Ryan Griffen

[James23]

I'd like Knights at the Dogs since we don't have enough lefties, any chance he will return to Victoria?

Griffen is too good to let go but we might be able to get a 3 way trade going.

Strong possibility imo

Knights + first rounder = Griffin?

 

[Mismatched]

Ignore the insecure/rude bulldog supporters posting here:

Griffen is out of contract and is refusing to sign until the end of the year, unfortunately that means he might want to return to adelaide. I would love dangerfield but he is untouchable so I dont know what player or combinations you can entice.

If it is PA I would not mind one of Boak or Gray plus a pick of some sort.

Both have recently signed so I think you've got currently got buckly's there, although they certainly are the two out at Port that I most want at the Crows, especially Gray.

How about Gunston?

Or to be really controversial but get guys to the table and talking.. Henderson?

I'd be prepared to sit down and discuss both with the dogs. (sorry lads I don't have a say ;P)

Henderson is quickly becoming an untouchable IMO, so I really would rather us not do that.

If Bock were to decide that he would be happy to move to the Bulldogs (instead of GC as is being mooted and thats assuming he wants to move at all), I think Bock and our 1st rounder would be required to grab Griffen, might even require more than that.

However, I'm not sure the Bulldogs would be terribly keen on Bock, their KPD stocks aren't too bad. It'd probably require a 3-way trade where we end up sending our first rounder to the Dogs and Bock elsewhere, with the compensation for Bock going to the Bulldogs as well.

Considering Griffen has supposedly not signed, we definitely need to going great guns to see if we can convince to come home. I'm not one who agree's with trading for tradings sake, we don't have any massive weaknesses that could be fixed through a low grade trade. If we trade, it needs to be for an A-Grade player, not just any old B-grader.

 

[JB17]

Knights + 1st rounder for griffen + 2nd rounder

fairest deal imo

 

[Allefgib]

Both have recently signed so I think you've got currently got buckly's there, although they certainly are the two out at Port that I most want at the Crows, especially Gray.



Henderson is quickly becoming an untouchable IMO, so I really would rather us not do that.

If Bock were to decide that he would be happy to move to the Bulldogs (instead of GC as is being mooted and thats assuming he wants to move at all), I think Bock and our 1st rounder would be required to grab Griffen, might even require more than that.

However, I'm not sure the Bulldogs would be terribly keen on Bock, their KPD stocks aren't too bad. It'd probably require a 3-way trade where we end up sending our first rounder to the Dogs and Bock elsewhere, with the compensation for Bock going to the Bulldogs as well.

Considering Griffen has supposedly not signed, we definitely need to going great guns to see if we can convince to come home. I'm not one who agree's with trading for tradings sake, we don't have any massive weaknesses that could be fixed through a low grade trade. If we trade, it needs to be for an A-Grade player, not just any old B-grader.

I agree Henderson fast winning his way into our hearts and minds. Thats the kinda risk taking deal it would take though I think.

Hendo - tons of potential but ultimately a wildcard at this point in his career. TONS of potentail though.

Griffen - proven gun midfielder we desperately need.

Gunston, Bock and a 2nd rounder?

 

[King Elvis]

Knights + 1st rounder for griffen + 2nd rounder

fairest deal imo

Knights + 2nd Round for Griff.

Knights and a first rounder is too much - again, with the qualifier that Griff wants to come home.

BigFella - if we'd recruited Hendo in the real draft, based on current performance, you'd think he was a first rounder; but because we picked him up as a rookie, he doesn't yet have the perception of value about him that a real first type would.

 

[Pariah]

He's already donning the tri-colours.

You can't have him.

Or is this another fanciful 'we'll get Pavlich and Gibbs notion'?

With Lake, Morris and Williams down back I don't think we'll be trading Griff for Bock. Draft picks are useless for us also due to fact it's a lock we'll be getting Wallace and Libba F/S.

Griff's very damaging. Very happy we have him wearing the tri-colours

Your club might not get Wallace and Libba with the compromised draft a lot of clubs including Gold Coast might be prepared to give up a high draft pick to out bid the Doggies under the current father son rule.

