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Yeah i also agree things should be kept the same. Otherwise, all our hard work gets undone.

On another note, i think the salary cap issue could really help the struggling teams. Perhaps beef up everyones salary, and beef up 1st rounders and 2nd rounders and so ons salary too, so its not all to simple for 'better' clubs to stock on draft picks to get around the cap.

On the flip side, to be fair to the 'better' teams i think that players who dont have a great season need to have their salarys dropped also. Also can help you pick up a bargain player, who may jsut step up out of nowhere (i.e Dane Swan) or a player who just has a off year.


I also have a few guys in mind i think who will be good managers. We play this cricket game atm, and we are all on regulary. How many clubs at the moment dont have 'reliable' managers?
 
andrew_embley said:
I also have a few guys in mind i think who will be good managers. We play this cricket game atm, and we are all on regulary. How many clubs at the moment dont have 'reliable' managers?
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2 teams don't have managers - St Kilda and West Coast. I think most of the others are reliable but I can't remember them all.
 

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Recovered this pre-edit out of my email, I was going to put up a few proposals for voting this week but since I didn't read the comments to this last time I won't do it yet - that means trade time will probably be delayed a bit further. Discuss again

Roylion's idea:
An idea I'd like to see added is length of contracts. This would add to the list management aspect of the game and gve us all a little more to think aabout come trade time.

It might work a little like the following..

If a player signs for two years - this is regarded as a standard contract and the price is what has been decided.

If a club wants to sign a player for three years - 10% is added on to the
player's standard contracted salary, as currently stated. This amount is paid every year.
Four years - 25% is added to the player's standard contracted salary and paid each year,
Five years - 50% is added to player's standard contracted two year salary and paid every year.
One year - 10% is taken off the players current contract value. (minimum salary is still whatever has been set. No player can be paid less than this at any time.)

It would be assumed that once the contract prices for 2007 have been worked out by Russian, that these prices would be for a two year standard contract. Coaches would then work out who they want to sign and for how long and then adjust the prices accordingly. All clubs would be assumed for this first year of contracts to automatically sign their players, if they are offered two year contracts or longer. For this first year, bidding would be allowed on players offered only a one year contract by their existing clubs.

Bidding and trading would be held concurrently. Clubs may decide to come to a trade deal, rather than forcing the price of a player.

At the end of the contract, the club with which the player is currently signed can make a new offer to the player, which may be more or less than he gets now. All offers by all clubs to uncontracted players would be publicised and other clubs could make the player a larger offer. Effectively the uncontracted player is looking round at other clubs at the end of his contract. If there is no interest then otherwise the price is locked in for the period of time he signed on for. Effectively uuncontracted player would be bidded for, wiith the current club holding the right of last bid (in other words all they need to do is match the bid). An unmatched bid means the player leaves his original club and goes to the club which made the bid. The club must allocate a PSD draft pick to the new player in order to pick him up.

Of course a player can be delisted by their club at the end of a contract in which case they become a Free Agent as per normal and are free to enter the National Draft or the PSD.

Players contracted for any length of time could be still of course be traded and to make it easier for Russian, a player's existing contract MUST be paid in full by his new club for however long the contract lasts for.

This means of course that over-bidding can only take place for players out of contract (and only after clubs have offered them a new two year standard deal - in other words reset the player's price). Any player re-signed by their club for a two year deal, which is then reduced to a one year deal (minus 10%) to save their club money can be approached by other clubs to come to them for their original two year deal at the standard price.

Rookies will be assumed to be out of contract at the end of the season. Elevated rookies must be offered a minimum two year contract to stay on the list,, but like any other uncontracted player can be bid for by other clubs, except for this first year.

For the purposes of the game, clubs cannot offer contract extensions to players already in contracts. A new offer can only be made at the end of a contract.

So as an example of the above:
Player A who has gone from Collingwood to Carlton on a base two year contract is keen to continue his career with Carlton. Carlton are also keen and decides to offer a three year contract instead of the two. As Player A has come to Carlton on a $230,000 two year contract, 10% needs to be added to his base contract, bringing his contract up to $253,000 ($230,000 + $23,000). Player A is now signed for this Season and the next two seasons. He can still be traded though at his new salary of $253,000 for the remaining years of his contract.

