Sally Rugg vs Monique Ryan

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Gethelred said:
Given that that was my genuine first post on the Teals - other than to mention their existence - I struggle to see the point you think you're responding to, let alone the one you think you're making.

There's also the fact that I was genuinely interested in her opinion, as opposed to my own. You know, because I already know my own opinion on the question I asked Taylor.
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Is that a roundabout anything ?
 

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Kwality said:
You could just answer the question.
Read you own post IF you choose to believe my question is below your pay grade.
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I told you where you can find the answer kwals
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
'Under the Rugg: staffers work long hours for big bucks. Like it or leave it
Monique Ryan has every right to want her chief of staff to 'go the extra mile’, Crikey readers say. Big salary. Big expectations'

www.crikey.com.au

Let’s sweep this under the Rugg: MPs’ staff work long hours for big bucks. Like it or leave it

Monique Ryan has every right to want her chief of staff to ‘go the extra mile’, Crikey readers say. Big salary. Big expectations.
www.crikey.com.au www.crikey.com.au
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Four people....literally four people. I didn't realise Crikey's readership had dropped that far. I also laugh at this comment:
"she obviously isn’t cut out for a senior staffer’s role while the work culture in and around federal Parliament is so broken"

If you honestly think people should be working 60-70 hours a week as the norm, you're cooked in the head and indicative of how broken our system is.

Edit: For clarity, if someone wants to work 60-70 hours a week, that's their prerogative. I find it weird but hey, it's their life. That is however a far cry from having a built in expectation that your employees/others should be doing 60-70 hours.
 
Big Papa Ted said:
Four people....literally four people. I didn't realise Crikey's readership had dropped that far. I also laugh at this comment:
"she obviously isn’t cut out for a senior staffer’s role while the work culture in and around federal Parliament is so broken"

If you honestly think people should be working 60-70 hours a week as the norm, you're cooked in the head and indicative of how broken our system is.

Edit: For clarity, if someone wants to work 60-70 hours a week, that's their prerogative. I find it weird but hey, it's their life. That is however a far cry from having a built in expectation that your employees/others should be doing 60-70 hours.
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I'm not cooked in the head mate.
She got overtime. It's a privilege to be in that position and influence legislation and policy in this country.
I think it's more about Rugg not liking being diciplined for her failure to do her job properly.
And she seems to think she shouldn't get disciplined for flying covid positive which would have been an insult to anyone especially a medical specialist.
It's only a few people on bigfooty that wholeheartedly support Rugg.
I haven't heard any other public figure support her and Sally McManus and union people aren't supporting her.
You're fighting a losing battle BigTed
 
Big Papa Ted said:
Four people....literally four people. I didn't realise Crikey's readership had dropped that far. I also laugh at this comment:
"she obviously isn’t cut out for a senior staffer’s role while the work culture in and around federal Parliament is so broken"

If you honestly think people should be working 60-70 hours a week as the norm, you're cooked in the head and indicative of how broken our system is.

Edit: For clarity, if someone wants to work 60-70 hours a week, that's their prerogative. I find it weird but hey, it's their life. That is however a far cry from having a built in expectation that your employees/others should be doing 60-70 hours.
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If they work those hours they should be paid accordingly, whether you work for a politician, restaurant owner, builder or any other form of employment, no worker should be underpaid and have every right to take it to the right body to dispute this.

Using the word " reasonable" is a crock of crap, that is open ended and should never be used in employment negotiations.
 
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Magnum27 said:
If they work those hours they should be paid accordingly, whether you work for a politician, restaurant owner, builder or any other form of employment, no worker should be underpaid and have every right to take it to the right body to dispute this.

Using the word " reasonable" is a crock of crap, that is open ended and should never be used in employment negotiations.
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I would work 60 hours a week for $150,000. It is not a usual job where you clock on and clock off.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
I'm not cooked in the head mate.
She got overtime.
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no she didn't, this is exactly the issue which you keep ignoring.

She got a flat payment, the more extra hours worked the lower her hourly rate became.

Aristotle Pickett said:
It's a privilege to be in that position and influence legislation and policy in this country.
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its a privilege to be exploited now is it

easy to say when its not happening to you i guess

Aristotle Pickett said:
I think it's more about Rugg not liking being diciplined for her failure to do her job properly.
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yes we know you think the issue here is Rugg and solely Rugg
Aristotle Pickett said:
And she seems to think she shouldn't get disciplined for flying covid positive which would have been an insult to anyone especially a medical specialist.
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Was it illegal at the time?
Was it against her employment contract?
If not then what right do they have to discipline her?
Aristotle Pickett said:
It's only a few people on bigfooty that wholeheartedly support Rugg.
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I think you'll find there are people not on Big Footy that also support her but do go off
Aristotle Pickett said:
I haven't heard any other public figure support her and Sally McManus and union people aren't supporting her.
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have they come out against her?
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
'Under the Rugg: staffers work long hours for big bucks. Like it or leave it
Monique Ryan has every right to want her chief of staff to 'go the extra mile’, Crikey readers say. Big salary. Big expectations'

www.crikey.com.au

Let’s sweep this under the Rugg: MPs’ staff work long hours for big bucks. Like it or leave it

