Schulz for Meesen

[Kyusss]

if we were unable to get Kreuzer do u think this draft would be considered
would adelaide accept it?
wat could sweeten the deal

 

[LVAK]

There is no sweetener because I don't think Richmond would consider this deal .
Meesen is yet to play a senior game

 

[One-eyed Tiger]

Adelaide would jump at that but they would definitely have to sweeten the deal. I wouldn't as I still see a future for Shulz.
Would consider Meyer but conversely Adelaide probably wouldn't.

 

[Kyusss]

asked adelaide fans the same question and all they say is how great his form is in the sanfl and his obviously got talent and just has to develop as a ruckman

i would take schulz for meesen
im at my wits end with schulz though so maybe im biaest

 

[krustyman]

messen lack of games suggest he is no where as good as what he has proclaimed to be. at pick 8 you would have thought he would have been given a run or two to see what he is made of.

 

[Lachy23]

Whats wrong with schulz? i rate him , but alot of other people dont ? i know sometimes he looks like he doesnt want to be out there , is that why some people dont rate him ?? Very accurate kick , good hands & kicks goals everytime he plays ? So whats not to like about him ?

 

[Bojangles17]

Whats wrong with schulz? i rate him , but alot of other people dont ? i know sometimes he looks like he doesnt want to be out there , is that why some people dont rate him ?? Very accurate kick , good hands & kicks goals everytime he plays ? So whats not to like about him ?

i feel there is now a question looming as to how much improvement he has left in the tank...seems to have hit the wall at 2 goals a game without really threatening to do any more...these are the decisions faced with quite a few...Hyde etc...if there is NO upside to players when you come bottom, it's an easy choice ...

 

[LVAK]

asked adelaide fans the same question and all they say is how great his form is in the sanfl and his obviously got talent and just has to develop as a ruckman

i would take schulz for meesen
im at my wits end with schulz though so maybe im biaest

He must have had a better time of it recently because I remember reading a month ago that he was struggling with form. There may be a reason for that and I'm sure he's not finished developing yet.

I know what you mean with Schulz, he is a great kick ,mark etc and seems to have all the tools but can't quite break through. He's still only 22 and he is going to be a decoy alot of the time with Richo leading out. It would be interesting to see just how he goes if he was the number one target. I doubt we would get much for him at the trade table,so I think we just have to stick it out with him

 

[Booms]

Schulz will be a gun when its just him, hughes and riewoldt as the fwd in tandem...richo kills his game - thought he worked really hard on the weekend. I dont think we r in any position to throw away 22yr old Key Position players who can mark and kick goals. Id send Raines home to QLD...we have enough guys who can play half back on our list....Raines for Wood.

 

[banzai]

Isnt Meeson out of contract? If so just take him in the PSD, why give them anything.

 

[_RT_]

He must have had a better time of it recently because I remember reading a month ago that he was struggling with form. There may be a reason for that and I'm sure he's not finished developing yet.

I know what you mean with Schulz, he is a great kick ,mark etc and seems to have all the tools but can't quite break through. He's still only 22 and he is going to be a decoy alot of the time with Richo leading out. It would be interesting to see just how he goes if he was the number one target. I doubt we would get much for him at the trade table,so I think we just have to stick it out with him

If you want to see how he would go as the number 1 target get a copy of the WCE game from early this year. Played on the AA FB and of not for poor conversion could well have kicked a lazy 4. As much as people don't like the idea the day Richo pulls the pin is the time that Schulz and co will blossom.

 

[NETGEAR]

i am sick and ****ing tired of people saying lets get meesen.if this prick was any good he would of been playing ones by now but he has'nt.sounds like he is another one of those young blokes who takes forever to find his feet. don't you think we have enough of those kids on our list already?

 

[C-Dog]

i am sick and ****ing tired of people saying lets get meesen.if this prick was any good he would of been playing ones by now but he has'nt.sounds like he is another one of those young blokes who takes forever to find his feet. don't you think we have enough of those kids on our list already?

similar to danny meyer? meesen went higher in that same draft

 

[jeff99_Au]

I rates Schulz
he is a great shot goal can take a mark
i saw his forward pressure last week
just need to work an backing up from good games an when to calm down.
made a few silly mistakes last week.
has a bit of a temper but he has his best years ahead of him.

i wouldn't really trade anyone from our side we have a young team alot in there ealry 20's give them to grow an if we keep the group together we will have a group of player who know each other well an have played alot together. with a few more kilos an some of our players an alittle more skill training i see a very bright future

 

[Rayzorwire]

I suspect 98% of the people screaming for Meesen to be recruited, haven't actually seen him play.

