Say it isn't so, Lance

[blackcat]

its not just serena. its them all.

this is why this thread is redundant, we are excoriating one individual by singling out athletes taking drugs, that all athletes do, that we as fans enable them to do. if you wish to closely scrutinise the record.

its not one individual folks. and one tenet of justice is its universal application.

that is one major flaw in anti-doping as I conceive. There are one major bloc of those who lose in anti-doping, those athletes who never bought into pro sport and doping, who missed opportunities and a leveled, not level, playing field. more level playing field. they were the losers.


but there are also losers within a peloton of 190 riders, say two suspensions are prosecuted for that peloton, for two years, of what would be a ten year career. But of those 190 riders, 160 are on something not legal.

how does one justify keeping those two out for two years? Ullrich and Basso anyone? Landis? Armstrong thinks he was singled out even tho he started in triathlon, but he doped his entire career, with backing from authorities, but there was no support of Ullrich, Basso, Landis et al. They were singled out eh Lance? no? yes? what the frick!

 

[blackcat]

post I ripped of The Clinic from cyclingnews forums but I think he ripped it off Tennis Has a haemarRoid (sic) problem

Some thoughts to carry people through the 2nd week of the Australian Open.
The quotes below come from Charlie Francis (who was Ben Johnson's sprint coach), appearing in his book Speed Trap, published all the way back in 1990. And no offense to Tyler Hamilton, but Francis's book is far superior to The Secret Race. Anyway, here's some of the things Francis had to say:
"...steroids are training drugs, an investment for a future advantage. User improve because they can train harder and faster--and superior training yields superior performances down the road. When a world-class athlete claims he doesn't need steroids because he "work hard," he is stating a non sequitur. It is the steroids that allow him to work so hard--to increase his training capacity and withstand extreme physiological stress, thereby raising his performance level." (p. 90-91) "International sport is moving irrevocably toward a two-tiered athletic society--to prosecute the great mass of uninformed and expendable players, while givingcarte blanche to a handful of well-connected superstars. Doping control in the 1990s will formalize limited, beatable testing--a controlled and selective roulette with the risk of major scandal. The anxious network sugar daddies will be appeased, the record-hungry fans satiated. And if the competitions become over-produced Hollywood farces, with an ever-widening gap between the few authentic contenders and all the rest with no chance, who will be the wiser."

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Serena example was more of how lax the ITF is and how they accept just about any escuse. To not test her OOC for 2 full years is rubbish. And if she is clean, it leaves a big question mark over her, when they have tested a top 5 male competitor, 5-10 times out of competition.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

post I ripped of The Clinic from cyclingnews forums but I think he ripped it off Tennis Has a haemarRoid (sic) problem

Yeah that's from the tennis site.

 

[blackcat]

Yeah that's from the tennis site.

which is one of my favourite sites on the interwebz thingymejog

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Today's Oz has a story about Tennis and drug testing

Tennis stars will face extra drug testing
Courtney Walsh and Will Swanton From:The Australian January 29, 201312:00AM

THE head of the International Tennis Federation's anti-doping authority has no qualms about saying the world's best players will face additional scrutiny this year in the wake of the Lance Armstrong scandal.

With Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic departing for Europe early yesterday to prepare for a Davis Cup tie this weekend, Stuart Miller said tennis players had to learn to deal with questions about their performances.
"It's happened to more than one player, but I'm not sure whether I would characterise it as unfortunate," Miller said.
"Scrutiny is a part of being an elite athlete and it already happens in other areas of their lives. It would be naive to think that there's no doping in tennis.
"Experience shows us that it has happened. All we can do is continue trying to find it, if and where it does exist."

.....

Miller said the ITF was looking to increase the number of out-of-competition tests, collect more blood tests as a proportion of total samples taken, and introduce a biological passport program that could monitor an athlete's blood profile over an extended period.
For Djokovic, much as it has been during the Australian Open, the coming week will be all about rest, recovery and adjustment.

.......

Tennis stars will face extra drug testing

 

[blackcat]

Courtney Walsh and Will Swanton From:The Australian January 29, 201312:00AM

great bowler

great journalist

what cant he do?

my mum?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Spanish legal system is protecting Fuentes and non cyclists again. The Operation Puerto trial started on Monday in Spain.

Operation Puerto doctor Eufemiano Fuentes 'treated tennis players, athletes, footballers and a boxer'

Disgraced Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes has given explosive evidence on the first day of Operation Puerto trial, telling a Spanish court he treated athletes, footballers, a boxer and tennis players, but claimed he was helping their recovery from anaemia rather than enhancing their performance illegally.


......

But the judge Julia Santamaria has rejected a plea from the prosecutors to allow the detailed evidence gathered from Fuentes computer files because it would be a breach of privacy. It is believed such evidence includes references to specific sportsmen and women outside of cycling.

Earlier the judge had ruled that the evidence before the trial would be limited to cycling only. This morning the judge ruled that Lance Armstrong's former US Postal team-mate Tyler Hamilton would be allowed to be added to the witness list of 35 cyclists to give evidence to the court.