Monique Ryan has every right to want her chief of staff to ‘go the extra mile’, Crikey readers say. Big salary. Big expectations.
www.crikey.com.au www.crikey.com.au
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comments on news articles is your defence now, classic
 

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Aristotle Pickett said:
I'm not cooked in the head mate.
She got overtime. It's a privilege to be in that position and influence legislation and policy in this country.
I think it's more about Rugg not liking being diciplined for her failure to do her job properly.
And she seems to think she shouldn't get disciplined for flying covid positive which would have been an insult to anyone especially a medical specialist.
It's only a few people on bigfooty that wholeheartedly support Rugg.
I haven't heard any other public figure support her and Sally McManus and union people aren't supporting her.
You're fighting a losing battle BigTed
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What battle? I've got no skin in the game. You're the one that seems to be heavily invested in this at a personal/emotional battle. I'm simply stating that the concept of 60-70 hours being the norm expectation is cooked. Let's assume 60 hours a week as the lowest number, which works out to 12 hours a day (if you're only doing 5 days a week). Assuming someone is sleeping for 8 hours, with work and sleep alone that's 20 hours a day, and you can probably add about an hour for commuting door to door a day as well.

If you honestly think it's reasonable to expect people to have 3 hours a day doing things outside of work, you need to find a nice partner, have some kids/get some friends and sort your priorities out. Your workplace won't be hanging out with you when you retire bro, and it sure as hell won't be at your funeral.
 
hawkman said:
Less as overtime would have loadings
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that's why companies love salaries with built in additional hours for no extra compensation
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
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I would work 60 hours a week for $150,000. It is not a usual job where you clock on and clock off.
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if you agree to those hrs and remuneration that is fine, but any hours outside the 60 you should be compensated accordingly, if you are not then you have every right to take it up with fair work or anyone else.

Problem is to many employers expect their employees to do more than what is agreed, my manger knows full well, i will do my agreed upon hrs, and anything over that if i agree to do it, i expect compensation, if not money then time in lieu, and she certainly knows not to call me outside of those hrs.

No worker should be expected to do more than what they have agreed to do.
 
Gralin said:
no she didn't, this is exactly the issue which you keep ignoring.

She got a flat payment, the more extra hours worked the lower her hourly rate became.


its a privilege to be exploited now is it

easy to say when its not happening to you i guess


yes we know you think the issue here is Rugg and solely Rugg

Was it illegal at the time?
Was it against her employment contract?
If not then what right do they have to discipline her?

I think you'll find there are people not on Big Footy that also support her but do go off

have they come out against her?
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You think flying covid positive when your boss is a medical specialist shows good judgement?
She righly got disciplined for that and she acknowleges that.
Support for Rugg is definately in the minority.
It's not correct to compare it to other jobs. It is a unique job. The job description showed what the job was like.
We're still waiting for a public figure to come out in support of Rugg, not one yet.
Anyway we will always disagree on this one.
 
Magnum27 said:
if you agree to those hrs and remuneration that is fine, but any hours outside the 60 you should be compensated accordingly, if you are not then you have every right to take it up with fair work or anyone else.

Problem is to many employers expect their employees to do more than what is agreed, my manger knows full well, i will do my agreed upon hrs, and anything over that if i agree to do it, i expect compensation, if not money then time in lieu, and she certainly knows not to call me outside of those hrs.

No worker should be expected to do more than what they have agreed to do.
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I agree but in this case Rugg did agree to those hours.
 
Big Papa Ted said:
What battle? I've got no skin in the game. You're the one that seems to be heavily invested in this at a personal/emotional battle. I'm simply stating that the concept of 60-70 hours being the norm expectation is cooked. Let's assume 60 hours a week as the lowest number, which works out to 12 hours a day (if you're only doing 5 days a week). Assuming someone is sleeping for 8 hours, with work and sleep alone that's 20 hours a day, and you can probably add about an hour for commuting door to door a day as well.

If you honestly think it's reasonable to expect people to have 3 hours a day doing things outside of work, you need to find a nice partner, have some kids/get some friends and sort your priorities out. Your workplace won't be hanging out with you when you retire bro, and it sure as hell won't be at your funeral.
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There's 300 chief of staffs doing the same thing and they no complain.
How come no Labor chief of staffs have brought this up ever? Aren't they big on workers rights?
The reason is because they don't think they're exploited at all.
 
Kwality said:
What is a quasi management role as described here ?
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Head of neurology unit at RCH
So would be “managing” her staff specialists (who in turn supervise and train junior docs as well as provide front line care) provide some front line service and possibly budget allocation (constrained by higher up executive I would guess)
 
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