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Selection poser for Craig
3:11:21 PM Sat 12 February, 2005
Alan Shiell
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Listen to Neil Craig

Adelaide coach Neil Craig has forecast some early selection headaches for his match committee this season as it strives to achieve the ideal youth-and-experience balance, particularly with the forward set-up.

Mark Stevens' successful return from injury and the good pre-season form of other tall forwards have magnified the Crows' dilemma - albeit a pleasant one - at this early stage.

Stevens' four-goal second-half effort at full-forward in Adelaide's 125-point thrashing of a young, undermanned Norwood-North Adelaide side in a practice match at Norwood Oval on Friday night suggested he had made a sound recovery from the groin and knee injuries that restricted him to just three AFL matches last season.



Craig qualified his post-match evaluations by saying: "You've got to be a bit careful. The opposition was nowhere near the standard that you can make too many judgments on, but I thought our intensity to play the game was good."

And he said of Stevens: "He gave us some real strong aerial power. We went to the full-forward area with some confidence.

"More importantly for Mark, he's come a long way. He's put a lot of work in, he's been very diligent with his preparation. He's been under some pressure as far as being listed versus delisted, and to get through without injuring himself is a big plus for him.

"So if he can continue that, you would expect that Mark's going to play a pretty important role for us throughout the year.

"That's going to be a real balancing act for us - (Trent) Hentschel, Stevens, (Ian) Perrie, (Nathan) Bock, (Scott) Welsh. They're all pleasing signs and hopefully it's going to be a headache for the match committee to get the balance there.

"Having said all that, I'm not going to back away from the fact that we've got to play some kids, so that's the pressure that a guy like Mark Stevens will feel.

"That's not saying he won't play. I'm just saying that the pressure is that Bock, Hentschel … and Perrie now looks like he's coming of age … they're the ones now putting pressure on those senior guys."

The likelihood of Adelaide playing three ruckmen in its 22 - Matthew Clarke, Rhett Biglands and Ben Hudson - also puts a squeeze on the forwards, with the versatile, mobile and long-kicking Biglands able to play a key-position role in attack or defence.

And 200-centimetre draftee ruckman John Meesen, 18, from Geelong Falcons underlined his immense potential during stints in both practice matches on Friday night, with Craig saying later: "It's the best I've seen him move for us - much better in the late game than the early game."

Meesen and another 18-year-old draftee, former West Perth midfielder Nathan Van Berlo, described by Craig as 'looking really composed', could be given further exposure in the Wizard Home Loans Cup, in which Craig indicated the Crows would be experimenting with some youngsters and positions while still 'playing to win - very much so'.

Of Brent Reilly's dominant display as a midfielder, Craig said: "Brent's done a lot of weight work. He's carried on from where he left off last year, in terms of that intensity. The next part of his education is to be able to become a regular AFL player, and I'm talking now of being fit and sound to play 22 games.

"Whether that's in the midfield this year on a regular basis, I'm not sure. Ideally, it would be nice for him to be able to come off a back flank and just learn his footy back there. But it'll be up to him."



Hmmm, Stevo has his attention, so does Reilly. GOOD!

The Count will get a chance and I doubt if he will fall from the side for round 1.
 
We have a few options we can use in the attack and while many here are against Biglands being played in the FP, the idea itself has a lot of merit. It will certainly be interesting who gets selected for the game against Port next week let alone the 22 for round 1 against West Coast.

Based on what I have seen last night there are a lot of players pushing for a game next week and thats not even considering that the likes of Edwards, Bode and maybe Begley who are likely to play.

I think we will all agree that these type of selection ideas are the ones we would love to have all the time.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
We have a few options we can use in the attack and while many here are against Biglands being played in the FP, the

And i'd be one of them. With Stevens, Perrie, Pertenshel and Welshy the forward line is a bit tall as it is, and i'm sick of the notion that Welshy can be played as a crumber, his natural game is the lead and mark.

I like the set up with Skippy and Stiffy as small forwards but i would like to see Burton added as he is too unreliable to be played anywhere else but too talented too be gotten rid of!
 
I rather enjoyed this article. It's great to hear that there are plenty of players pushing for the 22, something which we haven't had for a while.

Good to hear Reilly, Stevens and Van Berlo all mentioned. I'm looking very forward to hearing our team this week. :)

Does anyone think Ladhams will play in the Wizard Cup? Given his form on the track and last night, I wouldn't be be that surprised.
 