Meanwhile at Collingwood, they are still having significant salary cap problems. Collingwood decide to offer Player B's only a one year contract, shaving 10% of the salary of $150,000 to $135,000. Player B is not happy at the reduction of his wages and security and he begins looking around for new clubs. This means that other clubs can now offer him new deals. Essendon offer Player B $160,000 on a two year deal and as no other club offers anymore than that (and his original club does not match it), Essendon commits Pick 5 in the pre-season draft for him and takes him with that Pick. Collingwood make an extra pick in the pre-season draft to bring their list up to the required minimum or alternatively they could elevate one of their rookies. Had there been no offer from other clubs for Player B after his contract reduction, he would have had to stay with Collingwood, and look for a new club when he was out of contract.

I'd like to see something like this introduced as it would add another dimension to list management as well as even up the competition more rapidly as clubs with a little bit of salary cap space may be able to 'poach' players from those facing a salarry cap squeeze. In other words, offer too much now and you may feel the pinch in a couple of years.

The other good thing about this type of system, is that eventually all players will be worth what the market says they are worth, rather than Russiann spending time readjusting salaries at the end of each season.

And of course at all times every club must be under the salary cap when they finalise their list for the comng season.

Thoughts?
 
Russian said:
Recovered this pre-edit out of my email, I was going to put up a few proposals for voting this week but since I didn't read the comments to this last time I won't do it yet - that means trade time will probably be delayed a bit further. Discuss again

Roylion's idea:
An idea I'd like to see added is length of contracts. This would add to the list management aspect of the game and gve us all a little more to think aabout come trade time.

It might work a little like the following..

If a player signs for two years - this is regarded as a standard contract and the price is what has been decided.

If a club wants to sign a player for three years - 10% is added on to the
player's standard contracted salary, as currently stated. This amount is paid every year.
Four years - 25% is added to the player's standard contracted salary and paid each year,
Five years - 50% is added to player's standard contracted two year salary and paid every year.
One year - 10% is taken off the players current contract value. (minimum salary is still whatever has been set. No player can be paid less than this at any time.)

It would be assumed that once the contract prices for 2007 have been worked out by Russian, that these prices would be for a two year standard contract. Coaches would then work out who they want to sign and for how long and then adjust the prices accordingly. All clubs would be assumed for this first year of contracts to automatically sign their players, if they are offered two year contracts or longer. For this first year, bidding would be allowed on players offered only a one year contract by their existing clubs.

Bidding and trading would be held concurrently. Clubs may decide to come to a trade deal, rather than forcing the price of a player.

At the end of the contract, the club with which the player is currently signed can make a new offer to the player, which may be more or less than he gets now. All offers by all clubs to uncontracted players would be publicised and other clubs could make the player a larger offer. Effectively the uncontracted player is looking round at other clubs at the end of his contract. If there is no interest then otherwise the price is locked in for the period of time he signed on for. Effectively uuncontracted player would be bidded for, wiith the current club holding the right of last bid (in other words all they need to do is match the bid). An unmatched bid means the player leaves his original club and goes to the club which made the bid. The club must allocate a PSD draft pick to the new player in order to pick him up.

Of course a player can be delisted by their club at the end of a contract in which case they become a Free Agent as per normal and are free to enter the National Draft or the PSD.

Players contracted for any length of time could be still of course be traded and to make it easier for Russian, a player's existing contract MUST be paid in full by his new club for however long the contract lasts for.

This means of course that over-bidding can only take place for players out of contract (and only after clubs have offered them a new two year standard deal - in other words reset the player's price). Any player re-signed by their club for a two year deal, which is then reduced to a one year deal (minus 10%) to save their club money can be approached by other clubs to come to them for their original two year deal at the standard price.

Rookies will be assumed to be out of contract at the end of the season. Elevated rookies must be offered a minimum two year contract to stay on the list,, but like any other uncontracted player can be bid for by other clubs, except for this first year.

For the purposes of the game, clubs cannot offer contract extensions to players already in contracts. A new offer can only be made at the end of a contract.

So as an example of the above:
Player A who has gone from Collingwood to Carlton on a base two year contract is keen to continue his career with Carlton. Carlton are also keen and decides to offer a three year contract instead of the two. As Player A has come to Carlton on a $230,000 two year contract, 10% needs to be added to his base contract, bringing his contract up to $253,000 ($230,000 + $23,000). Player A is now signed for this Season and the next two seasons. He can still be traded though at his new salary of $253,000 for the remaining years of his contract.

