Sack the Coach

[dumesny1]

To all you people who keep asking for Malthouses head, who do you suggest replaces him. Who is available that is good enough?

 

[MarkT]

My dog. Anything above that would be a bonus. If you really want an answer, Blight if his heart and pride were in it. I would have loved to have seen MM dumped after the first Freo game and McGuane given a rest of the year trial with Alves in the role offered to Eade.

The bottom line is it would be hard for us to be much worse off after 6 years with a coach. Tony Shaw wouldn’t have left us so soft. Maybe as slow and poorly skilled but at least not as soft.

Don’t just sack the coach make him watch endless replays of Collingwood over the last 2 years.

 

[Nardz]

My dog. Anything above that would be a bonus. If you really want an answer, Blight if his heart and pride were in it. I would have loved to have seen MM dumped after the first Freo game and McGuane given a rest of the year trial with Alves in the role offered to Eade.

The bottom line is it would be hard for us to be much worse off after 6 years with a coach. Tony Shaw wouldn’t have left us so soft. Maybe as slow and poorly skilled but at least not as soft.

Don’t just sack the coach make him watch endless replays of Collingwood over the last 2 years.

You tend to forget that those 6 years saw 2 grand final appearances, and was very unlucky not to pinch a flag.

Had the wind blown in a different direction for a split second in 2002 and we ended up winning, would people be callign for his departure now (even if we're int he same position)? no, i'm pretty sure people would be calling for his name to be engraved in the collingwood hall of fame.

Yes the last 2 years havent been the best, but the list has been crucified with injuries in that time. We had a great run in 02-03, and its totally reversed in the last 2 years.

At the end of 2003 he had just taken us to 2 grand finals, and was a genious. At that point who couldve taken over and done much better from 04-05?? Yes the list hasnt got the best depth, its more or less the same list he took us to 2 grand finals with.

He won't be going anywhere any time soon. Unless we have an inury free season next year and miss the finals, then I will perhaps join the bandwagon calling for his head. But for now give him time, The future is starting to look brighter with alot of young kids looking the goods.

That said there's definitly some heads that have to roll in the football department. Our lack of development/improvement of some players is appauling. It worries me that players we thought were gonna be good 2-3 years ago, are now pretty much duds. J.Cloke, R.Cole, R.Lonie just to mention a few..

 

[MarkT]

Look mate I'm sorry if this seems harsh please don't take anything personal but this attitude threatens to see Collingwood continue to lose grand finals:

You tend to forget that those 6 years saw 2 grand final appearances, and was very unlucky not to pinch a flag.

I was always willing to allow MM some latitude for that reason but it has long since expired. The bottom line is if Collingwood accept 2 losing grand finals as acceptable “in the circumstances”: n then we are doomed to remain second place laughing stocks forever. It’s already been forever for me and I bet I’m older than most on there. I don’t want it to be forever for my son.

Had the wind blown in a different direction for a split second in 2002 and we ended up winning, would people be callign for his departure now (even if we're int he same position)? no, i'm pretty sure people would be calling for his name to be engraved in the collingwood hall of fame.

This ********es me off. I don’t really care if it’s true it is the Collingwood story and it is has long worn thin. It’s simply not acceptable. The reality is we have to control our destiny. Had we had a ruckman we might have been premiers. Had Tarrant kicked straight we might have been premiers. Had we not carried dud like Leon who couldn’t even trouble the scorers we might have been premiers. Had we not played an obviously unfit Molloy we might have been premiers.

As much as all that ********es me off it is made far worse by the fact that we haven’t done ANYTHING about any of it. We sill don’t have a ruckman, Tarrant still can’t kick, Leon still makes no impact, we still play injured players and get little from them and we still haven’t won a premiership. We didn’t fix what was broken and we’ve gone backwards. No surprise there. What is surprising is the complete lack of accountability and action.

Yes the last 2 years havent been the best, but the list has been crucified with injuries in that time.

I agree but it has shown the complete lack of depth of ability. We are soft, slow and poorly skilled. This is the list the coach has built. Our best 22 may well be very competitive although frankly it lacks a quality ruck option, is still slow, and would obviously lack depth.

We had a great run in 02-03

We failed to acknowledge that at the time. Even so, look at who we recruited post 2002 and since. Players that are slow, soft and poorly skilled. I am not just talking about the draft and 18 year old kids.

 

[goalpie]

Malthouse is a very negative coach when it comes to tactics. I would rather have a coach putting a style of game together like the Bulldogs. Malthouse also has no imagination, he never really takes a risk to try something different and no wonder Collingwood are so easy to read for the opposition.

Gotch is a horrible coach and I am not surprised our youngster are struggling to come on. Certainly doesnt have a game plan. Why does Williamstown have a Collingwood coach, most of the other teams dont have an AFL coach in charge. Maybe a different perspective is needed for our youngsters.

