Autopsy Saints v Dees

[Linton Street Saint]

Imagine the melts if we had used another first round pick on a small forward.

Might have been worth doing just to expereince them.

We tried to, but Port weren't having it

 

[EddieMurphy]

If you listened to anyone inside the tent and not the media, you would know that this is a 3-4+ year plan.

It's laying the foundations, bringing together a core group and moulding them together so that over the next 3-10+ years we can keep adding to it as we go, not spike for 2-3 years and then spend another 15 years between 10th and 18th.

Is the plan for 2026 to at least win a final? Yes

Should we be disappointed in not winning at least one of the matches so far? Yes

Should we have won both matches? Probably

Is the sky falling? No.

You have not been here long have you We have a plan and have high expectations for the near future has been played over and over. Only results will make us most of us believe after years of non delivery. Not people spruiking how they see the plan working like a charity mugger.

 

[akaifu]

phantom13 genuine question, what are your thoughts on Caminiti after the weekend? Apologies if you mentioned it earlier

 

[70s sainter]

Observations from watching the replay after seeing the game live .
Positives- pou was involved in quite a few centre clearances early on . Definitely building confidence and skills.hopefully ok for next week
Garcia in the centre bounces showing huge potential
Hall !! Hall !! Hall !!


Negatives . Hills kicking turnovers resulting in a few goals . Don’t know weather it’s execution or mentally picking the wrong targets
Silvanis 2 left foot kick turnovers early resulting in goals . He ll definitely learn from it and improved as the game went on
Caminiti going to sleep on his opponent . Too slow as well and no physical presence at all .
Mcrea looking old
Sharman dropping 2 sitters Again wtf is wrong with him
Carrol’s 2 miskicks with no pressure

 

[akaifu]

Its beyond believe that he isn't at more centre bounces

Agreed. Can't have anything to do with the tank either - covered 15.3kms on the weekend ranked =2nd on the ground and more than Wilson

 

[Teflon]

That’s IQ not coaching

I would love to know the answer to this question

 

[phantom13]

phantom13 genuine question, what are your thoughts on Caminiti after the weekend? Apologies if you mentioned it earlier

Look on Sunday I walked back all my defenses of him, had 6 kicked on him, not good enough.

With a days reflection he had a poor game no question. He had VERY little help though. JVR Had space to lead into and the inside 50 kicks had time to put the ball on a platter for him.

I still think he’s worth persisting with and I don’t think Howard does any better yesterday but he took a beating.

 

[phantom13]

He’s a bit unique but who actually cares. So was GAJ , Fyfe, honestly if the group can’t see that he’s just trying to be the best player then grow up.

I’m more concerned about JSOS tbh and how that could impact things.

It’s a good point, I gotta say I watched the afl doco on prime and Fyfe was ****ing insufferable to watch. The stories and GAJ and the Bible thumping would have absolutely put me off too.

Individuals should be allowed to be themselves

 

[Hayes4PM]

Is Carroll likely to get dropped this week?

He's gonna play every game then get delisted at the end of the year, the Riley Bonner role they call it.

 

[stavro#4]

I wouldn't say we we're being ripped apart, all pretty legitimate discussion. The only really contentious part is the 2 mil 'learning curve' money.

I didn't want to pay Nas 2 mil. In the end the market dictated we had to and our hand was forced to an extent. What were the other options ? Disaster or Total ****ing train wreck.

Roo was right, at 22 doesn't matter how much money you're on your still not going to be the messiah every game and you are still going to need development. I believe giving Nas the rope to make his own mistakes to an extent ties him emotionally to the club long term. With all the faith ( and money ) being shown I believe he is the type to feel like he needs to repay that.

( FWIW also strongly suspect he was playing injured on the weekend )

He took his chance more so than usual as we are under performing and he only needs to take on Rooey who won’t **** with his good boy image on TV so tries to use his intellect to overcome them.

Unpacking all his points, they are at the core all correct.

- Nas, irrespective of age or carrying an injury. He has the leagues biggest deal and is the first $2m. Yes he has 4 goals across 2 games. But his around the ground output is significantly limited and we need that Nas rolling through the lines. He needs to be better (not at the top of my list)

- Flanders. I haven’t minded him. He gets the ball. He runs hard. But his disposal has been crap so far. Must lift. I don’t want Latrelle Pickett btw. I’m happy with Flanders. I just want better from him.

- This 3-4 year narrative is crap and this belief we are going to surge in 12 months of the back of what’s currently a Train wreck campaign isn’t going to happen. They recruited for the immediate future and they expect to make finals. There is going to be plenty of cap space by the end of 2027 but we could also be getting the doomsday scenario of cents in the dollar for Nas if this crap doesn’t improve.

 

[Joffaboy]

He is ripping us apart tonight.

Sack SoS

 

[stavro#4]

Look on Sunday I walked back all my defenses of him, had 6 kicked on him, not good enough.

With a days reflection he had a poor game no question. He had VERY little help though. JVR Had space to lead into and the inside 50 kicks had time to put the ball on a platter for him.

I still think he’s worth persisting with and I don’t think Howard does any better yesterday but he took a beating.

Not many defenders are stopping clean ball coming in.

The issue is our midfield and forward line. The turnovers. The lack of 2 way running and protection.

Caminit got smashed. But Hudghton or Sam Fisher wouldn’t have faired better trying to defend against that type of delivery.

 

[stavro#4]

Sack SoS

Lose this week and its sack the Boss time.

 

[phantom13]

Not many defenders are stopping clean ball coming in.

The issue is our midfield and forward line. The turnovers. The lack of 2 way running and protection.

Caminit got smashed. But Hudghton or Sam Fisher wouldn’t have faired better trying to defend against that type of delivery.