In the games I've seen, he's been very ordinary - in the SANFL. Sure, I haven't seen him play every game of his career, nor do I have a 100% formed opinion about him, but trust me, if you'd seen him actually play you wouldn't be talking of trading Schulz or anyone actually worth anything for him.

I think there's pretty strong comparisons to Angus.

And all this fails to account for the fact that the only reason Adelaide would trade him - given the mature age ruck problems they'll likely have in the next few seasons - is if they were very sure he was not going to make it.

 

[richcogs]

He's played 47 games and averages:

5.8 disposals
3 marks
1 goal

....A GAME!

THAT'S HIS GAME AVERAGE!

DUD DUD DUD!!!

 

[krustyman]

He's played 47 games and averages:

5.8 disposals
3 marks
1 goal

....A GAME!

THAT'S HIS GAME AVERAGE!

DUD DUD DUD!!!

and 0 games in 3 years is better.

 

[Rayzorwire]

FWIW, compliments of the Collingwood board:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349729

As we seem to be posting individual threads on ruck prospects now, here's another.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...-21544,00.html

ZAC MILBANK
July 18, 2007 02:15am

ADELAIDE ruckman John Meesen has responded in a desperate bid to save his AFL career at West Lakes.
Challenged by the inner sanctum at Adelaide after a "non-competitive" effort in the Norwood reserves a fortnight ago, Meesen stepped up for the Redlegs in ominous fashion on Sunday.
Leading Norwood's ruck, Meesen's first half in the league game against Glenelg was a complete turnaround as he roamed Challenge Recruitment Oval like a midfielder.
While he understandably tired in the last half – he is still building fitness after missing the first half of the season with a knee injury – Meesen's improvement hasn't gone unnoticed.
So much so, Crows operations manager John Reid said the 200cm giant would be considered for his AFL debut if he can maintain his sudden resurgence.
"If he can hold that form for a couple of weeks there may be some opportunities for him (at AFL level)," Reid said.
"Norwood plays him up forward as well as on the ball and it may well be that an opportunity arises for him (with the Crows).
"It's pleasing that he's starting to show a bit of form and his job now is to build on that and maintain it for a period.
"If he can for a couple of weeks, it's something we need to consider (promoting him)."
Admitting Meesen had to "get a bit of confidence back in his knee", Reid said outsiders didn't realise the significance of the ailment.
"He missed a fair bit of the season with injury and he's taken a bit of time to get back to a bit of form," Reid noted.
"It was a pretty serious injury, more serious than what people realised."
Not only did Meesen work hard in the centre square – he amassed 20 of Norwood's 27 hitouts – but he also managed to chalk up 12 disposals, seven marks and four tackles.
While the tackles illustrated an improved work-rate, it was Meesen's ability to go forward – where he also kicked two goals - which showed off the first-round draft pick's versatility.
"He's the sort of player who can play as a midfielder rather than a ruckman," Norwood coach Trevor Hill said.
"His work up forward was really good and he showed a lot more strength around the contests.
"That was easily the best game he's played since coming back from injury, up until last week he had struggled. The game against Central he was quite non-competitive."
Praising Meesen's attitude at The Parade, Hill said the 21-year-old could still reach the Dean Cox tag which came with his drafting at No.8 in 2004.
"I think that's what he got drafted on, that he could have been another Dean Cox," Hill said.
"The so-called experts gave him that tag which I reckon was a bit unfair.

"His body is still developing, but I think he's one of those lads who, in another couple of years, could be a stronger presence around the place.
"Something tells me he could be a late developer and that he could become a good around-the-ground ruckman."

Brings us up to date a bit better and puts his recent form into the proper context.

 

[Ando_4]

If you want to see how he would go as the number 1 target get a copy of the WCE game from early this year. Played on the AA FB and of not for poor conversion could well have kicked a lazy 4. As much as people don't like the idea the day Richo pulls the pin is the time that Schulz and co will blossom.