Meanwhile at Collingwood, they are still having significant salary cap problems. Collingwood decide to offer Player B's only a one year contract, shaving 10% of the salary of $150,000 to $135,000. Player B is not happy at the reduction of his wages and security and he begins looking around for new clubs. This means that other clubs can now offer him new deals. Essendon offer Player B $160,000 on a two year deal and as no other club offers anymore than that (and his original club does not match it), Essendon commits Pick 5 in the pre-season draft for him and takes him with that Pick. Collingwood make an extra pick in the pre-season draft to bring their list up to the required minimum or alternatively they could elevate one of their rookies. Had there been no offer from other clubs for Player B after his contract reduction, he would have had to stay with Collingwood, and look for a new club when he was out of contract.

I'd like to see something like this introduced as it would add another dimension to list management as well as even up the competition more rapidly as clubs with a little bit of salary cap space may be able to 'poach' players from those facing a salarry cap squeeze. In other words, offer too much now and you may feel the pinch in a couple of years.

The other good thing about this type of system, is that eventually all players will be worth what the market says they are worth, rather than Russiann spending time readjusting salaries at the end of each season.

And of course at all times every club must be under the salary cap when they finalise their list for the comng season.

Thoughts?
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Sounds ok. Might be a bit difficlut to understand but seems reasonable.
 
Certainly appreciate the effort to put some thought process through it all, but my initial fear is how potentially messy it could get.

I mean, what exactly is the ultimate aim we're trying to reach? Adding another dimension to the game is fine, I've no qualms, but I just feel with this proposed system, we're effectively turning over the entire game into a sign/bid system. Simply my opinion, but I'm fairly happy with the game as it stands now.

Secondly, are we trying to even up the competition? I think, as it stands, the stronger clubs will eventually be forced to trade off/delist players to stave off salary cap pressure. This, in effect, will reach the same conclusion as the proposed system, and bring clubs to level grounds in any case. That, and smart trading (which I think I've proven - just look at my list from roughly 2 seasons back).

I'd like to consider myself one of the stronger lists going around, but with that comes the salary cap pressures. I've got some younger guys coming through who I've got to plan for salary-wise. That means I've got to be prepared to rid of some of my more expensive (and subsequent "better" players). A turnover system right there.

I guess I'm just not pro-big changes. There's so many other games hopping around revolving around drafting your own lists, signing players etc, I don't really see the need for this one to join in.
 
I'm a big fan of the proposed change, had a few modifications to it posted but can't be bothered doing again now, perhaps Roylion can remember.

Regardless, good idea which should be implemented as it introduces a new dimension to the game and evens out the comp more. But the game itself stays pretty similar and it's optional whether or not to chase players, so those who don't like it (they'll end up liking it anyway, GeeCat do you use a computer from 1989 which is stuck on Windows95 ;) ) aren't disadvantaged.
 
Each to their own mate.

I guess I just question the whole incentive to even the comp out. I've mentioned how I believe the comp evens out naturally as it stands now system-wise, but even so, I get the feeling that, proposal change or not, we'll be down this same track in the future. Just seems abit like a knee-jerk reaction to influx of new coaches (understandably, I suppose).

In any case, I hope to get the off-season moving soon. I've got exams/overseas trip planned ahead in the next few weeks/month.
 
I like some of the new changes, with the whole bidding process for out of contract players adding to salary cap pressure, and more changes to lists as a result

Thats the only one I like (with the 1-5 year rising value table was a good example...)

Also, not a fan of increasing teams from 18 to 20, due to already most teams have trouble filling a side towards the end of year...
 
This is a revamped proposal with the changes I could remember from comments made. I've added a couple of new examples in as well.

All players will have a length of contract for a period of 1-5 seasons. At the end of a contract, an uncontracted player may be bid for by his existing club. The highest bid wins and the player joins the winning club on that contract which will be paid to him each season.

All clubs will post their new offers to un-contracted players. Of course they can merely decide to delist player which become Free Agents.

If a player signs for two years - this is regarded as a standard contract and the price is what has been decided.

If a club manages to poach a player and subsequently decides that they want to sign a player for three years - 10% is added on to the player's standard contracted salary, as currently stated. This amount is paid every year .For example if a club manages to get a player to join the club for $100,000 and then decides it wants to lengthen that contract to three years, they add 10% and the player is signed for $110,000 to be paid each year for the next three years.

