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I gt this idea from the main board and I was wondering what we thing are our set in concrete position. Who has secured their spot in our best 22 so that even when they are out of form or coming back from injury after a month on the sidelines, walk straight back into the side. Here is who I think has a "golden pass":p

F: Welsh Stevens ??????
HF: ?????? Carey Johncock
C: Stenglein Ricciuto Burton
HB: ?????? ?????? Edwards
B: Smart ?????? Hart
1R: Clarke/Biglands Goodwin McLeod

Thoughts??????
 
I agree with Kane that McGregor is a certainty for CHB and I also can't see any rival to Bassett at FB at this stage.

Stenglein is only just in and Smart is on the edge.

Adding McGregor and Bassett to your list would only leave 6 spots in the 22 up for grabs.
 
3 players i rate as near certanties if they can continue last years form are

Ian Perrie
Kris Massie
Matthew Bode

this gives us 19 secured spots, this means we have a very settled line up which is a key to being a good consistent side!!
 

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Originally posted by RooDog
3 players i rate as near certanties if they can continue last years form are

Ian Perrie
Kris Massie
Matthew Bode

this gives us 19 secured spots, this means we have a very settled line up which is a key to being a good consistent side!!
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When talking about form (as opposed to cementing spots), I agree what your saying about Perrie & Massie ... but Bode had an ordinary 2003 IMO.
 
I thought about Kenny at CHB but I thought if he had an injury that kept him out of footy for 4 weeks, I would think that someone like Scott Stevens would step up and take his spot while Kenny gets some fitness in SANFL. (ie he won't come back straight into the side)

Bassett is anything but secure especially after late last year. If anyone steps up to be a decent FB, Bassett is on the outer. If Parker continues to develop at a rate he did last year he is almost a certainty for a starting spot next year.

Despite his poor form last year Stenglein is extremely vital cog in our side. He is our best run with player who can get possesions himself. I really can't see anyone taking his spot.

I wouldn't have Smart in our best 22 but it was obvious last year that he is given every opportunity. He was extremely ordinary for some 4-5 weeks last year and was never in doubt of being dropped hence my belief that his spot is safe. I don't agree with it but it would appear that the match committee wouldn't drop him if he has a poor form.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I wouldn't have Smart in our best 22 but it was obvious last year that he is given every opportunity. He was extremely ordinary for some 4-5 weeks last year and was never in doubt of being dropped hence my belief that his spot is safe. I don't agree with it but it would appear that the match committee wouldn't drop him if he has a poor form.
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Remember for his testimonial game he was relegated to the bench. Probably would have been dropped if it wasn't his testimonial game. I don't believe he is as safe as you are mentioning.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Despite his poor form last year Stenglein is extremely vital cog in our side. He is our best run with player who can get possesions himself. I really can't see anyone taking his spot.
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Was overtaken by Shirley last year, so not guaranteed IMO.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Was overtaken by Shirley last year, so not guaranteed IMO.
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Half a season doesn't make an AFL footballer. It became blatantly obvious last year that Shirley struggles with bigger/stronger midfielders in the comp. He can go with them for a half but he gets killed after half-time break. Yes, Shirley is good against the likes of Judd and those players that are a bit faster but not necessarilly stronger. He sticks to them like glue and doesn't allow them to run into open space where they can get possesions. Players like Buckley, Voss and bigger midfielders in general give him trouble.

Against Buckley he did OK in the 1st half but got killed in the 2nd half. he got found out badly. Not a number 1 tagger in my books.

Give me Stenglein over Shirley anyday.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Half a season doesn't make an AFL footballer. It became blatantly obvious last year that Shirley struggles with bigger/stronger midfielders in the comp. He can go with them for a half but he gets killed after half-time break. Yes, Shirley is good against the likes of Judd and those players that are a bit faster but not necessarilly stronger. He sticks to them like glue and doesn't allow them to run into open space where they can get possesions. Players like Buckley, Voss and bigger midfielders in general give him trouble.

Against Buckley he did OK in the 1st half but got killed in the 2nd half. he got found out badly. Not a number 1 tagger in my books.

Give me Stenglein over Shirley anyday.
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Stiffy, I wasn't arguing over who is better credentialled, as we all know Stinger has more runs on the board over his career. However, his form was poor in 2003 & Shirley leapfrogged him as our main run-with player. IMO, neither has a claim to have comented their spot, unlike our gun 4 midfielders.
 
Stenglein is defintley should not be a certain starter but no doubt will be

I thought Smart had a very good year last year and will be a walk up start if fit. He wouldn't have carried on otherwise

F Welsh Stevens
HF Carey Johncock
Centre Burton Ricciuto Reilly
HB McGregor Smart
FB Hart Edwards
R Clarke Biglands McLeod Goodwin

Big call on Reilly I know but if he is fit I reckon they will use him first up like they did last year.

Would say one of Torney or Massie will also play but not certain which one.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stiffy, I wasn't arguing over who is better credentialled, as we all know Stinger has more runs on the board over his career. However, his form was poor in 2003 & Shirley leapfrogged him as our main run-with player. IMO, neither has a claim to have comented their spot, unlike our gun 4 midfielders.
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I am not aguing either just stating that Stenglein is more established than Shirley and since all sides have a tagger these days Stenglein is safe. Not because he is a gun.