Totally agree Realistic.
The setup that day of Schulz at FF and Hughes at CHF with Richardson roaming up the ground worked as well as our forward line has all year.
He had a shockingly uncharacteristic bad day with the boot and it rattled his confidence.
Couldn't give a **** if he gets 5-10 possessions if he is kicking goals
He was one of our better players in Sundays debacle.
The goal he snapped off the ground was extremely encouraging and it was obvious he was trying damn hard despite yet again dealing with shithouse midfield delivery.

Calls for a trade with Meeesen(who?) are ridiculous.
Schulz will see out his contract in '08.

 

[Drummond]

There is no sweetener because I don't think Richmond would consider this deal .
Meesen is yet to play a senior game

They would do more than consider it, they would do it without question.

Adelaide would jump at that but they would definitely have to sweeten the deal. I wouldn't as I still see a future for Shulz.
Would consider Meyer but conversely Adelaide probably wouldn't.

No, no we wouldn't. We've put too much time and effort into Meesen to simply get rid of him for Shulz who is averaging about 6 possessions per game in his career.

asked adelaide fans the same question and all they say is how great his form is in the sanfl and his obviously got talent and just has to develop as a ruckman

i would take schulz for meesen
im at my wits end with schulz though so maybe im biaest

I bet you would. We wouldn't.

messen lack of games suggest he is no where as good as what he has proclaimed to be. at pick 8 you would have thought he would have been given a run or two to see what he is made of.

In 2005 he played 9 SANFL games but was pretty much out of his depth. He suffered a knee injury in the second half of the year which kept him out for the remainder of the season.

In 2006 he played all 20 games in the SANFL and had a very solid season. He was an emergency for the Crows on 2 occasions and came very close to making his debut. He didn't but on the whole it was a good development year for Meesen and he made huge strides.

And this year as I said he was expected to debut in Round 1 however he suffered a very serious knee injury during the pre-season which kept him out for 3 months.

If he was at any other club he would have made his debut however we are very conservative in our approach with youngsters.

Isnt Meeson out of contract? If so just take him in the PSD, why give them anything.

IF Meesen does go home, it won't be for nothing. You can be sure of that.

i am sick and ****ing tired of people saying lets get meesen.if this prick was any good he would of been playing ones by now but he has'nt.sounds like he is another one of those young blokes who takes forever to find his feet. don't you think we have enough of those kids on our list already?

Why are you insulting him? Ease up.

I suspect 98% of the people screaming for Meesen to be recruited, haven't actually seen him play.

In the games I've seen, he's been very ordinary - in the SANFL. Sure, I haven't seen him play every game of his career, nor do I have a 100% formed opinion about him, but trust me, if you'd seen him actually play you wouldn't be talking of trading Schulz or anyone actually worth anything for him.

I think there's pretty strong comparisons to Angus.

And all this fails to account for the fact that the only reason Adelaide would trade him - given the mature age ruck problems they'll likely have in the next few seasons - is if they were very sure he was not going to make it.

Ummm no. I’ve seen Meesen more than anyone on this site and he’s a great prospect. Sure he’s put in the odd poor performance but he’s still very young, especially for a ruckman, and he will have his up’s and down’s. But the potential is there and anyone who’s seen him play on a frequent basis would know what he’s capable of in the future.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

messen lack of games suggest he is no where as good as what he has proclaimed to be. at pick 8 you would have thought he would have been given a run or two to see what he is made of.

See Hamish McIntosh.

 

[LVAK]

They would do more than consider it, they would do it without question.


Drummond, I know you are a big Meesen fan but and he has time on his side but you are going to struggle to get a decent trade for him.
I agree that as a ruckman that his best is probably ahead of him but like Schulz at Richmond, I think you will need to persist with him as I think anyone that is in any way interested would be willing to let him go to the PSD or even rookie.
Remember Richmond will have the No.1 pick in both. Like McIntosh and Hale he may come alive in his fourth year but I don't think anyone is going to take a chance on anything better than a third rounder and in that case I think he will be let go if Maric and Griffin are seen as better options.
Dependent upon how he goes for the rest of the year and a heart to heart talk about his willingness to be a career footballer , I would like to see us get him but not for a pick that we are going to use e.g fourth round or lower
If that means we don't get him , then so be it.