Competitions SBFFL Draft Discussion Thread

[Armoooo]

Sounds good Armo, but what saint batty is saying makes a lot of sense. You shouldn't be punished for not wanting one of the auto selects. And waiting until 39/40 for the extra pick is a big disadvantage imo

I disagree. This is about trying to undo the damage that the two disbanding teams have caused. Allowing coaches who pass to take a pick before Round 13 commences just continues the impact.

Look at it like this, if you don't want the players available before your next pick it means that you probably weren't impacted by it anyway, so you would just be getting a free pick.

If people don't like the bottom handful of players you need to remember that this means that you would be getting one of the first hand few of picks and that is where the real drop off in quality is.

So picks 1 and 24 should net a coach a superstar and a less desiarable player.
Picks 12 and 13 should get a coach two really good prospects.

I think allowing the coach who gets pick 1 the opportunity to take another pick before round 13 is double dipping to be honest.

This isn't going to be a perfect science unfortunately. There will be a couple of teams who are likely to benefit from this more than the other teams but that will just be the luck of the draw I'm afraid.

 

[PetWussy]

I couldnt believe Sam Reid is only still 23, seems like hes been around for much longer than that

 

[Phoenix_9]

I disagree. This is about trying to undo the damage that the two disbanding teams have caused. Allowing coaches who pass to take a pick before Round 13 commences just continues the impact.

Look at it like this, if you don't want the players available before your next pick it means that you probably weren't impacted by it anyway, so you would just be getting a free pick.

If people don't like the bottom handful of players you need to remember that this means that you would be getting one of the first hand few of picks and that is where the real drop off in quality is.

So picks 1 and 24 should net a coach a superstar and a less desiarable player.
Picks 12 and 13 should get a coach two really good prospects.

I think allowing the coach who gets pick 1 the opportunity to take another pick before round 13 is double dipping to be honest.

This isn't going to be a perfect science unfortunately. There will be a couple of teams who are likely to benefit from this more than the other teams but that will just be the luck of the draw I'm afraid.

Yeah that's also true. So all 24 are going in one pool?

 

[Armoooo]

Yeah that's also true. So all 24 are going in one pool?

Yep, we will have to rounds of picks to re-distribute the 24 players. If anybody skips the remaining player(s) will then just go back into the main pool and the draft will continue from round 13 onwards as normal (but with 12 picks per round)

 

[Phoenix_9]

Have you got the new random snake order?

 

[majortinkle]

I disagree. This is about trying to undo the damage that the two disbanding teams have caused. Allowing coaches who pass to take a pick before Round 13 commences just continues the impact.

Look at it like this, if you don't want the players available before your next pick it means that you probably weren't impacted by it anyway, so you would just be getting a free pick.

If people don't like the bottom handful of players you need to remember that this means that you would be getting one of the first hand few of picks and that is where the real drop off in quality is.

So picks 1 and 24 should net a coach a superstar and a less desiarable player.
Picks 12 and 13 should get a coach two really good prospects.

I think allowing the coach who gets pick 1 the opportunity to take another pick before round 13 is double dipping to be honest.

This isn't going to be a perfect science unfortunately. There will be a couple of teams who are likely to benefit from this more than the other teams but that will just be the luck of the draw I'm afraid.

I think there's potential for pick 7-12 to be not that impressed with either pick is the issue.

 

[Armoooo]

I think there's potential for pick 7-12 to be not that impressed with either pick is the issue.

I think you can pick 12 good players from this pretty easily to be honest. If you want young guns you should have a real quality one available by your first pick, if you want pure points you should be set for both picks. Worst case scenario just pick the player that you think would hold the most value and try and trade for something more your style once lists are finalised.



Gary Ablett

Lance Franklin

Nick Riewoldt

Luke Hodge

Jack Riewoldt

Sam Mitchell

Harry Taylor

Jobe Watson

Daniel Merrett

Matthew Boyd

Scott Thompson

Jordan Lewis

Brent Stanton

Bernie Vince

Corey Enright

Liam Shiels

Andrew Swallow

Stephen Hill

Josh Caddy

Anthony Miles

Cameron Guthrie

Jackson Macrae

Dylan Shiel

Marcus Bontempeli

 

[12Chill]

I disagree. This is about trying to undo the damage that the two disbanding teams have caused. Allowing coaches who pass to take a pick before Round 13 commences just continues the impact.

Look at it like this, if you don't want the players available before your next pick it means that you probably weren't impacted by it anyway, so you would just be getting a free pick.

If people don't like the bottom handful of players you need to remember that this means that you would be getting one of the first hand few of picks and that is where the real drop off in quality is.

So picks 1 and 24 should net a coach a superstar and a less desiarable player.
Picks 12 and 13 should get a coach two really good prospects.

I think allowing the coach who gets pick 1 the opportunity to take another pick before round 13 is double dipping to be honest.

