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First things first. I am a lifelong Port supporter.

I posted this thread on a Port fan website and you'd think I was Judas.

The point I was trying to make was, I think Scott Hodges's standing as a footballer is inflated because so much of what he achieved was in a clearly inferior SANFL competition (not that I didn't enjoy every minute of them by the way).

The facts are, if Scott Hodges was this unreserved champions so many of my fellow Port supporters claim he is, why wasn't he kicking 100+ goals per year in the AFL?

I need some neutral opinion on this one.
 
Firstly, let me state upfront I am a Centrals supporter, therefore neutral in this discussion.

I agree with your comments, on the basis that Hodges (like many other footballers) was an outstanding SANFL footballer, but for whatever reason could not make an impact on the AFL.

Personally, it appeared that the injuries he was able to carry in SANFL were too great to overcome in AFL. He also found it more difficult with the higher standard of backmen in the AFL.

Cheers
 
He should never have played for the Adelaide Crows!!!

Didnt fit in, didnt get along with the coach, taken off at a critical stage in a critical match (1993) a decision that was to prove costly!

Injuries did play a major role in his lack of success as an AFL footballer!!!!

A thorn in the side of many an SANFL Club, I'll never forget the goal he kicked from the Members pocket to the Lake End in the 96 Preliminary, sent me to tears!!
 
He had a rubber chest:D

I think injuries played a major part, lus all the contract wrangling can't have helped.

I really rated Hodges when he started for the Crows and was happ when he kicked those 11 goals against Geelong.

Went downhill from there though.

He started playing with Seaton Ramblers again last week in a shock move. Don't know if its permanant. (He is the coach)
 

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As a neutral supporter (Collingwood), Scott Hodges was a stand-out in the SANFL.

He struggled at AFL level, however don't forget he was not the spearhead during his stint at the crows. A fellow by the name of Modra was at his peak and was the main full forward. It would have been difficult for Hodges playing in a forward pocket and not being on the end of most of the forays forward.
 
Just the other day, I was just listening to an old audio recording of me and mates blind drunk in about 1997ish ... and at one stage they were all bagging Scott Cummings, then suddenly omeone bagged Hodges, and fellow Bigfooty poster and mate FitzroyRamone stood up for him and sang his praises.

Everyone else was bagging FR and applauding his 'joke', but he continued to insist he was being serious.

So there you go, I found a fan.
 
Hodges was a decent AFL footballer. The 150 goal SANFL season and contract wrangling built the expectation that he would be a superstar at the next level - that was never going to happen. It's a big step from beating the likes of Chris Duthy and Paul Arnold to beating someone like Stephen Silvagni or Chris Langford.
 
From memory he also got much better delivery from the Magpies than he did from the Crows. He was much better as a leading forward than a player who was going to take a lot of pack marks.

To this day the Crows still haven't learnt to kick the ball in front of a forward instead of 2 metres over his head, much to my constant annoyance.

Hodges was a great SANFL player, but was never going to be more than an average to good AFL player. He probably never even achieved that with AFC.
 
As a non Port fan I disagree with your comments.
I dont blame Port fans for blasting you.
Scott was a great full forward ).
He would have had a much bigger impact on the AFL if a decent coach had a hold of him, to this day I still cant believe Cornsey took Hodges off at the 93 prelim as he cost his club a premiership.
I was right behind the goals at that game and the amount of goals he was creating that day was frightening, he created a lot of space for Modra also.
Cornse takes him off, the Crows turn a match winning lead into a loss after the forward line is in total disarray.
 
Who will ever forget that absolutely horrific footage in slow motion of Hodges landing on his foot after a high mark attempt and it snapping at right angles at the ankle.perhaps one of the most agonising pieces of Football television I have seen.

PA1870
 
Decent player at AFL level - is probably unfairly criticised for his time at the Crows mainly because the expectations were unfairly high.

Could've held down full forward for a lot longer had Modra not come in and dominated and pretty much made it impossible for the Crows not to play Modra instead. The reality is that both of these guys were essentially only full forwards and in tandem they weren't consistently playing well and Hodges was the lesser of the two.


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Remember that Mike Murphy was about then too, he had a couple of big days in Crow colours, their game/goal tallies in 92 were Hodges 13/48, Modra 8/21 and Murphy 8/23.
 