 

[Werewolf]

Griffen is too good to let go but we might be able to get a 3 way trade going.

Just to clarify, I meant we could trade someone else (not Griffen ). I'd hate to see him play for anyone else.

Interested in Stack? What about Eagleton?

 

[Allefgib]

Knights + 2nd Round for Griff.

Knights and a first rounder is too much - again, with the qualifier that Griff wants to come home.

BigFella - if we'd recruited Hendo in the real draft, based on current performance, you'd think he was a first rounder; but because we picked him up as a rookie, he doesn't yet have the perception of value about him that a real first type would.

Gotcha - perception only.

Look, he'd be a wildcard, but the bullies can see as much as we can what he is putting on the table. If they need medium sized forwards who are young and could be anything - he's all that.

I reckon you'd at least get a discussion out of it from them rather than some of the suggestions others are putting up involving Bock...

 

[Royale]

IF (and it's a big one) the Griff were on the table i'd be looking at one of your key forwards (Walker or Tippet) plus some sort of draft pick. Hall is obviously getting on in years. What we have in plenty of supply are inside midfielders so Griff's run and carry is extremely important to us. Figure on a high draft pick.

 

[King Elvis]

IF (and it's a big one) the Griff were on the table i'd be looking at one of your key forwards (Walker or Tippet) plus some sort of draft pick. Hall is obviously getting on in years. What we have in plenty of supply are inside midfielders so Griff's run and carry is extremely important to us. Figure on a high draft pick.

So Tippett for your first rounder and Griffen?

No thanks.

 

[James23]

IF (and it's a big one) the Griff were on the table i'd be looking at one of your key forwards (Walker or Tippet) plus some sort of draft pick. Hall is obviously getting on in years. What we have in plenty of supply are inside midfielders so Griff's run and carry is extremely important to us. Figure on a high draft pick.

Just making sure were on the same page here... you would want Tippett or Walker, PLUS a draft pick

Midfielders are a dime a dozen, you dont come across talents like Tippett or Walker very often

 

[Royale]

Midfielders the calibre of the cyclops are not a dime a dozen. Tippet / Walker are still unproven consistent performers. I'm just being fair. I'd rather not lose him at all. But that's what these hypotheticals are for. We have an outstanding defence and a tonne of quality midfielders. So the obvious choice is another key forward. And a straight trade for a proven elite midfielder for either forward i've identified is obviously not kosher. So there's your draft pick.

 

[King Elvis]

Midfielders the calibre of the cyclops are not a dime a dozen.

Compared to a 202CM key forward, they are.

If there was a draft pick, it'd be coming to us, not you.

But, again, you're missing the point; if Griff desperately wants to come home, because he's homesick, then we aren't going to be paying over the odds to get him here.

If he doesn't want to come home, or doesn't mind, then we would have to pay over the odds, and we wouldn't.

 

[Glenno23]

Walker and Tippett= Untouchable

There are maybe 3 players in the league i would trade them for.

Too young with too much potential. Something the Crows have lacked since Modra

 

[King Elvis]

Who are the 3 players?

 

[Vader]

Knights + 1st rounder for griffen + 2nd rounder

fairest deal imo

Fairest deal I've seen in this entire thread.

Alternatively Bock + Adelaide's 1st pick for Griffen

Bulldogs fans hoping to get their mits on Dangermouse, Tippett or Walker are just plain kidding themselves. For starters, none of them are going to be traded - and even if they were it would be Dangermouse/Tippett/Walker for Griffen + Footscray picks.

Your club might not get Wallace and Libba with the compromised draft a lot of clubs including Gold Coast might be prepared to give up a high draft pick to out bid the Doggies under the current father son rule.

I don't think you understand how the bidding system works. Wallace & Libba are signed, sealed and delivered.

Henderson was a rookie pick, therefore, under the trade system, he isn't worth much.

Not sure what you mean by this. As of last year, rookies can be traded the same as any other player - the only catch is that the club who receives them must put them on their senior list. Mumford went through this very process last year.

Where a player was drafted 2 years ago has very little to do with their current trade value.

