Round ball code talk

[Grave Danger]

With the strips Man City and Chelsea are wearing, a 'blue on blue' was inevitable...

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

With the strips Man City and Chelsea are wearing, a 'blue on blue' was inevitable...

The dopes at the AFL would have wanted clash jumpers. With colour TV and HD there was absolutely no problem distinguishing the teams last night on SBS's coverage. Shit even with black and white Tv watching somewhere in Africa it would have been a dark team strip vs a white/light team strip.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Finally a win to the Reds!!!

 

[Dylan8]

The dopes at the AFL would have wanted clash jumpers.

Nah, but Chelsea would have been unnecessarily in white shorts

 

[Greasyrhys]

Absolutely putrid by the Reds today, definitely no fairytale this time...

 

[mic59]

The Reds were 1-0 down to Newcastle and then the Newcastle keeper made a complete balls-up with a free that was kicked to him instead of crossed in and punched the ball into his own net.

 

[mic59]

Bloody Reds. Newcastle had three good chances in injury time. First chance was a top save by Galekovic but the Newcastle forward should have squared for a tap-in. Second one hit the post. The last one all the Adelaide defenders were running off and hoping to send the attacker wide to let time run out but he cut in and scored right at the end of the three minutes added time.

Had an away point in the bag right up till the last second of the game.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Reds were 1-0 down to Newcastle and then the Newcastle keeper made a complete balls-up with a free that was kicked to him instead of crossed in and punched the ball into his own net.

As per the article I linked on the previous page, poor goalkeeping continues to be the achilles heel of Australian soccer.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Absolutely embarrassing by the Reds, season officially over

 

[mic59]

Difficult to see how they looked so good last year and so hopeless this year. Not a great start with the Cirio injury(when will Australian referees realise there are some things that are a straight red). Would have expected some kind of improvement but the Newcastle game with the winner in literally the last second was the final nail. You could see the Reds were just waiting to lose that one.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Looks like the 2026 WC - wherever its held and whoever bribes their way to hosting rights - will be a 40 or 48 team competition. The final vote is on Tuesday but there was preliminary support for an increase.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/07/world-cup-expansion-vote-set-tuesday
The 37-member FIFA Council, which makes strategic decisions for soccer's governing body, will on Tuesday decide whether to increase the tournament from the current 32 teams to either 40 or 48, starting in 2026.

Infantino, elected last February to replace the disgraced Sepp Blatter, pledged during his campaign to enlarge the tournament - a promise designed especially to appeal to the bulk of FIFA's 211 member associations that rarely or never qualify for World Cups. Infantino now says he has "overwhelming support" for his plans. The Council's nine European representatives seem least likely to support the change.

A spokesman for the European governing body UEFA offered little enthusiasm, saying it was "currently gathering feedback from its national associations - which are the ones directly impacted by any change". The association representing Europe's most powerful clubs, already struggling to nurse players through long domestic seasons, last month wrote to Infantino to say that that "politics and commerce should not be the exclusive priority in football". But even if the Europeans oppose the expansion, Infantino's comment suggests they will be in a minority.
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Infantino has said his preferred option is for a 48-team tournament that would start with 16 groups of three teams, where the top two would qualify for a knock-out round of 32. "For this alternative, the draw would probably have to be abolished to avoid tactical behaviour in final group matches," said Grindel. "But having extra-time and penalties in the group stage is itself problematic, adding organisational difficulties to an already higher number of matches." Infantino has also proposed a preliminary round of 16 knockout ties, with the winners joining 16 seeded teams in a 32-team group phase.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/07/world-cup-expansion-vote-set-tuesday

The full FIFA media release which also discusses other matters on the agenda at the 2nd meeting of the new FIFA Council.

http://fifa.pressfire.net/newsletter/newsletter?id=3786&html=1

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Fifa at its meeting tonight - daytime Euro time voted unanimously for a 48 team comp in 2026 World Cup. 16 groups of 3 teams 2 advance from each group to knock out 32 stage then knockout 16 etc. 80 games instead of 64 games so will have to add an extra week or more.

Great opportunity for corruption as currently the last games of the group stage ie 4 teams in 8 groups the last 2 games are played at the same time to avoid teams playing dead to block another team advancing. With 3 teams in each group you won't be able to use current system. Reckon it was the 1990 WC a team played dead - reckon it was Austria to stop someone advancing and the rule was introduced to play final 2 group games at same time.

 

[mic59]

Fifa at its meeting tonight - daytime Euro time voted unanimously for a 48 team comp in 2026 World Cup. 16 groups of 3 teams 2 advance from each group to knock out 32 stage then knockout 16 etc. 80 games instead of 64 games so will have to add an extra week or more.
Great opportunity for corruption as currently the last games of the group stage ie 4 teams in 8 groups the last 2 games are played at the same time to avoid teams playing dead to block another team advancing. With 3 teams in each group you won't be able to use current system. Reckon it was the 1990 WC a team played dead - reckon it was Austria to stop someone advancing and the rule was introduced to play fina 2l group games at same time.