Four years - 25% is added to the player's standard contracted salary and paid each yea;,
Five years - 50% is added to player's standard contracted two year salary and paid every year.
One year - 10% is taken off the player’s current contract value. (minimum salary is still whatever has been set by Russian (for example $30,000). No player can be paid less than this at any time.) Poached players can be signed for one year. If a club offers the same amount of money, but on a longer contract the out of contract player will always take that offer. Out of contract players at a club may agree to a one year contract with their existing club if there is no other interest from other clubs.

To get the system going, it would be assumed that once the contract prices for 2007 have been worked out by Russian, that these prices would be for a two year standard contract. Coaches would then work out who they want to sign and for how long and then adjust the prices accordingly. All clubs would be assumed for this first year of the contract system to automatically sign their players, if they are offered two year contracts or longer. For this first year, bidding would be allowed on players offered only a one year contract by their existing clubs.

Bidding and trading would be held concurrently. Clubs may decide to come to a trade deal, rather than disadvantaging themselves by forcing the price of a player up. Once traded, that player cannot be the subject of any more bids by other clubs until their contract expires. This is to encourage clubs to seek a mutually beneficial trade. Only after the trade is announced and confirmed is the out of contract player considered “safe” from further bids during the bidding-trading period.

The bidding might work like this

For example:

James Bartel from Geelong is out of contract and my club the Carlton Lions is interested in picking him up. His out of contract salary is $395,000 and Geelong have offered him a two year contract at that price.

1) Carlton offer $395,000 + $30,000 for Bartel bringing his salary to $425,000.
2) The Geelong coach matches Carlton’s bid with an offer of $425,000 for two years.
3) Carlton then think...hmm well I've still got a little bit under my salary cap. I'll offer Bartel $455,000. ($425,000 + $30,000)
4) Geelong offers a three year contract instead of two at $425,000. Bartel now has a salary of $425,000 + 10% = $467,500.
5) Carlton give up, due to other club's offers for their out of contract other players that I want to counterbid.
6) Another club now offers $497,500 and three years for Bartel. $467,000 + $30,000
7) Geelong counters it. Bartel now has a salary of $497,500, which will be paid yearly for the next three years.
There are no further offers. Bartel is signed for three years by you at the end of the bidding and trading period on $485,000

How it would work in concurrence with the trading system

For example:

1) Carlton offer $395,000 + $30,000 for Bartel bringing his salary to $425,000.
2) Geelong counter it with $425,000 within the required 48 hours. Once this counterbid is made it is permanent.
3) Carlton then think...hmm well I've still got a little bit under my salary cap. I'll offer Bartel $455,000.
4) Geelong now decide this is getting a little expensive with Bartel now having a salary of $455,000. They decide to negotiate Bartel as a possible trade to Carlton, rather than possibly lose him for nothing. Carlton are also happy to negotiate rather than forcing the price even higher, which means they have less movement to counter-bid offers on their un-contracted players. It also means that if Carlton has paid too much for Bartel, Geelong has a considerable amount of freed up money for which to bid on Carlton’s required un-contracted players.

5) After considerable negotiation, where Geelong threatens to make a counter-bid taking Bartel out of Carlton’s reach and Carlton make threats to make an even higher bid for Bartel, Bartel at $455,000 for 2 years is traded to Carlton for a high draft pick and Michael Rischitelli who has a salary of $240,000. Both Bartel and Rischitelli are now non-bid players. In other words they cannot be bid for by other coaches. Bartel is signed for two years by Carlton @ $455,000 and Geelong signs Rischitelli for three years on $264,000. ($240,000 + 10%). They cannot be poached by other clubs until the end of their contracts, where the whole process starts again.

Clubs CANNOT decide to just give players to other clubs for free, if they can't match the bid. They must be traded for.

At the end of the contract, the club with which the player is currently signed can make a new offer to the player, which may be more or less than he gets now. All offers by all clubs to un-contracted players would be publicised and other clubs could make the player a larger offer.

Effectively the un-contracted player is looking round at other clubs at the end of his contract. . The un-contracted player would be bidded for, with the current club holding the right of last bid (in other words all they need to do is match the bid). An unmatched bid, after a certain time, (say 48 hours) means the player leaves his original club and goes to the club which made the bid. If there is no interest from other clubs for any un-contracted player then the original club can sign that player for the amount offered and the contract length offered at the end of the trade / bidding period.