This isn't going to be a perfect science unfortunately. There will be a couple of teams who are likely to benefit from this more than the other teams but that will just be the luck of the draw I'm afraid.

Dewah:
Lance Franklin
Dylan Shiel
Luke Hodge
Jack Riewoldt
Harry Taylor
Jobe Watson
Matthew Boyd
Jordan Lewis
Bernie Vince
Anthony Miles
Liam Shiels
Stephen Hill

Choomah:
Gary Ablett
Marcus Bontempelli
Nick Riewoldt
Jackson Macrae
Sam Mitchell
Daniel Merrett
Scott Thompson (Adelaide)
Brent Stanton
Cameron Guthrie
Corey Enright
Andrew Swallow
Josh Caddy


Just a suggestion, should we reverse the order of the original draft for the re-distribution draft?
So the original draft is (excluding dewah and choomah)
1. CursingFijian
2. Left_Billings
3. PetWussy
4. Armoooo -
5. St Kilda Death
6. saintbatty
7. Phoenix_9
8. SincMagic
9. felsty
10. majortinkle
11. 12Chill
12. King Lonie

For the re-distribution draft I'd suggest;
1. King Lonie
2. 12Chill
3. majortinkle
4. Felsty
5. SincMagic
6. Phoenix_9
7. Saintbatty
8. St Kilda Death
9. Armoooo
10. Pet Wussy
11. Left Billings
12. CursingFijian

Simply because for example us guys who went later in the round in the original draft didn't have first pick early on, and giving us a crack at Ablett, Franklin, Shiel, Bont etc will help even it out. Similarly CursingFijian and the others who went early got their second pick in the mid 20s or so, whereas us at the end of the first round got multiple picks in the teens, so this time around they'll get multiple picks in the teens for example and we'll get first crack which I think is the fairest way to even it out.

 

[Armoooo]

I think there's potential for pick 7-12 to be not that impressed with either pick is the issue.

I think you can pick 12 good players from this pretty easily to be honest. If you want young guns you should have a real quality one available by your first pick, if you want pure points you should be set for both picks. Worst case scenario just pick the player that you think would hold the most value and try and trade for something more your style once lists are finalised.



Gary Ablett

Lance Franklin

Nick Riewoldt

Luke Hodge

Jack Riewoldt

Sam Mitchell

Harry Taylor

Jobe Watson

Daniel Merrett

Matthew Boyd

Scott Thompson

Jordan Lewis

Brent Stanton

Bernie Vince

Corey Enright

Liam Shiels

Andrew Swallow

Stephen Hill

Josh Caddy

Anthony Miles

Cameron Guthrie

Jackson Macrae

Dylan Shiel

Marcus Bontempeli

 

[Armoooo]

Also just a thought.

Maybe we can do the PSD and Rookie Drafts in the reverse order of the re-distribution draft.

It was going to be 12-1 from the National draft but given that the national draft is done in snake order it is already pretty fair. Getting the number 1 pick in this draft over pick 12 would be more of an advantage then getting pick 1 over pick 14 was in the main draft.

Thoughts?

 

[Phoenix_9]

There's no easy answer, and luck is potentially going to give some teams an advantage over the others. But there's not really a fair way to do this unfortunately, unless someone wants to take over Dewah's and Choomah's teams? Could possibly advertise

 

[12Chill]

Also just a thought.

Maybe we can do the PSD and Rookie Drafts in the reverse order of the re-distribution draft.

It was going to be 12-1 from the National draft but given that the national draft is done in snake order it is already pretty fair. Getting the number 1 pick in this draft over pick 12 would be more of an advantage then getting pick 1 over pick 14 was in the main draft.

Thoughts?

Just make the re-distribution draft the reverse order of the national draft as I suggested in post #308. The PSD and rookie drafts can probably stay the same as it won't have much effect on the teams as it's the final few players. The re-distribution draft however should allow the teams that went last in the first round to go first to have a chance to make up for what they missed out on, as well as giving the teams that went first multiple picks in the teens to make up for having an early pick but needing to wait well into the 20s for the second pick. This can be done by reversing the national draft order for the two re-distribution rounds.

 

[saintbatty]

I think allowing the coach who gets pick 1 the opportunity to take another pick before round 13 is double dipping to be honest.

Fair enough, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Yep armos got it right.
Honestly from that pool u would be a fool not to take a free hit on these players.
They are mostly older guys but definitely handy this year.
Whoever gets pick 1 will end up with sauce Merrett at 24 but im sure getting Ablett will make up for it.

 

[Phoenix_9]

Any chance you can use a randomiser to work out the redistribution draft order soon? I'd be keen to know (y)

 

[Left_Billings]

Any chance you can use a randomiser to work out the redistribution draft order soon? I'd be keen to know (y)

Same

 

[Armoooo]

Just make the re-distribution draft the reverse order of the national draft as I suggested in post #308. The PSD and rookie drafts can probably stay the same as it won't have much effect on the teams as it's the final few players. The re-distribution draft however should allow the teams that went last in the first round to go first to have a chance to make up for what they missed out on, as well as giving the teams that went first multiple picks in the teens to make up for having an early pick but needing to wait well into the 20s for the second pick. This can be done by reversing the national draft order for the two re-distribution rounds.

