Round ball code talk

[Garibaldi Red]

Martin Tyler with the commentator's curse yesterday, - "and England will progress if they keep another clean sheet."
5 seconds later - "And they won't."

Yep, said the same in a message to a mate of mine this morning.

 

[PAFC04]

Martin Tyler with the commentator's curse yesterday, - "and England will progress if they keep another clean sheet."
5 seconds later - "And they won't."

It must be hard for him to see his country go down and still having to comment at the job at hand... its what makes him stand out from the rest of the commentators, so humble in defeat.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yesterday I was thinking how many Socceroos were either born in Croatia or of Croatian heritage. I rattled off about 8 names automatically. Thought of all those soccer clubs from the Croatian community especially in the eastern states that have made it to the old NSL like Melbourne Croatia which became Melbourne Knights and Sydney Croatia became Sydney United.

This article in today's Tsier lists 16 players, all bar Eddie Krncevic from that 1992-2006 golden generation period but I reckon there were a lot more that played a few games in the 1970's and 1980's especially but also since the 1990's. Branko Buljevic went to the 1974 WC, and then guys of the 90's and 00's who played a lot in the NSL and/or early A League and a few games for the Socceroos that I remember, like Branko Milosevic, Michael Petkovic, Ante Milicic (current Socceroos assistant coach) and Ante Juric

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...l/news-story/4bc02098db28cd3e0ca260ad38a00319
SOCCEROOS OF CROATIAN HERITAGE
■ Mark Bosnich
■ Mark Bresciano
■ Ante Covic
■ Jason Culina
■ Eugene Galekovic
■ Steve Horvat
■ Mile Jedinak
■ Tomi Juric
■ Zeljko Kalac
■ Eddie Krncevic
■ Tony Popovic
■ Josip Skoko
■ Matthew Spiranovic
■ Mark Viduka
■ David Zdrilic
■ Ned Zelic

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...l/news-story/4bc02098db28cd3e0ca260ad38a00319

Michael McGuire in his articles reckons Oz soccer fans should get behind Croatia and lists famous South Aussies of Croatian heritage.

THE day after the long night before, Croatian fans, bleary-eyed and full of wonder that their team had qualified for its first World Cup final, were still processing the enormity of the achievement. “It’s historic, absolutely historic,’’ said Damir Culic, Chairman of the Croatian Community Council of South Australia. Like many others, Dr Culic was operating on minimal sleep, grabbing an hour after the game before heading to work. Dr Culic was one of around 300 people at the Croatian Sports Centre at Gepps Cross for the 3.30am Adelaide time kick-off watch the 2-1 win over England and kept the faith even after Croatia went behind early in the game.
......
There has long been a strong Croatian history in South Australia. According to the 2016 census there were 1447 Croatian-born South Australians, while 8175 people claimed Croatian descent. The Migration Museum is currently holding a Croatian exhibition and it traces Croatian influence in South Australia back to a sailor called Christopher Dabovic who arrived in 1854. Appropriately, given the massive influence Croats would have on the fishing and tuna industry in South Australia, Dabovic settled in Port Lincoln and was appointed Inspector of Oyster Fisheries by the colonial government. In Port Lincoln yesterday, the Croatian tradition continued and the community came together to watch, celebrate and dream of World Cup glory.
......
Former Democrat leader Natasha Stott Despoja believes she was the first person of Croatian descent to be elected to the Australian parliament.

South Australians such as Los Angeles Olympic gold medallist Dean Lukin and Makybe Diva owner Tony Santic also have Croatian backgrounds. Santic was in Croatia for the game and was believed to be attempting a last-minute dash to Moscow for the final. Lukin watched it on the Gold Coast and was full of confidence for the decider against the French. “We’re going to flog them,’’ he predicted.


I think there are about 60,000 Croatian born people living in Oz and people who claim Croatian heritage is about 150,000. But there will be pockets of strong French support around Oz, especially the guys building the subs from the Naval Group (formerly DCNS) who have moved to Oz.

 

[Harlott]

Branko Buljevic I think identified himself more as of Serbian descent. Very similar to my old man. Born in Split and identified as being of Serb descent. Interestingly he played for OFK Beograd in the former Yugoslavia and then Footscray JUST (Serbian team) and not SC Croatia in the old Melb state league.

 

[Incarnate]

How fuggin sweet was it to watch the melts.

'Its coming home'.

Mwahahahahaha

 

[Incarnate]

I used to play U18 when i was 15, played U16 when i was both 13 nd 14. Those fargin iches play ruff

 

[Incarnate]

Anyone remember a croation pitch wrapped in a veledrome

 

[Incarnate]

Wait.
Thats a conundrum iaght?