 

[pieman1]

Bottom line is we have been crippled by injuries this year so much so that I can't recall a year like it. If we get a decent run next year and continue to be crap then be all means push the panic button and look at the coach.

 

[Murray]

My dog. Anything above that would be a bonus. If you really want an answer, Blight if his heart and pride were in it. I would have loved to have seen MM dumped after the first Freo game and McGuane given a rest of the year trial with Alves in the role offered to Eade.

The bottom line is it would be hard for us to be much worse off after 6 years with a coach. Tony Shaw wouldn’t have left us so soft. Maybe as slow and poorly skilled but at least not as soft.

Don’t just sack the coach make him watch endless replays of Collingwood over the last 2 years.

Mark you have been pushing this Blight bullshyte line for months - I think its time someone told you it is one of the most stupid ideas to ever be aired on BF and that is saying something.
Go back to your other silly suggestion of Alves at least that had 1% credibility.
I can't understand how a bloke who generally talks so much sense as you do, can at times come up with the crap like this.
Are you twins or something?

We need a caoch with heaps of experience, who knows what it is like to win GF's, who knows what it takes to get a team into the finals, who is a good communicator, who is respected by the players, who is good with kids, not some coaching weirdo like Blight - Hey I got an idea, what about Malthouse.

 

[Murray]

Bottom line is we have been crippled by injuries this year so much so that I can't recall a year like it. If we get a decent run next year and continue to be crap then be all means push the panic button and look at the coach.

But people will tell you "Injuries are the coaches fault and therefore he should go"
It is very shallow and short sighted and pushed by fools

 

[MarkT]

Mark you have been pushing this Blight bullshyte line for months - I think its time someone told you it is one of the most stupid ideas to ever be aired on BF and that is saying something.

It may be stupid but there is some mighty competition there Murray. It may be a bad idea. I have qualified it though. Good idea or bad going with what we have doesn’t work. MM has built this list and it is slow, poorly skilled and soft. I don’t trust him to build a list at all from here. I don’t trust the types he wants drafted the trades he wants in or his good guy no testosterone policy. I don’t like his lack of tactical nouse and I don’t like his stubbornness with players, positions and game plan. Most of all I don’t like what seems to me to be a total lack of accountability and for a bloke than demands so much from his players I find that stunning.

Ok so Blight might be a risk. That is precisely why we should have sacked Malthouse months ago and appointed him on a trial basis. If not Blight then McGuane. If there is someone better then fine but I don’t know who it would be.

Go back to your other silly suggestion of Alves at least that had 1% credibility.

I like what Alves has to say and his attitude. The only question mark I have on his coaching is him leaving Shannahan on Jarman in the GF but in reality that is about 100 times less than I have had the same query over Malthous' matchups and lack of moves. Alves would be a good choice in the role offered to Eade IMO but if not it isn’t a disaster. It’s an additional position with little downside except cost and that isn’t a concern form the highest spending lowest performing footy department in Australian football and maybe ever.

We need a caoch with heaps of experience, who knows what it is like to win GF's, who knows what it takes to get a team into the finals, who is a good communicator, who is respected by the players, who is good with kids, not some coaching weirdo like Blight - Hey I got an idea, what about Malthouse.

Great idea. Name all the kids he's been good with.

If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you've always got. I am sick and tired of always getting what we've always got at Collingwood.

 

[MarkT]

But people will tell you "Injuries are the coaches fault and therefore he should go"
It is very shallow and short sighted and pushed by fools

Injuries definitely hurt. Do we have a premiership side with everyone available? Do we have a viable ruck? Would we still be slow and poorly skilled? Can we actually bank on having our best 22 every week and into the finals? In the last 2 years injuries have lowered our results for sure but they have also shown up the lack of ability in the overall list and a complete lack of imagination from Malthouse.

Results count and we are bottom 4 again and will win fewer games than last year. It isn’t tanking either. This as good as we can give with a shallow, soft, slow, poorly skilled list built by the coach and unable to be coached by him.

6 years is enough as it is but with only 2 of those 6 season producing a positive win/loss ratio it is more than enough.


What nails it for me is that we could make a bad mistake and appoint the wrong person and we would be any worse off. We wouldn't draft or trade worse, we wouldn’t develop less young talent and we wouldn’t win many less games but if we did we’ve get better draft picks. Thos is where a boom or bust Blight or McGuane option particularly makes sense to me.

 

[Nardz]

Do we have a viable ruck?

You keep saying that, and i'd have to answer yes.

If we had a fit fraser AND richards, combined with the fill in roles Rocca, C2, and Fanning can play, i dont think our ruck department would be too much of an issue.

 

[MarkT]

If we had a fit Richards? There has never been a fit Richards. On that basis we have to assume we WONT have a fit Richards. If by chance we do get one he is still an unproven player. He has played a handful of games ad never really dominated at all. He has looked promising, that's it. He should be behind a proven ruckman learning the ropes. Instead he is tutored by Steve McKee when he isn’t in hospital.