Yeh that’s essentially where I’ve landed.

To be fair I don’t think I’ve ever suggested he’s going to become Harris Andrews, I just think he can be a perfectly suitable big bodied lockdown role player in a good structure and system and I maintain that.

We don’t have the defensive structure or system in the last 2 games though (noting I thought he was absolutely fine v Collingwood)

 

[PJays]

Now that I've had 24 hours to get over this result......

I'm not feeling anything like as upset.

Look, we've lost two very close games.

Across 240 minutes of footy, the biggest lead we've had is 15 points and the furthest behind we've fallen is 18.

In this free flowing new season, that's about as close as games can get.

We were +23 inside 50s vs Collingwood and +70 disposals vs Melbourne.

Both opponents scored too easily off our turnovers. We didn't execute well enough, around the ground or in front of goal. That resulted in being opened up and our opponents scoring efficiently.

But small, achievable improvements in that area should see tight losses turn into wins.

 

[stavro#4]

Yeh that’s essentially where I’ve landed.

To be fair I don’t think I’ve ever suggested he’s going to become Harris Andrews, I just think he can be a perfectly suitable big bodied lockdown role player in a good structure and system and I maintain that.

We don’t have the defensive structure or system in the last 2 games though (noting I thought he was absolutely fine v Collingwood)

He is a big old fashioned spoiler who will crash the pack and kill the ball.

If the midfield can’t create dirty ball. It doesn’t matter who is back there. The forward will always have a clean run at a leading lane out infront of the back man.

 

[SaintlyHymns]

Microscope goes on Flanders when Nas isn't in there.

You can't have a midfield going with Flanders, Macrae and Phillipou. Pou isn't yet the maximum damage, burst athlete we sometimes make him out to be. He often plays quite one paced, but is good in a phone box. So when there's no Nas, it's glaringly obvious we don't have the forward half damage player we need.

If NWM is going to shift between lines then Hall has to play way more midfield time, and Macrae loses his spot. A one-paced midfield profile won't cut it. And I actually think Windhager is better for us off half back than through mids right now. He's been our best thus far.

 

[Sir Owens]

Agreed. Can't have anything to do with the tank either - covered 15.3kms on the weekend ranked =2nd on the ground and more than Wilson

Hall has a massive tank and he’s way fitter than last year.

To be fair, he’s so valuable around goals though, he just doesn't miss “the snap god”

I would move The Viking forward, and start Chitto, Nas & Hall in the guts.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Whether you like him or not as a person, fwiw he also had some pretty sharp insights in his first up gig in the commentary box.

 

[MrFoster]

Lose this week and its sack the Boss time.

Then Ross is gone. Don’t see us beating GWS or Brisbane. So we are looking at 0-4 after 4 rounds.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Lose this week and its sack the Boss time.

Depends how we lose. Giants in Sydney are not an easy beat. We have to show some steeliness and @#$%ing fight this week!

 

[aidansbonor]

Observations from watching the replay after seeing the game live .
Positives- pou was involved in quite a few centre clearances early on . Definitely building confidence and skills.hopefully ok for next week
Garcia in the centre bounces showing huge potential
Hall !! Hall !! Hall !!


Negatives . Hills kicking turnovers resulting in a few goals . Don’t know weather it’s execution or mentally picking the wrong targets
Silvanis 2 left foot kick turnovers early resulting in goals . He ll definitely learn from it and improved as the game went on
Caminiti going to sleep on his opponent . Too slow as well and no physical presence at all .
Mcrea looking old
Sharman dropping 2 sitters Again wtf is wrong with him
Carrol’s 2 miskicks with no pressure

He's a 28 year old with a 129 games experience..

 

[MrFoster]

I really thought our game plan change has made the team more nervous and panicky than before.. Even Wilkie, Sinclair and JSOS who were supppse to be reliable kicks were making costly turnovers, some really early in the game as well which sets the scene and the nervousness filters through the whole team..

What are Enright and the coaches doing? We don’t have experienced mids that has the composure and smarts to play fast.. if anything, our midfield even with Nas and De Koning is still missing that win the ball first ball pig, the Crouch, Neale, Dangerfield, Cripps type. Macrae is still good(apparently in best shape for a while), but he needs good support/balance around him? Windhager and Hall, rather than Philipou and Nas who can’t defend.

 

[BigMonty]

If we had someone on the line usually Marshall we save two goals.
If Sharman does not drop those two sitters we kick two more goals.
If JSOS execute's two left foot kicks properly probably saves a goal.

Our simple concentration mistakes were where we lost this game. Last week we did not push up on Pies in the last quarter.

About 4 times we had a centre break and our forwards lead away from the ball. JVR did the opposite and lead into the space at CHF no one can catch you there. Plugger kicked 40% of his goals that way. Alright for Higgins to do this no one else. We miss a tall target.... Marshall back will help Keeler, ....ury is out.

McCrae father time has caught you, replace with in reality anyone fit.
TDK virus explains a bit will just have to watch and see.
Hugo there is a lot to like about the way he plays Pou was good until injured...shit happens.
Wood is he 12 months behind McCrae?
Boxhall Tarau tried Camaniti, was better in second half...work in progress.
Carroll unimpressive, I like Stocker but Stocker is not quick, think the bigger grounds could be an issue Marvel he should be okay.
I think we should be giving more time to Hastie.

Finally RTB press comment about Roos is spot on win the tackle count, reducing the errors. Both sides had 48 tackles with Demons 1/3 more effective thats in effect 16 more clearances. There's the game then and there, fix that fix the errors lead at the ball carrier and hold our marks we will be okay........eventually......hopefully before it's too late.

LOT TO LIKE BUT LOT HAS TO CHANGE AS WELL....SOUND FAMILIAR

Go Saints