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Based purely on last night's showing Ladhams would be in my best 18 let alone 24. However, someone said today that Craig was heard after the game yesterday saying that Ladhams still has a long way to go as far as fitness is concerned so based on that he would be a bit of an iffy selection.

Apparently his aerobic capacity isn't that good and he struggles to run out a game. If he is to play as a HFF who has a run on the ball then he better improve this. There is no doubt the bloke can play but he needs to get fitter according to NC.

Anyone game enough to pick the squad for the game against Port?????? I tried and I am really struggling to pick a side that will likely play against Port. So many players have put their hand up. It is hard enough to pick a side from players that played last night but when you take into account that the likes of Edwards, Bode and maybe Begley should be fit then its even harder.
 
Apparently his aerobic capacity isn't that good and he struggles to run out a game.

He was absolutely struggling at one point in the middle of the last quarter. Was hunched over sucking in the big ones for about five minutes while the ball was 100 metres away. Didn't appear to have taken a big hit or anything, so I guess that's the explination. Though there was some speculation it might've been leather poisoning from the drunk bloke behind me.
 
acg_204* said:
He was absolutely struggling at one point in the middle of the last quarter. Was hunched over sucking in the big ones for about five minutes while the ball was 100 metres away. Didn't appear to have taken a big hit or anything, so I guess that's the explination. Though there was some speculation it might've been leather poisoning from the drunk bloke behind me.
Gee whiz!!!!!!

I must admit I haven't seen that but if he struggles to run out a game where the quarters are 15 minutes flat then what chance has he got in the real stuff :eek:

That sure is a worrying sign especially considering he was being rotated from midfield to HFF.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Anyone game enough to pick the squad for the game against Port?????? I tried and I am really struggling to pick a side that will likely play against Port. So many players have put their hand up. It is hard enough to pick a side from players that played last night but when you take into account that the likes of Edwards, Bode and maybe Begley should be fit then its even harder.

At this point in time I couldn't given a justifiable squad, because after several tries I realised it is very, very difficult. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

I'm still wondering whether Thompson and Nye will be avaliable. I reckon Ryan might just get a chance given he has been impressive at training (even more so in my opinion than Hinge) and could do some nice things in that back pocket which doesn't seem suited to anyone but Hart.

Thommo should be right but shinsplints are very, very frustrating and are quite serious, as is the length of the injury. It'll be interesting to see if NC does go with Thommo, especially given his very restricted pre-season program and lack of ball work so far.
 
Bockchoy67 said:
At this point in time I couldn't given a justifiable squad, because after several tries I realised it is very, very difficult. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

I'm still wondering whether Thompson and Nye will be avaliable. I reckon Ryan might just get a chance given he has been impressive at training (even more so in my opinion than Hinge) and could do some nice things in that back pocket which doesn't seem suited to anyone but Hart.

Thommo should be right but shinsplints are very, very frustrating and are quite serious, as is the length of the injury. It'll be interesting to see if NC does go with Thommo, especially given his very restricted pre-season program and lack of ball work so far.
Thommo definetly won't play against Port. Not because of shins but because he nicked a calf in one of the training sessions last week.

Doubt whether Nye would get a game. He did a hammy and they usually take more than a week to overcome. From youngsters I think Meesen and Van Berlo are genuine chances. I have never been more excited by a youngster like I have been with Meesen. I know I am a bit of a ruckman tragic but this lad is a player and I can't wait to see just how good this lad is in 5 years time.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
We have a few options we can use in the attack and while many here are against Biglands being played in the FP, the idea itself has a lot of merit. It will certainly be interesting who gets selected for the game against Port next week let alone the 22 for round 1 against West Coast.

Based on what I have seen last night there are a lot of players pushing for a game next week and thats not even considering that the likes of Edwards, Bode and maybe Begley who are likely to play.

I think we will all agree that these type of selection ideas are the ones we would love to have all the time.


Here's my 24. I'll cheat and assume Begley, Bode and Edwards will not play due to inury.


M Stevens Welsh Schuie


Johncock/McLeod Perrie Hentsc


Mattner Roo Burton ( until the first turn over then replace with The Count or Jericho)


Reilly/Goody Kenny Thorney


Bassett Rutts Bock


Hudson McLeod/Johncock Goody/reilly


I/C Meeson, Biglands, The Count, Hinge, Watts, Doughty.


Emer: Gibson, Shirley, Ladhams, Skippy.