 

[Greasyrhys]

Gonna be tough but hopefully the underdogs can pull off a miracle

 

[diegodcg]

That Arzani lad looks class. Wish he had played more minutes for Australia, seemed so comfortable in the biggest of stages.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Wrote 4 posts about the Southern Expansion in the Bugo goes to Arsenal thread because he has been appointed as their Fitness advisor if they get an A league licence which is supposed to happen by 31st October. The 10 bidding teams (and 5 rejected bids) for the 2 licences were announced on 28 June.

Missing out were
Gold Coast United, West Adelaide (Adelaide II), Belgravia Leisure, Tasmania and Fremantle City.

Going to the next evaluation stage are
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/a-league-expansion-shortlist-announced-496161
FFA intends to grant licences for two new clubs to join the Hyundai A-League in the season after next, 2019-20. The ultimate aim of the process is to identify two bids with the strongest potential for establishing clubs with long-term sustainability. "FFA's job is to get the best outcome for the Hyundai A-League and football as a whole," FFA Chief Executive David Gallop said. "That means granting licences that will complement the existing Hyundai A-League clubs, link back into fans and the football history in their local community, help to develop football pathways for more players, increase interest from sponsors and broadcasters, have solid financial backing and operate sustainably," he added.

Chairman of the West Adelaide bid, Andy Haralampopoulos has said the bid was not shortlisted due to it not being in the desired geographic area. FFA does not want a second Adelaide team at this time, however, they are strong candidates for next expansion when A-League goes to 14.

10 shortlisted teams for A-League expansion:
NSW
United for Macarthur (Campbelltown)
South-Western Sydney FC
Southern Expansion (Sutherland, St George and Wollongong)
Wollongong Wolves

Vic
Team 11 (Dandenong)
Western Melbourne (Geelong)
South Melbourne

QLD
Western Pride (Ipswich)
Brisbane City

ACT
Canberra & Capital Region
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/a-league-expansion-shortlist-announced-496161

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The AFR's sport guy John Stensholt (recently moved to The Australian obviously saw the Fairfax merger with 9 coming) had an interesting article at the start of June about the bidding teams.

Diagram of who owners current team and who is backing the original 15 bids
https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...new-club-in-sydneys-southwest-20180607-h112nh

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

From that 8 June Fin Review article and moving stuff around

Building Billiionaire Lang Walker reckon it makes sense to back a team in the Campbelltown area and he can build the stadium, is backing the United for Macarthur (Campbelltown)
https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...new-club-in-sydneys-southwest-20180607-h112nh

Billionaire Lang Walker admits to being more a rugby union fan, but he says he can see a good business reason for backing a bid for a new A-League soccer club in Sydney's south-west. Walker this week revealed he would fund a bid for a licence for the Macarthur region, a fast-growing area set to have 1 million people living there within 15 years. "We've got about 16,000 dwellings going there over the next 20 years in the region so it is significant for us. There are a lot of football fans in the area, so we could build training facilities and the like in our developments in order to be an important part of the community." His Walker Corporation, which has more than $2 billion worth of property investments on its balance sheet, would provide some funding for the team and also have substantial input in the upgrade of the Campbelltown Stadium......... "I don't want to get involved in the politics of the sport, but I think it is a growing one that is very important to the south-west so I was happy to get involved in the bid," says Walker. "We won't cut across other teams either."

https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...new-club-in-sydneys-southwest-20180607-h112nh

Chinese property investors are backing Southern Expansion bid and have considered building a $300m stand alone stadium down the track.

Southern Expansion is ultimately backed by Chinese billionaire Shen Yuxing, the founder and chairman of property developer Jianyan International Group and a part-owner of a Chinese Super League team, and the ASX-listed Boyuan Holdings. It also has ex-NSW Premier Morris Iemma, former Socceroo Craig Foster and media and soccer executives in its bid team. Its chief executive Chris Gardiner says the Chinese backers wanted to own a local soccer team to forge closer links to the community and considered several Sydney regions before settling on the south. "We've got a 40,000-player base down here and we've taken a business approach to identify the opportunities and how we can make it work. The owners do a lot of integrated property developments, including schools and hospitals, and look at how to link with the community. What better way to do that in Australia than through sport?" Research by consultancy Gemba, commissioned by Southern Expansion, claims the club would attract 185,000 fans annually, 1.9 million TV viewers and bring $8.2 million in annual commercial value. It would share games at three venues, two in Sydney's south and one in Wollongong (where another bid is based), and is also considering sites to build its own $300 million stadium.

