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Hang on we can't criticize him too much. Because then we will have the fanboys running in here accusing us of having an agenda against players. He has no skills, I am sure he is a nice person off the field, but he is a dud on it. And I pay and have paid my membership even when I was living overseas to this club. And I am entitled to criticize players who can't get the basic skills right. But it's not just JR, Stevens is another one, he steals his pay from us. He dosen't want to play for the Carlton Football Club, everytime I see him on the field all I see is him jogging on the spot pretending to be working hard. I can handel the fact that is a soft outside player. But Ican;t handel the fact that for someone with supposed elite kicking skills continually turning the ball over, fine example he is to our young kids.
 
Did you see his clanger kicks in the first quarter and his other efforts? But yeah whatever.
 

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This whole nonsense of fans having 'anti JR' agendas should be put to bed forever tonight, even the mostly impartial/tolerant fans on this board agree he should be demoted to the Bullants after the poor performance he has put in the last month or so ...

I really get annoyed with the term 'agendas' in fact, I would argue the pro-JR fans are the ones more likely to have an 'agenda' if anything, esp if you don't think he should be dropped after today, then certainly on must have an 'pro-JR' agenda.
 
Alpha1 said:
Did you see his clanger kicks in the first quarter and his other efforts? But yeah whatever.
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my prob is not when he has the ball but when he does not and it is in 100m of him
 
Yeah I know guns but a few people don't see that. He makes a packet of money from us, he is not a very good example to our kids. And I am worried that kids like Gibbs etc look up to him a tad too much.
 
celtic_pride said:
This whole nonsense of fans having 'anti JR' agendas should be put to bed forever tonight, even the mostly impartial/tolerant fans on this board agree he should be demoted to the Bullants after the poor performance he has put in the last month or so ...

I really get annoyed with the term 'agendas' in fact, I would argue the pro-JR fans are the ones more likely to have an 'agenda' if anything, esp if you don't think he should be dropped after today, then certainly on must have an 'pro-JR' agenda.
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I get really annoyed with one of our own supporters going onto the main board and calling one of our own players rubbish, but hey.....

By the way, agenda is probably too soft a word for some of the vitriolic, irrational and plain nasty comments I have seen directed towards some of our players on this board over the years. Vendetta is far more appropriate.

FYI, I am coming from the position of someone who likes to stick up for players who cop the hysterical crap from the heroic masses on this board. I have no position "for" or "against" Jordan Russell to be honest, nor Nick Stevens for that matter. I am happy to leave those decisions in the hands of Ratten and the match committee, as I don't pretend for one minute to either be, or know, better than them.

Whilst he is in the side I will hope he does well - as I do for all our players. If he is dropped, so be it. I can't help but think however that some on here are just hoping that he (and any others they may dislike) perform poorly so they can "maintain the rage" towards the individuals concerned so to speak. If true, that is a pathetic attitude.

I want to see the club succeed as much as the next supporter. I just have a different way of going about it - one which doesn't involve continually bagging out our own players and going on hysterical, angry rants in the process.
 
So I guess we must all say positive things about our pathetic displays. We must jump up and down with joy when we see our soft player in the leadership group, not doing the 1% things, or turning the ball over and making terrible disposal errors year after year. Or the same player make the same mistakes every year, every game, every week. Yes people lets all rejoice in the pathetic display of our team. Lets make excuse for them every year, let our great club be a miserable failure. Yes lets all start posting how wonderful we are when we lose, and how happy we are when we see no improvement in some players. Lets REJOICE in our mediocrity
 
blue gunslinger said:
who went on the main board?
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Oh I agreed with JeffDunne on the Carlton has no depth thread by saying I agree that Jordan Russell is Rubbish ...

I would say now, on exposed form he should be dropped, and leave it at that, but surely there are different rules and expecations for posting in the main AFL board and Club boards ...

And furthermore the majority of Carlton fans here tonight have posted that JR should be dropped (forget all the other hysterical hyperbole for a moment) that is a fair assessment on exposed form ...