I'm not real happy with Bock in a BP but I would assume Port will play 3 tall forwards. I think Bock is better suited to the forward line but we will require a 3rd tall down back. I was thinking of moving Hent to a HB, Thorney to a BP but I think we must pesist with Trent as a forward.
 
If Burton is going to line up on the wing Springy where does Jericho play? You mentioned he might change with Birdman but other than that he is not mentioned in the side. ;)

Can someone please give me details of when the match is? Did I hear/read right that the game is not to be aired on FTA tv?
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
If Burton is going to line up on the wing Springy where does Jericho play? You mentioned he might change with Birdman but other than that he is not mentioned in the side. ;)

Can someone please give me details of when the match is? Did I hear/read right that the game is not to be aired on FTA tv?

Bugger....I was hoping you wouldn't have noticed that. I ran out of room. I would have liked to have given Gibson and Ladhams a run too.
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
If Burton is going to line up on the wing Springy where does Jericho play? You mentioned he might change with Birdman but other than that he is not mentioned in the side. ;)

Can someone please give me details of when the match is? Did I hear/read right that the game is not to be aired on FTA tv?
Sunday 20th Feb and I think its at 7pm and no it won't be on FTA TV. Foxtel will show it though.
 

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FF: Stevens Welsh Jericho

HF: Johncock Perrie Hentschel

C: Mattner Ricciuto Burton

HB: Torney McGregor Reilly

FB: Bassett Rutten Bock

R: Hudson Mcleod Goodwin

ITC: Biglands Ladhams Van Berlo Schuback Watts Doughty

Fairly similar side to you Springy but I have dropped Meesen and Hinge as I dont think they will be in the plans for round 1.

I would have Reilly changing with Goodwin on the HBF and Johncock changing with Mcleod on a HFF.

If Roo wants a rest I would throw Mattner into the centre, Jericho to the wing and Roo up to a pocket.

Be kind :o :D
 
Here is my side against Port and I won't take the easy way out ;)

_F: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 37. Trent Hentschel
_C: _ 39. Martin Mattner _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 24. Brett Burton
HB: _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 11. Michael Doughty
_B: _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 25. Ben Rutten _ 15. Jason Torney
1R: _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 33. Brent Reilly _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 2. John Meesen _ 7. Nathan Van Berlo _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 14. Hayden Skipworth _ 19. Mark Stevens _ 44. Nathan Bock

EMG: _ 6. Fergus Watts _ 12. Robert Shirley _ 30. Luke Jericho

I am pretty sure Shirley will be in the 22 but I have him as an emergency. If Matthew Clarke is fit to play I would bring him in at the expense of Meesen as there is no ruch in playing the big Mees. I would have had Ladhams in there but Craig already said he won't play him in the wizard cup so that rules him out. Hinge is still raw and needs to have a good year with the Tigers.

I am sure I missed out someone but I am sure you will let me know about it:p
 
FF: Stevens Welsh Edwards

HF: Johncock Perrie Hentschel

C: Reilly Ricciuto Jericho

HB: Van Berlo McGregor Mattner

FB: Bassett Rutten Torney

R: Hudson Mcleod Goodwin

ITC: Biglands Burton Ladhams Watts Meesen Bock

I think that's about right players like Ladhams and Schuback should be given a run to see if they will make it, no need to be playing Gibson, Hinge etc just for the sake of it.
 
I know Ladhams wont play but this is how i would pick the side.

FF: Biglands - Welsh - Ladhams

HF: Goodwin - Perrie - Bock

C: Mattner - Roo - Burton

HB: Hentshel - Kenny - Johncock

FB: Bassett - Rutten - Torney

R: Hudson - Reilly - Mcleod

ITC: M.Stevens - Skippy - Doughty - Jericho - Watts - Schuback

Emer: Van Berlo - Meeson - Shirley
 
Ok, here goes:

B: Bassett - Rutten - Torney
HB: Doughty - McGregor - Goodwin
C: Mattner - Riccuito - Burton
HF: Johncock - Perrie - Hentschel
F: Edwards - Welsh - Biglands
R: Hudson - Reilly - McLeod
Int: Clarke/Meesen/Andrews, Van Berlo, Skipworth, Bock, Bode, M. Stevens

Jericho, Watts and Schuback would be unlucky to miss out.

That backline actually looks pretty good. Definitely our strength (along with the midfield) and is quite young with the likes of McGregor and Rutten. :)

The forward lines an issue, but it has some pace (Johncock, Edwards, Welsh) and the likes of Perrie and Biglands to present a physical presence.