Gerry Ryan owner of Jayco and original Greenedge cycling team and Team 11 bid from Dandenong

Gerry Ryan is backing the Team 11 bid in Melbourne's south-east, near the Dandenong factory of his Jayco caravans business, telling AFR Weekend: "I've put together a few clubs in my life [he part-owns the NRL's Melbourne Storm and once had stakes in Brisbane Roar and Melbourne City] and Dandenong has been very good to me. What better way to unite the community than the round ball game." Ryan says he doesn't want to own the team but would help with funding and building the infrastructure of the club....In Melbourne, two of the bidders have unveiled plans for venues built in the outer suburbs: Ryan's Team 11 and

The Western Melbourne consortium that includes KPMG audit partner Maurice Bisetto.

"It's a combination of a progressive local [Wyndham] council and a group of investors," says Bisetto. "The key that underpins it is the population growth coming in the area." Bisetto's proposal includes a privately-funded 15,000 seat stadium built by a group of billionaires and wealthy families (he will not reveal who) on land provided by the council that would also include commercial income-producing buildings, such as a hotel and community facilities.

Another property developer wants to back a Tassie team

while Melbourne property developer Harry Stamoulis wants to bring a team to Tasmania. Other Rich Listers are quietly backing some more bids.

Gold Coast missed out, but not a developer but a tech entrepreneur was backing their bid along with local soccer community and overseas owners who owned teams in their home countries and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, the chairman of the Gold Coast United bid, local tech entrepreneur Danny Maher, says they are in a better position because it has an existing stadium at Robina to go with a cashed-up ownership group. Gold Coast would be partly owned by the local soccer community and also by two groups of international investors who own clubs overseas, including US investors Brett Johnson and Jordan Gardner, part-owners of American second-tier team Phoenix Rising and a shareholder of English side Swansea City respectively, and Chinese hotel magnate Alex Zheng, who part-owns French club OGC Nice. Gold Coast would be the Australian arm of a network spanning clubs around several continents. "I really think this the future of our sport," says Maher. "A-League clubs lose about $2 million annually but if you are in an international network that money becomes of a worldwide expenditure and strategy. These people own clubs in the US, Europe and Asia and you could see players moving between clubs in the network."

Some basic info why the billioaires want to get involved and a bit about the process - each team will have to pay about $15m for an A League licence

When asked if potential fans would be turned off by their team being part of a global ecosystem that would see promising players head overseas before fulfilling their potential in Australia, Maher says: "Players already head away and come back here later. And it would go the other way too with [the investors] bringing marquee players to Australia. Fans would love it."

Lured by the potential of the world's biggest sport, which has a huge participation base in Australia, they see entry to the A-League as a combination of business, philanthropy and sporting opportunity and their strategies could change the face of sporting team ownership in this country. And they have not been put off by existing clubs having lost more than $300 million since the league began in 2005.

It is expected two teams would join the A-League for the 2019-2020 season, though there is a chance more could be invited depending on the financial and sporting strengths of the bids. FFA is expected to charge each new licence holder about $15 million to join the league. The new teams could build and own their own stadiums, a rarity in Australia where state governments own just about every large venue. The new teams could in some cases effectively act as a local branch of a global network operating teams across several continents. They would join a league that already has seven of 10 teams owned by overseas interests.

But soccer like most sports is riddled with politics, just that soccer tend to do it on a grander world type scale. Sydney FC backing their mate Lang Walker's bid and rubbishing the Southern expansion.

This being soccer though – currently racked with infighting as existing A-League clubs and some state federations attempt to remove FFA chairman Steven Lowy – competition for the new licences has become very heated and also part of the quest for control of the sport in Australia. Walker's bid has become part of a wider argument about where the new teams should be situated, which cashed-up individual or consortium should back them and what impact will the new entities have on the existing 10 A-League clubs.

The chairman of three-time A-League grand final winner Sydney FC, Scott Barlow, a property investor and son-in-law of the club's Russian owner David Traktovenko, this week publicly spruiked Walker's bid – Walker says Barlow is friends with his son Chad – and fired at shot at the Southern Expansion consortium that wants to bring a team to Sydney's south. "What a coup it would be to have someone of Lang's stature involved in the A-League," said Barlow, who added: "A new team based in the south would be very damaging to our club and result in huge cannibalisation of our fan base. Put simply it would cut off our club at the knees." Sydney FC is part of a group of A-League clubs determined to gain control of the A-League from FFA, as part of a process underway in which global governing body FIFA will adjudicate the makeup of the congress that elects the FFA board. The A-League clubs this week released a statement saying they wanted 14 teams, protection for existing teams including Wellington Phoenix and that the correct regions should be identified for an expansion team before inviting bids.

 

[GremioPower]

WAYNE ROONEY!!!! Please, please, please! This is a MUST-WATCH play!