......

Operation Puerto doctor Eufemiano Fuentes 'treated tennis players, athletes, footballers and a boxer'

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The UCI have shut down the independent panel investigating Armstrong - and have received some strong criticism

A couple of stories from the Telegraph in the UK. Stories are by ex SMH journo ( and a regular on ABC Offsiders program) Jacquelin Magnay who moved over to the UK a couple of years ago to be their lead Olympics reporter.
UCI decision to shut down independent commission branded 'a disgrace'

The world cycling body UCI has been accused of being a manipulative and contemptible administration, dragging cycling further into disrepute after its swift axing of the independent commission set up to investigate payments made by confessed drug cheat Lance Armstrong.

By Jacquelin Magnay 2:00PM GMT 29 Jan 2013

The Change Cycling Now reform group, headed by key witnesses in the Armstrong saga, including Tour de France winner Greg LeMond, issued a hard-hitting statement claiming the UCI dismantled the independent commission late Monday night rather than risk being unmasked.

''The UCI decision is a rank and disgraceful manipulation of power by a governing body concerned only with self-preservation,'' the statement said.

''Change Cycling Now today calls on the general sport of cycling, its National Federations and other global stakeholders to enforce the removal of a manipulative and contemptible administration that is content to drag cycling further into disrepute in order to safeguard the positions of its leaders.''

CCN organiser Jaimie Fuller told the Telegraph Sport the UCI shut down the commission because commissioners started asking difficult questions.

Said Fuller: ''We saw last Friday the UCI being rightly castigated for not having presented one document demanded by the UCIIC...................

UCI decision to shut down independent commission branded 'a disgrace'

and

WADA blasts UCI as 'arrogant and deceitful' after cycling body calls for truth and reconciliation commission

The reputation and credibility of cycling’s governing body, the International Cycling Union (UCI), sank to a new low on Tuesday as it was described as “arrogant” and “deceitful” by the World Anti-Doping Agency
By Jacquelin Magnay 8:09PM GMT 29 Jan 2013

Wada’s withering condemnation followed the UCI’s decision on Monday to disband the three-strong independent commission it had set up to investigate whether the governing body helped Lance Armstrong conceal his drug-taking when the American was the sport’s ultimate icon.

The UCI claimed it was abandoning the independent commission, which included Baroness Grey-Thompson, in favour of establishing a truth and reconciliation process aimed at revealing the full extent of the doping epidemic which has corrupted cycling for decades.

But that prompted a stinging rebuke from Wada, which heaped fresh pressure on the UCI’s beleaguered president Pat McQuiad, whom many anti-doping campaigners have called on to step down in the wake of the Armstrong scandal.

“Wada is dismayed by the press release issued by UCI yesterday, both in terms of its content and its deceit,” Wada president John Fahey wrote in a statement. “Instead of any continuing professional dialogue with Wada’s president, UCI has publicly announced by way of a press statement that Wada has agreed to work with it on some form of truth and reconciliation,” the statement said.

“This is not only wrong in content and process, but again deceitful. The fact is that Wada was awaiting a reply to the correspondence when the UCI release was delivered.” ..........


WADA blasts UCI as 'arrogant and deceitful' after cycling body calls for truth and reconciliation commission

and this bit

McQuaid had claimed on Monday that Wada had “no confidence in the existing Independent Commission process”.

Fahey countered: “Wada has never questioned the integrity and independence of the members of the commission, but solely the ability of the commission to work properly under the contract given by UCI to the commission.”

The row means the UCI now has no over-arching drugs investigation even though the fallout from Armstrong’s confession has been exacerbated by the Spanish Operation Puerto trial and separate drugs inquiries in Belgium, Italy, Holland and Australia.

It also means there is no current probe into two six-figure donations made by Armstrong to the UCI at a time when he has since admitted he was doping. The UCI has always denied the payments were bribes to suppress positive drug tests.

 

[blackcat]

The Spanish legal system is protecting Fuentes and non cyclists again.

Fuentes gets death threats from those associated with the ties to Real Madrid and Barca.

this is big game.

this is more than just PEDs, we entered the world of politics and big business long ago. Drugs are a mere trifle, sports drugs that is. they are.

 

[blackcat]

Magnay

would not be listening about Aus media and quoting apparitchiks in sporting authorities or off record sources.

they dont do a good job but that of a stenographer

actually, the 4 Corners ep was passable. but nothing more. I told folks in the media about Evans ties to Ferrari about 6 years ago, and they came back at me saying I was a conspiracy nutter.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Magnay has done investigative journalism as well as sports stuff.

She won a Walkley for her stuff on the AIS cycling drug scandal back around 2003, she and Roy Masters won awards for their stuff on Warne's drug scandal and I'm pretty sure she did work on the Canterbury Leagues Club ( ie licence club associated with Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs) and the Liverpool Council $900mil Oasis dodgy development partnership, which ended up at ICAC and as a result it was discovered that the Bulldogs had been using the development to pay players to breach the salary cap - result was that the Bulldogs were stripped of 37 premiership points and went from top to bottom in August 2003.