On the main board (and others like Bay 13) surely I reserve the right to post/offer the opinion that JR is rubbish etc, it probably makes me a bad supporter I'll accept that, but it's not controvening any Carlton board rules.

If I were to just say now JR was rubbish and other unsubstantiated opinions masquerading as 'facts', that is against the Carlton Board rules, but I should have the freedom to post what I feel/think in other boards on BF, without having to apologise or justify it ..
 

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Alpha1 said:
So I guess we must all say positive things about our pathetic displays. We must jump up and down with joy when we see our soft player in the leadership group, not doing the 1% things, or turning the ball over and making terrible disposal errors year after year. Or the same player make the same mistakes every year, every game, every week. Yes people lets all rejoice in the pathetic display of our team. Lets make excuse for them every year, let our great club be a miserable failure. Yes lets all start posting how wonderful we are when we lose, and how happy we are when we see no improvement in some players. Lets REJOICE in our mediocrity
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Chill before you blow a fuse Alpha. :p
 
celtic_pride said:
I really get annoyed with the term 'agendas' in fact, I would argue the pro-JR fans are the ones more likely to have an 'agenda' if anything, esp if you don't think he should be dropped after today, then certainly on must have an 'pro-JR' agenda.
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With all due respect c_p, you have said in the past on more than one occasion that you'd like to see x player fail because you'll have been vindicated in your criticism of them.
 
Yeah I love the Blues, but I don't like the way we lose. I don't like how a few players seem to have taken their place for granted. It's not what the Carlton Football Club stands for, it never did in the past. Hence our success, that is why we are the most successful club in the comp. That is why Collingwood is a club which will never amount to anything, because they tolerate mediocrity and look where it's got them now. We will become like the Collingwoods, Richmond etc if we aren't careful.
 
celtic_pride said:
Oh I agreed with JeffDunne on the Carlton has no depth thread by saying I agree that Jordan Russell is Rubbish ...
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Well, that's blasphemy in itself.....:D

celtic_pride said:
I would say now, on exposed form he should be dropped, and leave it at that, but surely there are different rules and expecations for posting in the main AFL board and Club boards ...

And furthermore the majority of Carlton fans here tonight have posted that JR should be dropped (forget all the other hysterical hyperbole for a moment) that is a fair assessment on exposed form ...
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I don't have the slightest objection if Russell gets dropped.
celtic_pride said:
On the main board (and others like Bay 13) surely I reserve the right to post/offer the opinion that JR is rubbish etc, it probably makes me a bad supporter I'll accept that, but it's not controvening any Carlton board rules.

If I were to just say now JR was rubbish and other unsubstantiated opinions masquerading as 'facts', that is against the Carlton Board rules, but I should have the freedom to post what I feel/think in other boards on BF, without having to apologise or justify it ..
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I am not playing the good supporter/bad supporter game, I just said I find it annoying.

It is just that you posted in another thread that saying that sort of thing about one of our players on the Carlton board is not on. So when you went and did it yourself elsewhere the irony didn't escape me.
 

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If I was referring to something overly courageous then I would have said at least Russell is outrageously courageous. I simply said that he shows some toughness that in no way could be taken as him doing overly courageous acts.
 
Some Idiot said:
If I was referring to something overly courageous then I would have said at least Russell is outrageously courageous. I simply said that he shows some toughness that in no way could be taken as him doing overly courageous acts.
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Well that would be the only way i could think you'd be talking about JR, tell me where he exemplified "toughness" then mate.
 
Some Idiot said:
He put his head over the ball unlike a lot of Carlton players, He Wiggins and youngsters such as Mitch Robinson and Yarran put their head over the ball unlike the likes of Gibbs and Simpson.
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Simpson struggled today but i don't think i remember any instance where he backed out of a contest, could be wrong though.

Also i don't think i can recall Russell ever putting his head over the ball, but as i said, could be wrong about that.
 

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