The only club where this is a consideration is GC, with the AFL's compensation draft picks (where draft position IS a factor if a player has been around for < 4 years). Certainly not the case for Footscray.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27466321-5018851,00.html

as per the article Ryan is yet to resign with the Bulldogs and the GC option seems unlikely given the rumours that a WB player has already signed with the GC club

will the crows have a crack?

 

[TDRP]

Richard Douglas + Chris Knights = Ryan Griffen

That'd be more than fair and I'd accept it if those 2 are homesick themselves. It'd be prudent for our operations manager to get a very good gague on who wants to head to victoria at seasons end. If we have to lose players interstate then Ryan Griffen is perfect compensation.

Both Douglas and Knighta remain uncontracted beyond seasons end.

I'd prefer:

Douglas + 1st Rounder = Ryan Griffen... but if we have to lose Knights then so be it.

 

[afc1991]

When the Griffin rumor was thrown up at the start of the year wasn't he keen on Port? He may have a bad perception about the crows given Welsh and Hudson's circumstances.

 

[Alex99]

What we get for Nathan Bock (because its 99% he’s GC bound) + Chris Knights for Griffen.

Anyone know if he was a close confidant to Jason Akermanis?

The way Akermanis was speaking, that person who was sending him text messages as a show of support was out of contract so unwilling to say anything. Now, that could just be Akker talking his usual shit but there could be some truth. Does anyone know if the two were close mates?

 

[danger_to_walker]

What we get for Nathan Bock (because its 99% he’s GC bound) + Chris Knights for Griffen.

Anyone know if he was a close confidant to Jason Akermanis?

The way Akermanis was speaking, that person who was sending him text messages as a show of support was out of contract so unwilling to say anything. Now, that could just be Akker talking his usual shit but there could be some truth. Does anyone know if the two were close mates?

The problem there being that what we receive for Nathan Bock (if he is taken as an uncontracted player) is unable to be used until 2012, unless I am reading the GC drafting rules incorrectly?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Richard Douglas + Chris Knights = Ryan Griffen

That'd be more than fair and I'd accept it if those 2 are homesick themselves. It'd be prudent for our operations manager to get a very good gague on who wants to head to victoria at seasons end. If we have to lose players interstate then Ryan Griffen is perfect compensation.

Both Douglas and Knighta remain uncontracted beyond seasons end.

I'd prefer:

Douglas + 1st Rounder = Ryan Griffen... but if we have to lose Knights then so be it.

not sure about Knights however from what I read Dougie does not seem to be home sick, didn't the club talk to Dougie last year about a trade however Dougie wanted to stay and force his way into our best 22

 

[King Elvis]

Richard Douglas + Chris Knights = Ryan Griffen

That'd be more than fair and I'd accept it if those 2 are homesick themselves. It'd be prudent for our operations manager to get a very good gague on who wants to head to victoria at seasons end. If we have to lose players interstate then Ryan Griffen is perfect compensation.

Both Douglas and Knighta remain uncontracted beyond seasons end.

I'd prefer:

Douglas + 1st Rounder = Ryan Griffen... but if we have to lose Knights then so be it.

Yep Sloane.

The Crows were willing to trade Douglas last year, if Douglas wanted to return home. Dougie declined, saying he was happy here and fully intended to fight his way to become a permanent, important fixture in our side.

Douglas + 1st rounder for Griff wouldn't be too unfair, Douglas + Knights would be over-paying.

Knights is a very, very good footballer; don't forget how critical he was to us last year. 40+ goals from ~16 games on a HFF, with his chase and tackle pressure, is a massive, massive return.

I'm almost resigned to Bock going, but I'd be devastated if Knights left, he'll be All Australian.

EDIT - Based on that FoxSports article, Griff is going nowhere.

 

[Sir Vlado]

Why the hell would anyone want to trade Knights? (unless if it has anything to do with the rumours of him going home) He should also be regarded as untouchable.

 

[King Elvis]

Why the hell would anyone want to trade Knights? (unless if it has anything to do with the rumours of him going home) He should also be regarded as untouchable.

I wouldn't - the unless is the only way I'd think about it, if he wanted to go home.