 

[blackcat]

Magnay has done investigative journalism as well as sports stuff.

She won a Walkley for her stuff on the AIS cycling drug scandal back around 2003, she and Roy Masters won awards for their stuff on Warne's drug scandal and I'm pretty sure she did work on the Canterbury Leagues Club ( ie licence club associated with Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs) and the Liverpool Council $900mil Oasis dodgy development partnership, which ended up at ICAC and as a result it was discovered that the Bulldogs had been using the development to pay players to breach the salary cap - result was that the Bulldogs were stripped of 37 premiership points and went from top to bottom in August 2003.

oh, there is another one Jackie Maay who is on The Drum, but she does the NSW state politics beat.

This jacqueline magnay famous for being the first woman into the Swans changerooms/showers

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Probably but started off with getting access to the Balmain Tigers, after she won an appeal. That victory set the standard for women journo's to get access to change rooms.

http://www.whoislog.info/profile/jacquelin-magnay.html

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Major League Baseball isn't missing out either.

Biogenesis Clinic and Alex Rodriguez

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Just finished watching 4 Corners dismantling of the Armstrong denials in the Oprah interview.

Thought of blackcat comments on AFL players being warned about elevated markers when Michael Ashenden made similar comments about cyclist results. He talked about protecting the sport, not the integrity of the sport.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

How awkward was Phil Anderson? Oh boy!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

How awkward was Phil Anderson? Oh boy!

"I don't remember that meeting"

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Yeah, must be a bad memory not to remember being offered 50k to throw a race.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just finished watching 4 Corners dismantling of the Armstrong denials in the Oprah interview.

Thought of blackcat comments on AFL players being warned about elevated markers when Michael Ashenden made similar comments about cyclist results. He talked about protecting the sport, not the integrity of the sport.

Bingo! Sports have managed the PR around drugs since the 1970's. A little bit of positive tests is good, they can spin it that their policies are working. Too many is bad news for the administrators.

As I posted in the Olympics board thread and in at least one other drugs in cycling and footy or sports thread, the ON urine EPO test was accepted for Sydney 2000 Olympics, but not the blood tests. But the IOC allowed the anti doping authorities to take 300 random samples of blood for future testing. A few years later they did test and found 7 athletes were on EPO. The 300 random samples were all endurance athletes. There were 3,000 endurance athletes who competed in Sydney. If there were 70 positives, ie an announcement every 5 hours or so after day 1, the Olympics would have been closed down, or the codes might have been mysteriously lost like in 1984 LA Olympics. In 1984 there were a dozen positives reported publicly, but there were several dozen other positive tests at the end of the Olympics as the Athletics kicked into gear, that nothing was done about. The scientists expected to see a whole lot of athletes rock up and have their B samples double checked for testosterones, other steroids and ephedrines.

But nothing happened!! Why? Because according to the head of the IOC medical commission, Prince de Merode, his safe was broken into, which had the athletes tested names and their drug test sample codes, and the day after the Olympics he went to get the codes and the safe was empty. How convenient.

Nothing was said about it in the media for years and when the head of the UCLA Olympic labs Don Catlin, wanted to publish the details a couple of years after the Olympics, he had a shit fight with de Merode who said the data was the property of the IOC. Catlin told de Merode that the contract his lab had with the IOC gave him the right and that he was going to publish. A compromise was struck not to publish the day to day lab results so as not to match lists of positive declared to those that had not been acted on.

 

[blaargh]

Hmmm.... Let's see what essendon has to say today in their press conference - speculation it could be PED related... But that is just twitter gossip for now.

I just get this feeling that some humbleish pie is coming my way

 

[blackcat]

Just finished watching 4 Corners dismantling of the Armstrong denials in the Oprah interview.

Thought of blackcat comments on AFL players being warned about elevated markers when Michael Ashenden made similar comments about cyclist results. He talked about protecting the sport, not the integrity of the sport.

just ask adrian anderson re:integrity. his answer for gambling being officially licenced was they had the opportunity to look inside the books.

well, you just created a market you dufus. if this is john wren and the tote on johnston st or gipps st corner of smith st, and nathan bock has told his mates and his mum to back him cos he is stating at chf or a forward flank or pocket, or ff, and he takes that speculative shot and kicks a goal from 55, do you think John Wren pays out? Or John the Bookie from Mumbai?

no way. you lose your knee caps.

no difference between nathan bock and the pakistan bowlers and no-balls for the exotic bets. bigtime failure by affle house.

saw him walking his toddler recently too, felt like telling him he f'ed it all up.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

LOL Watch the UCI dance.

UCI defends actions after extra positives shown

After reading David Walsh's Seven Deadly Sins the UCI have no credibility.

 

[b0ydman]

as much cred as the AFL

where's Vlad lately, anyone?

James "I injected it into myself" Hird

Wont be long now, club won't see round 24

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just put something in the theortical drugs question thread you might be interested in b0ydman re AFL lack of transparency.