Originally posted by Adrian Shelton
Remember that Mike Murphy was about then too, he had a couple of big days in Crow colours, their game/goal tallies in 92 were Hodges 13/48, Modra 8/21 and Murphy 8/23.
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I liked Murphy. Blast from the past there !
As for Hodges, yes, he was a top player and you cant fluke 153 goals in a season. (1990). He hurt us enough but you have to respect him despite that.
 

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Im a Port supporter and he is my favourite player of all time.

The amount of times he won games for Port Adelaide was amazing. After coming back from a terrible broken leg...he kicked 120 goals the next season - the sign of a true champion. Not only did he kick 100 goals, he won the prelim for the pies with the most miraculous goal ive seen, and then went on to basically single handedly defeat the Bulldogs (7 goals out of 11).

As for his AFL days.

Had the coach not have played him out of position a lot of the time, and not totally ruined any confidence Scott had in himself and his abilities then he probably would have done a lot better. Had he been left at Full Forward, like a Full FOrward is supposed to be (back in those days) then he probably would have kicked a lot more goals. Instead he had Cornes who loved to take him out of Full Forward and replace him witht he likes of Jameson, Murphy, Mcintyre, Lindner and Modra.

Kicked 48 goals in 92. Not a bad effort from 13 games, from a middle of the table club and who also had 3 other full forwards in the team.


I couldnt care about his AFL achievements really. He performed miracles for my club basically every second week and never let us down in a big game. Thats all that matters to me. Kicked 4 goals each in the 88 and 89 Grand Finals. Kicked 13 goals in the 90 Prelim Final (kicked 8 in the first quarter), kicked 6 goals in a wonderful 1990 Grand Final, kicked another 6 in the 92 Grand Final...kicked 6 and won us the 1994 Grand Final....kicked 7 in the 96 Grand Final. Then theres other finals like the 96 Prelim, the 93 Qualifying final (kicked 6 goals in the first quarter) and other games where he totally dominated.

In my eyes...he is a champion. Thats all i care about.
 
Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
Who will ever forget that absolutely horrific footage in slow motion of Hodges landing on his foot after a high mark attempt and it snapping at right angles at the ankle.perhaps one of the most agonising pieces of Football television I have seen.
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You're not thinking of Round 1 1995 v Glenelg @ Football Park?

No marking contest involved. The ball had gone to ground. Hodges was just getting up off the ground to attack the ball when Jarrod Hocking came in from the side and shoved him off the contest. Spotty fell backwards on his leg, which snapped. I've seen the footage of that incident many a time.

Great game, that. Been a long time since Glenelg last kicked 12 goals into the wind in a quarter :D

Was there another time that Spotty broke his leg?
 
Originally posted by Uncle Steve
You're not thinking of Round 1 1995 v Glenelg @ Football Park?

No marking contest involved. The ball had gone to ground. Hodges was just getting up off the ground to attack the ball when Jarrod Hocking came in from the side and shoved him off the contest. Spotty fell backwards on his leg, which snapped. I've seen the footage of that incident many a time.

Great game, that. Been a long time since Glenelg last kicked 12 goals into the wind in a quarter :D

Was there another time that Spotty broke his leg?
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Must of been it..I havent seen the footage since, but all I remeber is the foot turning 90 degrees and flopping about...I cringe just thinking about it...Thanks for the correction..

regards

PA1870
 
Re: Re: Scott Hodges Overrated?

Originally posted by Macca19
Im a Port supporter and he is my favourite player of all time.

The amount of times he won games for Port Adelaide was amazing. After coming back from a terrible broken leg...he kicked 120 goals the next season - the sign of a true champion. Not only did he kick 100 goals, he won the prelim for the pies with the most miraculous goal ive seen, and then went on to basically single handedly defeat the Bulldogs (7 goals out of 11).

As for his AFL days.

Had the coach not have played him out of position a lot of the time, and not totally ruined any confidence Scott had in himself and his abilities then he probably would have done a lot better. Had he been left at Full Forward, like a Full FOrward is supposed to be (back in those days) then he probably would have kicked a lot more goals. Instead he had Cornes who loved to take him out of Full Forward and replace him witht he likes of Jameson, Murphy, Mcintyre, Lindner and Modra.