Sorry mate, I missed your post earlier.

Having the re-dis draft be the reversed order of the main draft swings it too far in the other way.

The coach who got the last pick in the National Draft will then get first crack at the bloke who went pick 3.

That would mean he had picks 3, 14 and 15 whereas the bloke who went first would have gotten pick 1, 24 and potentially a player who went in the 80s. It doesn't add up at all I'm afraid.

 

[Armoooo]

Same

I'm on it.

I asked St Kilda Death to randomly generate the numbers 1 - 12 for me and SincMagic to randomly generate the teams for me.

I have St Kilda Death's numbers and when SincMagic gets the teams back to me I will line them up and each team will have their corresponding numbers as their pick.

I wanted to do it for as much transparency as possible...

Let's just hope that me, St Kilda Death and SincMagic end up drawing the top 3 picks

 

[Phoenix_9]

I'm on it.

I asked St Kilda Death to randomly generate the numbers 1 - 12 for me and SincMagic to randomly generate the teams for me.

I have St Kilda Death's numbers and when SincMagic gets the teams back to me I will line them up and each team will have their corresponding numbers as their pick.

I wanted to do it for as much transparency as possible...

Let's just hope that me, St Kilda Death and SincMagic end up drawing the top 3 picks

Haha good strategy. I'll be happy with a top 6

 

[Flandersss]

damn you Left_Billings Martin was mine!!

 

[Armoooo]

The results are in.

I asked St Kilda Death and SincMagic if they could arrange these in any way they choose. St Kilda Death arranged the numbers using a random generator where as SincMagic organised the names alphabetically. Neither knew what the other one was doing.

The numbers were generated as
11 3 4 7 9 10 6 2 5 8 1 12


The coaches were ordered as
1. 12Chill
2. Armoooo
3. Cursing Fijian
4. Felsty
5. King Lonie
6. Left_Billings
7. Majortinkle
8. Petwussy
9. Phoenix_9
10. SaintBatty
11. SincMagic
12. St Kilda Death

This means that the draft order for the re-distribution draft will be (original draft order in brackets):

1. 
   
   1. 
      
   1. SincMagic (10)
      
      
   2. PetWussy (4)
      
      
   3. Armoooo (5)
      
      
   4. CursingFijiian (3)
      
      
   5. Phoenix_9 (9)
      
      
   6. Majortinkle (12)
      
      
   7. Feisty (11)
      
      
   8. Saintbatty (8)
      
      
   9. King Lonie (14)
      
      
   10. Left_Billings (2)
       
       
   11. 12Chill (13)
       
       
   12. St Kilda Death (6)

 

[felsty]

The results are in.

I asked St Kilda Death and SincMagic if they could arrange these in any way they choose. St Kilda Death arranged the numbers using a random generator where as SincMagic organised the names alphabetically. Neither knew what the other one was doing.

The numbers were generated as
11 3 4 7 9 10 6 2 5 8 1 12


The coaches were ordered as
1. 12Chill
2. Armoooo
3. Cursing Fijian
4. Felsty
5. King Lonie
6. Left_Billings
7. Majortinkle
8. Petwussy
9. Phoenix_9
10. SaintBatty
11. SincMagic
12. St Kilda Death

This means that the draft order for the re-distribution draft will be (original draft order in brackets):

1. 1. SincMagic (10)
      
      
   2. PetWussy (4)
      
      
   3. Armoooo (5)
      
      
   4. CursingFijiian (3)
      
      
   5. Phoenix_9 (9)
      
      
   6. Majortinkle (12)
      
      
   7. Feisty (11)
      
      
   8. Saintbatty (8)
      
      
   9. King Lonie (14)
      
      
   10. Left_Billings (2)
       
       
   11. 12Chill (13)
       
       
   12. St Kilda Death (6)

So no Ablett for me?
Hahaha all good. I can live with that.

 

[12Chill]

2nd last again. Damn it. Will check out the player list again, didn't look too bad before, hopefully can pick up 2 good players.

Is the re-distribution draft happening in this thread?

 

[Phoenix_9]

SincMagic let's get this show on the road

 

[Armoooo]

2nd last again. Damn it. Will check out the player list again, didn't look too bad before, hopefully can pick up 2 good players.

Is the re-distribution draft happening in this thread?

I think we will need to look at some form of equalisation but we can look at it after the re-distribution draft.

Looking at the numbers it appears that petwussy, cursingfijiian and myself have been pretty luck in both drafts and 12Chill, King Lonie and to a lesser extent feisty have all been unlucky in both.

We may need to look at some agreement that everyone will be happy with, maybe involving priority picks in the draft. (Maybe treat this as similar to the AFL bidding system where points go into negative the following year).