job of the passionate football nation for the 2014 tournament, exiting on a shattering 7-1 loss on home soil to Germany....
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http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/luiz...ed-in-coaching-the/1mek1lgdxe0111fxm1ttnazmq7

From SBS's The World Game website
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/art...nner-scolari-approached-lead-socceroos-russia
Scolari, who recently ended a two-and-a-half-year stint with Chinese top-flight outfit Guangzhou Evergrande, said Australia's governing body had been in talks with his agent about replacing Ange Postecoglou. He was interested, but wanted a long-term contract. "I am one of the names they spoke with ... to see if I was interested in taking them to the World Cup," Scolari told Reuters on Tuesday. "I don't intend in just taking a team to the World Cup," the former Chelsea manager said. "I intend on leading a team with an organised project for one or two years. "But I am interested.

Football Federation Australia said on Wednesday it had not yet approached any candidates because its selection panel was still defining criteria for the job it's tasked to fill by mid-February. The nine-person panel featuring former Socceroos Mark Schwarzer, Stan Lazaridis and Mark Bresciano has already been inundated with hundreds of enquiries including from agents representing a number of high-profile names, with Scolari understood to be among them. "We've had loads of expressions of interest and CVs sent to us from agents and intermediaries and the like, and some really high-profile names have been a part of that," FFA's head of national performance Luke Casserly told AAP. "But we actually haven't commenced any discussions with any coach yet. We want to nut out the candidate profile before we do that. "Because, of all that interest that comes in, once we're really clear on the profile we're targeting, 98 per cent of that interest will get shifted to the side." That process starts on Wednesday night when FFA conducts its first round of video-link interviews with the panel's two "international experts", who are acting in a confidential advisory role.......
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https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/art...nner-scolari-approached-lead-socceroos-russia

And the Daily Telegraph in Sydney.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/d2e731e17b5073572c3be91f3c519c44
THE prospect of World Cup winner Luiz Felipe Scolari succeeding Ange Postecoglou as Socceroos boss remains a distant one, despite the Brazilian claiming in an interview he had been approached by Football Federation Australia. Though Scolari told an interviewer in Brazil that his agent had held talks with Australian officials, it’s understood no direct approach has been made. The panel convened by Football Federation Australia has held its first discussions over replacing Postecoglou, but its initial remit is to set the criteria for what kind of candidate should be sought.
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FFA has said it intends to have a replacement for Postecoglou in place by February, ahead of the Socceroos’ next games in March. Former Socceroos Mark Bresciano, Stan Lazaridis and Mark Schwarzer are among those on the advisory panel, along with a number of FFA technical and medical staff, while an international recruitment consultancy specialising in sport has also been engaged. Scolari’s comments about seeking a “project” will chime with FFA’s preferred option of a coach to take the team through the World Cup, Asian Cup in January and into the qualifiers for the 2022 World Cup.
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RussellEbertHandball said:
GremioPower any reports in Brazil that Luiz Felipe Scolari is looking at coaching Australia at the WC and beyond? These are the reports from the last few hours. Scolari says his manager was approached the FFA say they haven't talked to anyone yet. In order of first reported.

Oh congrats on Gremio winning SF against the Mexican team tonight. Good luck in the final of the FIFA Club World Cup against Real Madrid ( they will beat the UAE team tomorrow night).

From international football website Goal - that supposedly employs 500 journos around the world to cover football.
http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/luiz...ed-in-coaching-the/1mek1lgdxe0111fxm1ttnazmq7

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/luiz...ed-in-coaching-the/1mek1lgdxe0111fxm1ttnazmq7

From SBS's The World Game website
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/art...nner-scolari-approached-lead-socceroos-russia

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/art...nner-scolari-approached-lead-socceroos-russia

And the Daily Telegraph in Sydney.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/d2e731e17b5073572c3be91f3c519c44

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/d2e731e17b5073572c3be91f3c519c44
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There seems to have been rumours since October. But Scolari told some reporter that there were some countries who have looked for him, of which Australia interested him the most. It has been only preliminary talks, though.
 
RussellEbertHandball

When I was a teenager, Felipão was Grêmio's coach. With him at the team's helm, we built a squad of young players from the Academy, experienced delisted players from other teams, and some unknown foreigners. The team played with passion, cunning, hunger, force, and talent. We won a lot of titles in three years, including a Copa Libertadores. It was great!
 