Kicked 48 goals in 92. Not a bad effort from 13 games, from a middle of the table club and who also had 3 other full forwards in the team.


I couldnt care about his AFL achievements really. He performed miracles for my club basically every second week and never let us down in a big game. Thats all that matters to me. Kicked 4 goals each in the 88 and 89 Grand Finals. Kicked 13 goals in the 90 Prelim Final (kicked 8 in the first quarter), kicked 6 goals in a wonderful 1990 Grand Final, kicked another 6 in the 92 Grand Final...kicked 6 and won us the 1994 Grand Final....kicked 7 in the 96 Grand Final. Then theres other finals like the 96 Prelim, the 93 Qualifying final (kicked 6 goals in the first quarter) and other games where he totally dominated.

In my eyes...he is a champion. Thats all i care about.
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Just imagine what he could of achieved if his head was "straight" over the ball macca:D
 

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Originally posted by L-Nizzy
I liked him when I was younger.. and I reckon, at least from what I can remember, Tony Modra coming along killed any chance he had.
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It was a combination of Modra coming through and injury that halted Scott's development.

Hodges second half of 92 was pretty good. After getting hit in the head in the game against the Roys his form and confidence grew. He was a key part of the Crows having a string of wins late that year.

I remember in the 93 pre season games, Hodges and Modra would play a half each to determine who would get the gig in round 1.

Hodges was the favourite, however in the lead up to round 1, Hodges was injured. Modra was included at the last minute for the game against the Tiges. And the rest is history.

Jerome
 
Perfect example of a bloke that spent a long time playing at one level, was not able to take it up to the top level dominantly. Would of love to have seen him drafted as an 18 year old today though
 
he was a great player....even his AFL record is good.

I think he kicked 100 goals in 40 games 2.5 per game or something like that.

If my memory serves me correctly, the only player to have kicked more goals per game for the crows is Modra.

2nd after 12 years in the comp is not bad (excluding those who played < 20 games). And as others have pointed out already these were in difficult circumstances.

If he turned up today and average 53 goals a year the crows would be labelling him "the forward we have been looking for".

Great player.

VM
 
Re: Re: Scott Hodges Overrated?

Originally posted by Macca19
Im a Port supporter and he is my favourite player of all time.

The amount of times he won games for Port Adelaide was amazing. After coming back from a terrible broken leg...he kicked 120 goals the next season - the sign of a true champion. Not only did he kick 100 goals, he won the prelim for the pies with the most miraculous goal ive seen, and then went on to basically single handedly defeat the Bulldogs (7 goals out of 11).

As for his AFL days.

Had the coach not have played him out of position a lot of the time, and not totally ruined any confidence Scott had in himself and his abilities then he probably would have done a lot better. Had he been left at Full Forward, like a Full FOrward is supposed to be (back in those days) then he probably would have kicked a lot more goals. Instead he had Cornes who loved to take him out of Full Forward and replace him witht he likes of Jameson, Murphy, Mcintyre, Lindner and Modra.

Kicked 48 goals in 92. Not a bad effort from 13 games, from a middle of the table club and who also had 3 other full forwards in the team.


I couldnt care about his AFL achievements really. He performed miracles for my club basically every second week and never let us down in a big game. Thats all that matters to me. Kicked 4 goals each in the 88 and 89 Grand Finals. Kicked 13 goals in the 90 Prelim Final (kicked 8 in the first quarter), kicked 6 goals in a wonderful 1990 Grand Final, kicked another 6 in the 92 Grand Final...kicked 6 and won us the 1994 Grand Final....kicked 7 in the 96 Grand Final. Then theres other finals like the 96 Prelim, the 93 Qualifying final (kicked 6 goals in the first quarter) and other games where he totally dominated.

In my eyes...he is a champion. Thats all i care about.
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Couldn't have said it better myself Macca, agree with every word.
 
He had one of the best early Crows mullets..of which there was plenty. A solid A.F.L player, a couple of games from being a good player.
 
Hodges was a very good full forward at SANFL level but possibly lacked the height and leg speed needed to dominate a key forward position in the AFL.
Can't understand why people would bag him though, I thought he did as well as he could with the talent he had.
 

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