 

[GremioPower]

The AFR's sport guy John Stensholt (recently moved to The Australian obviously saw the Fairfax merger with 9 coming) had an interesting article at the start of June about the bidding teams.

Diagram of who owners current team and who is backing the original 15 bids
https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...new-club-in-sydneys-southwest-20180607-h112nh

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West Adelaide, instead of Adelaide City. Shame!

Although the world does not need another City-United rivalry, the Zebras against the Pissants could ended up being naturally sucked into the Port-W. Lakes footy rivalry just because of the chromatic relationship between them, and the Maggies and the Crows. Couldn't it?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

West Adelaide, instead of Adelaide City. Shame!

Although the world does not need another City-United rivalry, the Zebras against the Pissants could ended up being naturally sucked into the Port-W. Lakes footy rivalry just because of the chromatic relationship between them, and the Maggies and the Crows. Couldn't it?

The former owners of United - sold out earlier this year - were closely related to the crows and the SANFL. Their former chairman Greg Griffen was the lawyer who led the legal proceedings in 1990 to stop Port talking to the AFL and it's member clubs. The judge ruled in his favour.

How do you know about the Zebras? Adelaide City started as Adelaide Juventus around 1950 was the club of Italian migrants and won many state premierships. When the NSL was formed in 1977 it changed its name to Adelaide City. West Adelaide initially was more successful but City took over and between 1986 to 1996 was a very successful and progressive club under coach Zoran Matic. It regularly was a top 4 club and I think played in 5 grand finals. It was the first club that saw its future and the future of soccer in Australia related to Asia and not trying to be a mini Euro league. But after the failure in 1997 to qualify for the 1998 World Cup the game at a commercial level went into a death spiral as it had no money, was banking on monies and commercial opportunities with qualifying for 1998 WC, and with no national TV rights deal clubs depended more on wealthy private owners to prop up the clubs and AC unfortunately just couldn't keep up and had to leave the NSL and didnt have the resources to apply for an A League licence and FFA made it clear it wouldn't give the licence to any ethnic community club.

 

[LFC2010]

West Adelaide, instead of Adelaide City. Shame!

Although the world does not need another City-United rivalry, the Zebras against the Pissants could ended up being naturally sucked into the Port-W. Lakes footy rivalry just because of the chromatic relationship between them, and the Maggies and the Crows. Couldn't it?

it could, but it still wouldn't tempt me into attending the AL. It's even more unprofessional than the AFL, now that's saying something.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

WAYNE ROONEY!!!! Please, please, please! This is a MUST-WATCH play!

Pity Boak can't do something like in the dying minutes.

 

[GremioPower]

The former owners of United - sold out earlier this year - were closely related to the crows and the SANFL. Their former chairman Greg Griffen was the lawyer who led the legal proceedings in 1990 to stop Port talking to the AFL and it's member clubs. The judge ruled in his favour.

How do you know about the Zebras?

I've googled SA soccer!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

it could, but it still wouldn't tempt me into attending the AL. It's even more unprofessional than the AFL, now that's saying something.

Are you saying the administrators off the pitch would stop you from going to games, irrespective of what happens on the pitch? Why?

 

[GremioPower]

Pity Boak can't do something like in the dying minutes.

That's smart soccer. Rooney instinctively let the GK taking his place in the box and went back to cover the rebound. It wasn't trained at all.

Look also Acosta at 0:08 simply tripping one Orlando player to ****** his running into attack.

Two smart players turned a loss into a win in the dying seconds of a close game.

 

[Grave Danger]

Portugal beat Italy last night for the first time in a competitive match since 1957. Cristiano Ronaldo was rested for the match

 

[dirty2]

WAYNE ROONEY!!!! Please, please, please! This is a MUST-WATCH play!

That shit is good

 

[mic59]

West Ham with most of the play in the first half broke through a couple of times and lead Man United 2-0 at half time. First goal was a lovely move and a deft touch by Felipe Anderson but the commentators thought it could have been called offside, although even after multiple replays they could not be sure.
The second goal was a lucky one, a corner nodded over the goal and nine-ironed and probably would have missed but it struck a panicky defender and looped away from the goalie.

 

[Grave Danger]

West Ham with most of the play in the first half broke through a couple of times and lead Man United 2-0 at half time. First goal was a lovely move and a deft touch by Felipe Anderson but the commentators thought it could have been called offside, although even after multiple replays they could not be sure.
The second goal was a lucky one, a corner nodded over the goal and nine-ironed and probably would have missed but it struck a panicky defender and looped away from the goalie.

Rashford pulled one back for Untied, but Arnautovic cancelled that out 3 minutes later. WHU 3-1 MUN