I wouldn't say Stenglein was leapfrogged because we played with 2 tagers. Both Stenglein and Shirley had players to negate. I don't think it had nothing to do with Stenglein's poor form more with the fact that Shirley was in good form and didn't deserve to be dropped. Hence we changed our tactics a bit and played with 2 taggers rather than one.
 
Originally posted by Jars458
Big call on Reilly I know but if he is fit I reckon they will use him first up like they did last year.

Would say one of Torney or Massie will also play but not certain which one.
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Jars, hope your right on Reilly, but wouldn't say he has cemented his place yet.

Was also thinking that Massie is close to certainty too. Would think he is ahead of JT in the pecking order.
 

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Originally posted by Jars458

Would say one of Torney or Massie will also play but not certain which one.
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Same problem. I'm pretty sure that one of them will play as well but not 100% sure which one.

Massie's had the better start so far having his first injury free pre-season for some time, and Torney's been hampered with injury to date.
 
Originally posted by macca23
Same problem. I'm pretty sure that one of them will play as well but not 100% sure which one.

Massie's had the better start so far having his first injury free pre-season for some time, and Torney's been hampered with injury to date.
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A real dillema. Both of them are similar players with Torney having a bit more pace than Massie.

One of them will definetly play as I feel they are fighting for the same spot in the best 22. Last year Massie was in career best form to date and kept on improving as the year went on. Torney on th eother hand started like a house on fire and was struggling by the end of the year. I am a huge fan of both and both are courageous (Torney just a little bit more:p) but I get the feeling that Massie will get the nod.

Massie has never been able to play a full season without missing 6 or more games through injury. Torney on the other hand has not missed a game through injury for some 3 odd years. At least we have depth and competition for spots for a tough as nails half back flanker who can provide rebound out of defence.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Despite his poor form last year Stenglein is extremely vital cog in our side. He is our best run with player who can get possesions himself. I really can't see anyone taking his spot.
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Went back and reviewed his stats last year.
He halved his possessions in the 2nd half of the season, compared to the first half season.
I was critical of his disposal, but obviously my views on his 2003 form, was probably based as much on what i saw in 2nd half of the season.
Despite this can't see where he is a critical part of the structure - hasn't shown positional flexibility, or game winning qualities.
 
Gee Stiffy, not many qualify under your guidelines ( particularly a month off with injury) but here goes

Dead set starters:
Carey, Ricciuto, Hart, Macleod, Edwards, Goodwin (6)

Dead set starters (barring a month long injury):
Biglands, Burton, Clarke, Johncock, Massie, McGregor, Perrie, Welsh, Stevens (9)

Certain starters if they play to their potential:
Begley, Torney, Stenglein, Reilly (4)

Thats 19 certain starters, without injury problems.

Players capable of becoming certain starters:
Bassett, Bode, Burns, Ladhams, Schuback (5)

Real possibilities going into 04 (could step up):
S.Stevens, Shirley, Krueger, Mattner, Hentschell (5)

The rest is "your guess is as good as mine"
Thats 29 players, finals sides often play 32 players during a season.
I left Watts out, because I would prefer not to see him this year, for his and our longterm benefit (injury)
Picked Krueger though because he's 2 years older, has league experience, and might be a little more advanced than Watts at this point.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gee Stiffy, not many qualify under your guidelines ( particularly a month off with injury) but here goes
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I know. The reason I asked this question was to see how many people we have as dead set certainties. The more certainties we have the more settled we are likely to be.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Name me one side that doesn't have a tagger??????
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I've been waiting patiently here for exactly that reply.

Football is a very fashionable game
- trends change all the time, short time ago all clubs only had one ruckman, now the trend is going back to 2.
Short answer is "how important are taggers to the success of a team"??? Because they're deemed important last year, will they be as important in 2004, or will some innovative coach create a new fashionable trend in football by not having specific taggers.

Question: did Brisbane win 3 flags on the trot because of their taggers???
By the way who is their #1 tagger (or as is now fashionably called a "run with player"
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Question: did Brisbane win 3 flags on the trot because of their taggers???
By the way who is their #1 tagger (or as is now fashionably called a "run with player"
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Shaun Hart is Brisbane's #1 tagger and I am pretty sure he was the Norm Smith Medalist in their first premiership so I would say yes their taggers were vital cogs in their premiership teams.

Match winning abilities are something that a lot of poeple don't understand. Just because a bloke doesn't rack up 30odd posessions and kicks a bag of goals doesn't mean they are not match winners. Stenglein's negating job on oppositions best midfielders is just as important as Roo getting 30 odd touches and kicking a couple of goals.

The bottom line is that even great sides like Brisbane rely on taggers to help them win games. Same goes for every other side including us. Stenglein is our best tagger.
 
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Question: did Brisbane win 3 flags on the trot because of their taggers???
By the way who is their #1 tagger (or as is now fashionably called a "run with player"
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Shaun Ashley Hart is his name. Number 32 and 32 years of age. Always does a number on Andrew McLeod, and is a great little footballer.

You're basically correct though. Apart from Hart, Brisbane's mid-field concentrate on ripping the opposition to shreds, rather than tagging. Brisbane won 3 flags mainly because of the quality of their attacking mid-field and a great spine.
 

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