I hope to see Meesen play but given his lack of muscle and experience Clarke or Andrews may get the job.
 

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Stiffy_18 said:
Here is my side against Port and I won't take the easy way out ;)

_F: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 37. Trent Hentschel
_C: _ 39. Martin Mattner _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 24. Brett Burton
HB: _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 11. Michael Doughty
_B: _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 25. Ben Rutten _ 15. Jason Torney
1R: _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 33. Brent Reilly _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 2. John Meesen _ 7. Nathan Van Berlo _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 14. Hayden Skipworth _ 19. Mark Stevens _ 44. Nathan Bock

EMG: _ 6. Fergus Watts _ 12. Robert Shirley _ 30. Luke Jericho

I am pretty sure Shirley will be in the 22 but I have him as an emergency. If Matthew Clarke is fit to play I would bring him in at the expense of Meesen as there is no ruch in playing the big Mees. I would have had Ladhams in there but Craig already said he won't play him in the wizard cup so that rules him out. Hinge is still raw and needs to have a good year with the Tigers.

I am sure I missed out someone but I am sure you will let me know about it:p

A very good crack at it Stiffy IMO, and likely to be very close to the mark.

Apparently it's planned for Clarke to play a half of footy, so he will probably take Meesen's spot.

I would have played Ladhams but as you've said Craig won't play him.

I'm also assuming that Begley's hammy twinge will keep him out.

The only other ones that could be considered are Shirley, Massie and Scott Stevens. Of these the only genuine chance appears to be Shirley and I think he will get in before Bode at this stage.

So my only 2 changes in personnel would be Clarke and Shirley in for Meesen and Bode.

As for your starting 18, the only likely difference there is for Goody who's changing with Reilly as they did on Friday to probably start on-ball first.

It's a good line-up.
 
macca23 said:
A very good crack at it Stiffy IMO, and likely to be very close to the mark.

Apparently it's planned for Clarke to play a half of footy, so he will probably take Meesen's spot.

I would have played Ladhams but as you've said Craig won't play him.

I'm also assuming that Begley's hammy twinge will keep him out.

The only other ones that could be considered are Shirley, Massie and Scott Stevens. Of these the only genuine chance appears to be Shirley and I think he will get in before Bode at this stage.

So my only 2 changes in personnel would be Clarke and Shirley in for Meesen and Bode.

As for your starting 18, the only likely difference there is for Goody who's changing with Reilly as they did on Friday to probably start on-ball first.

It's a good line-up.
You are probably right and I am almost certain that Shirley will be in the 24 even though I don't have him there. Goody would possibly start on-ball but I really want to give Reilly the first crack at it especially in the pre-season comp. We can always throw the experienced heads in there if needed but I would prefer us to give the likes of Reilly and Johncock more time on-ball.

I am not sure if Bodey would even come up but if he does I would be surprised if he wasn't in the first 24.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Here is my side against Port and I won't take the easy way out ;)

_F: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 37. Trent Hentschel
_C: _ 39. Martin Mattner _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 24. Brett Burton
HB: _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 11. Michael Doughty
_B: _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 25. Ben Rutten _ 15. Jason Torney
1R: _ 13. Ben Hudson _ 33. Brent Reilly _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 2. John Meesen _ 7. Nathan Van Berlo _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 14. Hayden Skipworth _ 19. Mark Stevens _ 44. Nathan Bock

EMG: _ 6. Fergus Watts _ 12. Robert Shirley _ 30. Luke Jericho
Reckon you have the side about right Stiffy. I would prefer M Stevens to start rather than Biglands, but Craig probably has other ideas. Would also play Jericho rather than Bock at the stage.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Reckon you have the side about right Stiffy. I would prefer M Stevens to start rather than Biglands, but Craig probably has other ideas. Would also play Jericho rather than Bock at the stage.
But going by the Norwood games Bocky has more claim to the spot that Jericho. Bock was selected to the main game straight away. Jericho was a last minute inclusion for the main game because Bode DNP. Jericho was even listed for the main game on the slips that they gave out when you entered the ground.

Bocky also played pretty well so I assume he will picked before Jezza.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
But going by the Norwood games Bocky has more claim to the spot that Jericho. Bock was selected to the main game straight away. Jericho was a last minute inclusion for the main game because Bode DNP. Jericho was even listed for the main game on the slips that they gave out when you entered the ground.

Bocky also played pretty well so I assume he will picked before Jezza.
I thought Jericho was more impressive in the B game than Bock was in the A game (even accounting for better opposition).
 

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