The one you're thinking of does concern Austria but it was 1982 in Gijon in Spain where West Germany needed to win by 1 or 2 goals and then both sides would advance at the expense of Algeria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

There was also a similar accusation levelled at Argentina and Peru after the 1978 World Cup. This was later confirmed by an Argentinian senator.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...cheated-World-Cup-1978-says-Peru-senator.html

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The one you're thinking of does concern Austria but it was 1982 in Gijon in Spain where West Germany needed to win by 1 or 2 goals and then both sides would advance at the expense of Algeria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

There was also a similar accusation levelled at Argentina and Peru after the 1978 World Cup. This was later confirmed by an Argentinian senator.
Wh
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...cheated-World-Cup-1978-says-Peru-senator.html

Thanks for the correction. I knew Italy and Germany were involved somehow. 1990 Italy was host and Germany won and thats why I thought it was 1990.1982 Spain was host Italy won the WC and Germany was the team Austria helped out and made the final against Italy.

I remember reading about the 1978 game but I watched the 1982 game.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Fifa at its meeting tonight - daytime Euro time voted unanimously for a 48 team comp in 2026 World Cup. 16 groups of 3 teams 2 advance from each group to knock out 32 stage then knockout 16 etc. 80 games instead of 64 games so will have to add an extra week or more.

Great opportunity for corruption as currently the last games of the group stage ie 4 teams in 8 groups the last 2 games are played at the same time to avoid teams playing dead to block another team advancing. With 3 teams in each group you won't be able to use current system. Reckon it was the 1990 WC a team played dead - reckon it was Austria to stop someone advancing and the rule was introduced to play final 2 group games at same time.

They believe by introducing penalty shootouts for all games they will avoid this.

The whole exercise is just a money grab in my book

 

[mic59]

Is it possible that Leicester could be relegated to the Championship the year after winning the EPL? After 23 games the team that is 3rd from the bottom(Crystal Palace) has 19 points and a -9 goal difference while Leicester has played 23 games also, has 21 points and a -14 goal difference.

 

[Greasyrhys]

You know things have turned to tripe when the last-placed Reds are sitting 5 points below the team sitting 9th

 

[JayPea14]

You know things have turned to tripe when the last-placed Reds are sitting 5 points below the team sitting 9th

make that 8...almost guaranteed the wooden spoon

 

[Greasyrhys]

Apparently the Cowvertiser's soccer writer Val has said Adelaide will host West Ham at Adelaide Oval this July.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Can't speak for Olympics but not sure if government spending in soccer is the answer. Personally believe what is required to consistently make a quarter final in the world cup can't be brought through a public purse. Just ask England. I could easily argue that the rise of SASI and AIS in soccer has lead to less Australians finding a profession in the big leagues around the world.

Not sure why this is even a conversation piece. Public spending should really only be there to help fund industry that produces a public benefit that would not be ultimately achieved if left to the private sector.

I doubt anyone would argue that the investment into AO hasn't paid a public dividend despite my personal dislike of SACA and the SMA. I'd also struggle to understand how the same amount invested in any international sport would pay a public dividend anywhere as close.

I think the large majority of that golden generation of Socceroos players from the 90's and 00's were given an AIS scholarships.

When Hill talks about government monies he is talking about infrastructure. If you put a grandstand roof on the eastern stand of Hindmarsh it would help get bigger crowds when it's 35-40 degrees. Invest in putting grandstand roofs all around Hindmarsh including filling in the 4 current vacant corners, get ground capacity up to 25,000 and then you have a better chance of selling out games and increasing attendaces when games are played in stinking hot conditions. Regularly get 20,000 plus crowds at a world class stadium means Adelaide United have more $$$ which it can plough into better players, keep the better Oz players here, invest imore in junior programs and training facilities and better coaches etc. Thats the argument he has long made about government monies not government investing in players and replacing basic revenue streams. Just look at Port's transformation financially by playing at Adelaide Oval. That is what he is getting at. If you can't see how Port was transformed by having a better stadium you will never understand his argument.

The A league has to look at the MLS in North America. The clubs are building rectangle stadiums with 25,000 to 30,000 capacity ( its the sweat spot of cost and spectator facilities and capacity at 90%+ at most stadiums) and a few clubs are playing at NFL stadiums just using the lower tiered seats and restricting capacity to low 30k capacify with the Seattle Sounders pushing out the Seahawks' stadium to about 42k. Playing games at ovals that the clubs and or league don't own or are screwed on the stadium deal or poor rectangle stadiums is a big factor in limiting the games ability to keep up with leages in Asia let alone Europe.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

.....He is just really frustrated that the game he loves and grew up with, isn't as big in Oz compared to where he grew up...