Fraser has played for 5 years plus the odd game this year. Up to an including his 6th season he has won convincingly maybe 3 or times in the ruck and he may have a few break evens but off the top I can’t think of one. He was absolutely monstered in the 2003 grand final.

Rocca was never going to do any centre rucking with his ankles and now we have to assume he can’t ruck at all. C2 is too short and in any case he’s in his second year and went into the season with a shoulder operation under his belt. He now has his second serious shoulder injury.

Fanning can’t play. Pure and simple he can’t ruck at all and he is very ordinary around the ground. He lopes around most times he is weak in the contest most times and he has no judgement. He is new to the caper so we ca make some allowances but right now he is not a VFL standard ruckman much less an AFL anything.

At the start of the year I though we were better placed than we had been fro some time but frankly we started from an incredibly low base. FFS we are talking about a position that arguably cost us a f@rking flag and we are worse off now than we were then. That is an out and out disgrace.

Our ruck situation is nothing short of long term mismanagement and incompetence. How many times since round 1 2000 have Collingwood actually won in the ruck?

 

[Bombers 2003]

I nominate MacPie for MM's replacement.

 

[Tazzadabest]

I beleive that from my sources that MICK MALTHOUSE will not be there next year adn we will have malcolm blight as our captain.
Also apparently Eddie will be there next year adn then in 2007 he will go and run channel nine but that is a rumor, also i heard that we are going for Chris judd adn he will play for us in 2007

 

[Lensen]

Blight's a bit old to continue playing

 

[Murray]

I beleive that from my sources that MICK MALTHOUSE will not be there next year adn we will have malcolm blight as our captain.
Also apparently Eddie will be there next year adn then in 2007 he will go and run channel nine but that is a rumor, also i heard that we are going for Chris judd adn he will play for us in 2007

After you turn 13 you might be able to see that making up stories is a childish thing to do.
Now get back to the class room the teacher is probably wondering where you are.

 

[goalpie]

I beleive that from my sources that MICK MALTHOUSE will not be there next year adn we will have malcolm blight as our captain.
Also apparently Eddie will be there next year adn then in 2007 he will go and run channel nine but that is a rumor, also i heard that we are going for Chris judd adn he will play for us in 2007

Sounds ok to me, especially Chris Judd.

 

[Dazman]

Mark you have been pushing this Blight bullshyte line for months - I think its time someone told you it is one of the most stupid ideas to ever be aired on BF and that is saying something.
Go back to your other silly suggestion of Alves at least that had 1% credibility.
I can't understand how a bloke who generally talks so much sense as you do, can at times come up with the crap like this.
Are you twins or something?

We need a caoch with heaps of experience, who knows what it is like to win GF's, who knows what it takes to get a team into the finals, who is a good communicator, who is respected by the players, who is good with kids, not some coaching weirdo like Blight - Hey I got an idea, what about Malthouse.

This is not as much of a crazy idea as you suggest in your post. Blighty is a seasoned coach and player who has been to the holy grail on many occasions. Blighty was a member of the 1970's North melbourne side that won 2 premierships. He then coached geelong to a couple of losing grand finals before winning back to back flags with Adelaide in 97, 98. Some coaching weirdo. Why is someone with so many posts critising when they obviously don't know facts.

On top of this Blighty was quoted earlier in the year as saying he wouldn't mind coaching again because he had regained the fire in his belly for footy after doing special comments for chennel 9 during a couple of Brissy games.

 

[Lensen]

This is not as much of a crazy idea as you suggest in your post. Blighty is a seasoned coach and player who has been to the holy grail on many occasions. Blighty was a member of the 1970's North melbourne side that won 2 premierships. He then coached geelong to a couple of losing grand finals before winning back to back flags with Adelaide in 97, 98. Some coaching weirdo. Why is someone with so many posts critising when they obviously don't know facts.

On top of this Blighty was quoted earlier in the year as saying he wouldn't mind coaching again because he had regained the fire in his belly for footy after doing special comments for chennel 9 during a couple of Brissy games.

Channel 10. Who's not knowing their facts now?

 

[Murray]

This is not as much of a crazy idea as you suggest in your post. Blighty is a seasoned coach and player who has been to the holy grail on many occasions. Blighty was a member of the 1970's North melbourne side that won 2 premierships. He then coached geelong to a couple of losing grand finals before winning back to back flags with Adelaide in 97, 98. Some coaching weirdo. Why is someone with so many posts critising when they obviously don't know facts.

On top of this Blighty was quoted earlier in the year as saying he wouldn't mind coaching again because he had regained the fire in his belly for footy after doing special comments for chennel 9 during a couple of Brissy games.

I do know the facts that is why the idea is silly.
Look at Blights 'weirdo' record regarding relationships with players and his dummy spitting during in games.


BTW, What other name do you post under?