Bid must be in at least $30,00 increments (otherwise we’ll get overbids of $10 or other silly which will be too difficult to keep track of) or 1 year contract increases or both.

Of course a player can be delisted by their club at the end of a contract in which case they become a Free Agent as per normal and are free to enter the National Draft or the PS, where any club can pick them up, as per the draft order.

Players contracted for any length of time could be still of course be traded and to make it easier for Russian, a player's existing contract MUST be paid in full by his new club for however long the contract lasts for.

This means of course that bidding can only take place for players out of contract (and only after the current club have offered them a new deal - in other words reset the player's price). Any un-contracted player offered a new one year deal (minus 10%) to save their club money can be approached by other clubs to come to them for either a higher contract price or a longer contract deal or both. Highest bid of course wins

Real retired players (announced at the end of each season) would also automatically retire. They still have to be paid out in the years of their contracts. This rule is to prevent aged players from being signed to unrealistic contracts. Sacked players in real life would still have to be paid out as per normal, if they were also sacked from a real AFL list. In other words don't sign fringe players for too long a contract....it may come back to bite.

Players placed on each club’s veterans list may be signed for one year. These cannot be bid for by other clubs. The simulates the loyalty shown by players that have played with the club for a long period of time. Each club can have two veterans.

The club that poaches a player, must allocate a PSD draft pick to the poached player in order to pick him up. This rule is to prevent silly bids. In other words if a club has three PSD selections they can make three successful offers for players. This also means that National Draft selections will need to be made carefully.

Rookies will be assumed to be out of contract at the end of the season. Elevated rookies must be offered a minimum two year contract to stay on the list, but like any other un-contracted player can be bid for by other clubs, except for this first year.

For the purposes of the game, clubs cannot offer contract extensions to players already in contracts. A new offer can only be made at the end of a contract.

So as an example of the above:
Player A who has gone from Collingwood to Carlton on a base two year contract is keen to continue his career with Carlton. Carlton are also keen and decides to offer a three year contract instead of the two. As Player A has come to Carlton on a $230,000 two year contract, 10% needs to be added to his base contract, bringing his contract up to $253,000 ($230,000 + $23,000). Player A is now signed for this Season and the next two seasons. He can still be traded though at his new salary of $253,000 for the remaining years of his contract.

Meanwhile at Collingwood, they are still having significant salary cap problems. Collingwood decide to offer Player B's only a one year contract, shaving 10% of the salary of $150,000 to $135,000. Player B is not happy at the reduction of his wages and security and he begins looking around for new clubs. This means that other clubs can now offer him new deals. Essendon offer Player B $160,000 on a two year deal and as no other club offers anymore than that (and his original club does not match it), Essendon commits Pick 5 in the pre-season draft for him and takes him with that Pick. Collingwood make an extra pick in the pre-season draft to bring their list up to the required minimum or alternatively they could elevate one of their rookies. Had there been no offer from other clubs for Player B after his contract reduction, he would have had to stay with Collingwood, and look for a new club when he was out of contract.

I'd like to see something like this introduced as it would add another dimension to list management as well as even up the competition more rapidly as clubs with a little bit of salary cap space may be able to 'poach' players from those facing a salarry cap squeeze. In other words, offer too much now and you may feel the pinch in a couple of years.

The other good thing about this type of system, is that eventually all players will be worth what the market says they are worth, rather than Russian spending time readjusting salaries at the end of each season.

And of course at all times every club must be under the salary cap when they finalise their list for the coming season.

So to make all this work, the off-season would consist of the following:

1. All clubs announce their contract lengths for their current list and announce delistings. It is assumed that all existing contract amounts stand and that all are for two year contracts. Clubs may increase or decrease their contract lengths from the standard two years with the resultant increase or decrease in contract amounts.
2. Trading/Bidding period (all bids and trades done in this period). All those players on one year contracts (for this off-season only) may be bid for. Normally this wouldn’t happen and is only happening this year to get the ball rolling.
2. Final Delistings (no player traded or poached during the Trading/Bidding period can be delisted)
3. National Draft (as normal - all delisted players eligible)
4. Pre-Season draft - to top up lists (if needed). Clubs that made successful offers to uncontracted players to take those players with first pre-season draft pick (in order of contract size), in the same way clubs make PSD commitments to out of contract players. Otherwise any remaining free agents can be drafted by a club with space on their list)
 

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