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RussellEbertHandball

When I was a teenager, Felipão was Grêmio's coach. With him at the team's helm, we built a squad of young players from the Academy, experienced delisted players from other teams, and some unknown foreigners. The team played with passion, cunning, hunger, force, and talent. We won a lot of titles in three years, including a Copa Libertadores. It was great!
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He has managed a shit load of teams. 3 years at Gremio in the mid 1990's is a club record for him. I see he is from the same state as Gremio is from, Rio Grande do Sul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_Felipe_Scolari
Teams managed
1982 CSA
1982–1983 Juventude
1983 Brasil de Pelotas
1984–1985 Al-Shabab
1986 Pelotas
1986–1987 Juventude
1987 Grêmio
1988 Goiás
1988–1990 Al Qadisiya
1990 Kuwait
1990 Coritiba
1991 Criciúma
1991 Al-Ahli
1992 Al Qadisiya
1993–1996 Grêmio
1997 Júbilo Iwata
1998–2000 Palmeiras
2000–2001 Cruzeiro
2001–2002 Brazil
2003–2008 Portugal
2008–2009 Chelsea
2009–2010 Bunyodkor
2010–2012 Palmeiras
2012–2014 Brazil
2014–2015 Grêmio
2015–2017 Guangzhou Evergrande

He reminds me of Gene Hackman and I see others on the net have made comparisons

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GremioPower said:
RussellEbertHandball

When I was a teenager, Felipão was Grêmio's coach. With him at the team's helm, we built a squad of young players from the Academy, experienced delisted players from other teams, and some unknown foreigners. The team played with passion, cunning, hunger, force, and talent. We won a lot of titles in three years, including a Copa Libertadores. It was great!
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How accurate is this summary on his wiki page?

Grêmio[edit]
In 1993, Scolari returned to Grêmio, where he was criticized by the Brazilian media for playing a non-Brazilian pragmatic style of football. He won six titles in only three years including the Copa Libertadores in 1995 which qualified them for the Intercontinental Cup, which they lost to Ajax on penalties.[5][6] The following year, they won the Brazilian Championship.[7]

His team featured no real superstar and depended on workman-like players such as Paraguayan right back Francisco Arce (of whom he later took to Palmeiras), the tough-tackling midfielder Dinho, Paulo Nunes, and centre forward Mário Jardel.[7]

He has done alright in his 2.5 years/3 seasons in China

Guangzhou Evergrande[edit]
On 4 June 2015, Scolari was appointed head coach of Chinese Super League champions Guangzhou Evergrande, signing a one-and-a-half plus one year contract.[35] After just four months in charge, Scolari led the club to victory in the 2015 Chinese Super League and AFC Champions League, defeating Cosmin Olăroiu's Al-Ahli side with a 1–0 aggregate win in the final.[36]He extended his contract for one year on 24 October 2016 after his potential successor Marcello Lippi was appointed as the manager of China national team.[37] Scolari led Guangzhou win three consecutive league titles from 2015 to 2017. He refused to extend contract again by the end of 2017 season.[
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RussellEbertHandball

The "non-Brazilian pragmatic style of football" was a common theme back then. Brazil had lost the 1990 World Cup and won the 1994 World Cup betting on strong defense and direct objective strikes offensivelly. This approach had offended the Orthodoxy, the "widows of 1982," who would barrack AGAINST the national team. Grêmio's success came at expense of the Orthodoxy's favorite: Wanderley Luxemburgo's Palmeiras — a team full of superstars, that played attacking soccer. There was a lot of envy against Grêmio back then. (Imagine Melbourne media, for instance).

Even though the coaches from 1990 and 1994 were from Rio, Rio Grande do Sul is still part of the country, and such a style is Gaucho, through and through. Felipão was just applying in Grêmio the style of play that fits our club's culture. We like teams able to impose themselves physically and that are simple and lethal offensivelly.

Brazil's capitain in 1990 and 1994 was Gaucho — Dunga (who eventually coached the team in the 2010 World Cup). Dunga was the symbol of that period: first, as mockery; later, as example of success. Since 2002, we had mostly Gaucho coaches at the helm of the natuonal squad: Luiz Felipe Scolari, Dunga, Mano Menezes, and, now, Tite. If I am not mistaken, only Parreira (1994 and 2006 coach) was not my fellow "countryman."
 
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RussellEbertHandball

By the way, Scolari, Mano, and Tite they all got their national recognition coaching Grêmio.

Tite won one state championship and one Brazil's Cup (in 2001, weeks apart from each other; it was the best Grêmio I have ever seen).

Mano won one National Second Division championship (in the final game, Grêmio played the last 10 minutes with 7 players against 10) and two state championships.
 

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