Russian Airbus A321 Crashes in Egypt

[Allikat]

I'm not an aviation expert but the rise of budget airlines the last 20 years, more 'open skies' access for airlines, and the economic improvement in China and India (enormous countries) probably means there's more planes in the air than ever before and thus more crashes.

I am a bit of an aviation expert, and while there are more planes in the air than ever before, the technology & safety standards have increased massively making it so much safer to fly. Just because an airline's budget doesn't mean that they're unsafe. Tiger have some of the newest planes in Australia. And the major Chinese airlines' standards are high enough to be allowed to fly here.

But on the other hand, there's been more crashes of larger planes. Which when you take into account how they've gone down, it's not flying that's the issue, but where planes are being flown. E.g. over conflict zones.

The actual number of incidents has been steadily going down over the past 30-40 years. Including this year & last. Unfortunately though because of the size of the planes, particularly the Malaysians, the number of fatalities has gone up.

 

[Allikat]

We should have some form of bf referendum on this because we ask for one all the time!

Only if I'm mod

 

[rippersnipper]

Only if I'm mod

You probably know more than anyone else so it would make sense

 

[Allikat]

You probably know more than anyone else so it would make sense

I actually started working in aviation specifically to increase my mod chances

 

[rippersnipper]

I actually started working in aviation specifically to increase my mod chances

Bf is life

 

[PowerbaII]

ISIS have claimed responsibility for the crash.

 

[Lums23]

ISIS have claimed responsibility for the crash.

Legit or troll?

 

[Plugger35]

Legit or troll?

They claimed responsibility for it but I don't think they are buying it.

A lot of terrorist groups like to claim responsibility for shit like that when they had nothing to do with it.

 

[Allikat]

ISIS have claimed responsibility for the crash.

Obviously this is being looked at but it looks unlikely. The plane was flying too high for any ground-based missiles to hit the plane. And there's no evidence of a missile hit on the plane. If you look at MH17 it was torn into pieces mid-air, and there were missile scars all over the body. In this case the plane's come down in a couple of large pieces, and the debris field is relatively small, only a couple of miles across, indicating that the plane started falling relatively intact.

From what I've seen & heard so far, it could be a break up due to a faulty repair on a tailstrike from years earlier. Sounds like it was strong enough that it probably should've been written off. Plus, dodgy Russian airline, so who knows what their repairs & inspections are like. Similar things have happened before where planes have crashed due to shitty repairs from a tailstrike years (or decades) earlier, e.g. China Air 611.

 

[PowerbaII]

Legit or troll?

Not a troll. Muslims associated with ISIS in Egypt claimed responsibility. An actual cause of the crash is obviously not yet determined though.

 

[little graham]

Legit or troll?

Poster refuses to accept ISIS are actually americans, supplied, funded, trained and financed by Israeli's, Americans, Saudi's and Jordan.

Technically he's a troll because he uses ISIS to push anti Islamic crap.

 

[little graham]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ls-say-investigators-frantically-search-clues

Interesting.

 

[brahj]

God damn it, Ukraine. You could have waited.

 

[Allikat]

OH MY GOD IT WAS NOT ISIS FFS.

Seriously, an aviation board would be a disaster because it'd just be full of shit conspiracy theorists.

 

[Plugger35]

I'd certainly be thinking twice before flying on any Russian airlines, they seem to have more crashes than any other country.

Pretty sure it was a Russian airline that crashed when one of the pilots let his young son take the controls and put the plane into a fatal nosedive.

You'd be stoked hearing that news if you were one of the grieving relatives.

 

[brahj]

OH MY GOD IT WAS NOT ISIS FFS.

Seriously, an aviation board would be a disaster because it'd just be full of shit conspiracy theorists.

A majority of the discussion would still happen here anyway.

 

[True__Believer]

I'd certainly be thinking twice before flying on any Russian airlines, they seem to have more crashes than any other country.

Pretty sure it was a Russian airline that crashed when one of the pilots let his young son take the controls and put the plane into a fatal nosedive.

You'd be stoked hearing that news if you were one of the grieving relatives.

You would think so, but no. This incident is the biggest ever loss of life from a Russian plane crash.

 

[Plugger35]

You would think so, but no. This incident is the biggest ever loss of life from a Russian plane crash.

That's surprising as they've had a few big airline crashes.

 

[little graham]

That's surprising as they've had a few big airline crashes.

Do you remember the 4 plane crashes in America, in one day in 2001. We never got a satisfactory explanation to what happened.

 

[Plugger35]

Do you remember the 4 plane crashes in America, in one day in 2001. We never got a satisfactory explanation to what happened.

Pretty sure they were hijacked by terrorists.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I'd certainly be thinking twice before flying on any Russian airlines, they seem to have more crashes than any other country.

Pretty sure it was a Russian airline that crashed when one of the pilots let his young son take the controls and put the plane into a fatal nosedive.

You'd be stoked hearing that news if you were one of the grieving relatives.

Hey, I've actually flown Aeroflot before - from Moscow to HEL! (sinki, that is).

I lived

 

[Allikat]

Hey, I've actually flown Aeroflot before - from Moscow to HEL! (sinki, that is).

I lived

Aeroflot's not bad. Generally with airlines if they're allowed to fly into the major hubs i.e. Australia, UK, US, Dubai, then they'll usually have pretty good safety standards.

 

[rippersnipper]

IS are just shitstirring. Read that initially they weren't even sure if it had crashed as apparently it showed up on radar in Turkish airspace or something. Turns out that must have been a false sighting or something.

 

[Allikat]

IS are just shitstirring. Read that initially they weren't even sure if it had crashed as apparently it showed up on radar in Turkish airspace or something. Turns out that must have been a false sighting or something.

There were a lot of weird rumours early on. There was even one that the plane had landed successfully in Turkey. That's why I always like to wait until you see actual facts, like real radar feeds, flightradar replays, and pictures.

 

[rippersnipper]

There were a lot of weird rumours early on. There was even one that the plane had landed successfully in Turkey. That's why I always like to wait until you see actual facts, like real radar feeds, flightradar replays, and pictures.

Tbf I'm not sure than actually afford real radar in some of these areas. Bloody flightradar24 on my phone is probably more accurate than anything they've got.