He should consider ****ing off back there then.

 

[NoddyHolder]

I resent his belief that soccer belongs as the #1 sport in every country by virtue of the fact it's the most popular game in the world. I suppose when he travels to Italy he tells them to stop eating pasta and eat McDonald's and KFC instead 'cos......."get with the program!!".

Spot on.
I've been refering to soccer as the McDonalds of sport for a while now.

 

[tribey]

I think the large majority of that golden generation of Socceroos players from the 90's and 00's were given an AIS scholarships.

When Hill talks about government monies he is talking about infrastructure. If you put a grandstand roof on the eastern stand of Hindmarsh it would help get bigger crowds when it's 35-40 degrees. Invest in putting grandstand roofs all around Hindmarsh including filling in the 4 current vacant corners, get ground capacity up to 25,000 and then you have a better chance of selling out games and increasing attendaces when games are played in stinking hot conditions. Regularly get 20,000 plus crowds at a world class stadium means Adelaide United have more $$$ which it can plough into better players, keep the better Oz players here, invest imore in junior programs and training facilities and better coaches etc. Thats the argument he has long made about government monies not government investing in players and replacing basic revenue streams. Just look at Port's transformation financially by playing at Adelaide Oval. That is what he is getting at. If you can't see how Port was transformed by having a better stadium you will never understand his argument.

The A league has to look at the MLS in North America. The clubs are building rectangle stadiums with 25,000 to 30,000 capacity ( its the sweat spot of cost and spectator facilities and capacity at 90%+ at most stadiums) and a few clubs are playing at NFL stadiums just using the lower tiered seats and restricting capacity to low 30k capacify with the Seattle Sounders pushing out the Seahawks' stadium to about 42k. Playing games at ovals that the clubs and or league don't own or are screwed on the stadium deal or poor rectangle stadiums is a big factor in limiting the games ability to keep up with leages in Asia let alone Europe.

The 'dewogification' of the Australian top flight resulting in the permanent relegation of the Melbourne and Sydney Croatias, Adelaide City, Marconi and Sydney Olympic has coincided with the talent conveyor coming to a grinding halt.

We keep hearing about the A-League's enhanced 'pathways' and yet where is everyone? From Kewells, Vidukas, Cahills, Schwarzers, Okons, Moores, Brescianos, Grellas and Aloisis to the Socceroos Facebook blowing its load over Aaron Mooy playing well for freaking Huddersfield.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Send the english to the most beautiful beach on the planet and they'll whinge about sand

Bloody gets in yer chips old chap

 

[Vagabond0]

I think the large majority of that golden generation of Socceroos players from the 90's and 00's were given an AIS scholarships.

When Hill talks about government monies he is talking about infrastructure. If you put a grandstand roof on the eastern stand of Hindmarsh it would help get bigger crowds when it's 35-40 degrees. Invest in putting grandstand roofs all around Hindmarsh including filling in the 4 current vacant corners, get ground capacity up to 25,000 and then you have a better chance of selling out games and increasing attendaces when games are played in stinking hot conditions. Regularly get 20,000 plus crowds at a world class stadium means Adelaide United have more $$$ which it can plough into better players, keep the better Oz players here, invest imore in junior programs and training facilities and better coaches etc. Thats the argument he has long made about government monies not government investing in players and replacing basic revenue streams. Just look at Port's transformation financially by playing at Adelaide Oval. That is what he is getting at. If you can't see how Port was transformed by having a better stadium you will never understand his argument.

Re AIS Maybe, maybe not. I'm going off memory but even in the 90s the argument to leave Australia as a teenager for Europe was still strong. Kewell definitely went early, Viduka as an 18 year old. If you compare our Joey results this millennium compared to late last you can see what difference pay TV has had on junior development OS compared to our Institute of Sport set up. Worlds apart that can't be bridged by bureaucrats.

Been a long time since I've followed a team other than Ports. However I would be seriously surprised if building a 30k under roof stadium would give Adelaide the Kevin Costner effect and start leading to world class players playing regularly here. We're a nation of 20m, FIFA couldn't care less about us when Asia is ripe for the picking.

I'm not against investing in any sport or industry. I would love to see money go to kids development/ anything that betters their futures, definitely more so than fancy US airplanes that fly at freaky angles, but I still think anyone asking for public spending needs to be able to warrant the investment and I really doubt that a stadium is an answer to all their woes.

I also definitely don't think slagging off another sport or calling it dead end adds any value to the debate.

So unfortunately to me he's just another Shock jock that doesn't warrant any serious consideration.