Selection Process

["The Roar Is Back"]

Like most I am bewildered about the non inclusion of Thursty and Polo in this weeks side, but for a number of reasons.
Last year our glowing light was our defence which featured Thursty, Sarge, McGaunne, Moore, Newman and McMahon for the greater part of the season.
The backline was structured around Thursty taking the oppositions best key forward and allowed Moore some freedom and McGaunne took the more athletic CHF types.
McMahons skill level was a concern and so was small opposition forwards.
As it has happened during the pre-season Raines' form was very good and permitted him first crack at the small backman role, Edwards , Polo and Rances form down back had proven to be very good, whilst McMahons was very poor.
So why in the first round do we firstly select McGuanne on Fev instead of Thursty, loosing some run that McGuanne gives and forcing Thursty onto players he isn't accustomed to, and why was McMahon picked when his form was no where near that of the players who were in line for his position, Polo/Rance ?
Also why do we in round two ommitt our best stopping defender, and include two guys Hislop and King who have shown very little during the preseason, but certainly shown the inability to use the football, which has been a problem at the club for such a long time, yet disregard a bloke who was one of our best defensive players during the pre-season .
McMahon had to get dropped given such poor pre-season form.
Given we have been carved up often by smaller type wingman, Sarges form up forward, it just seems so obvious to fix the problems which existed within the side, especially with the developement and form of Rance, Polo and Raines during the pre-season
Why would our backline for round 1 not have looked like :

Raines Thursty Moore
Polo McGaunne Rance
Newman ( on wing )

and for round two :

Edwards Thursty Moore
Polo McGaunne Rance
Newman ( on wing )

Simply picked on form, whilst structually we still have our 3 key defenders from last year Thursty, Moore and McGaunne still playing their same role inwhich they excelled last season, whilst we also have gained a defensive type wingman and freed Sarge to play forward

 

[Roachy8]

It is bewildering...

We do seem intent on shuffling the players through various positions which is good for flexibility and players developing versatility but IMO they have not been allowed to settle in many cases.
Thursty is a "traditional" full back. He may never pick up major re-bounding numbers but if he can lock down the opposition main target forward, more often than not it creates headaches for the other team... they have to go through their second or third options.
(I don't have a problem with a full-back being primarily a stopper... full-forwards are primarily goal kickers)

Re. Polo... like all of us it is astounding how he does not get what seems to be a fair look in!

Perhaps he will come in late anyway for someone (the old fashioned - always intend on playing him but don't name him to "confuse" the other team - stratagy. A load of crap by the way...)

IMO our midfield rotations are down one player this week to last week with Cousins out and Hislop in!

Anyway, if Terry continues to not prefer Polo and holds his position as coach into next year then I really would like Polo to seek a transfer at the end of this year.

I would prefer he carve a decent career for himself elsewhere rather than battle on in our list somewhere between 24th to 30th preferred player...

Edit... I just spotted THE BRICKSTERS "I told you so thread" so maybe the ploy is to bring Polo in for an injured Bling... maybe...

 

[James_Best]

i agree it is bewildering. however, i dont think thursfield is match fit yet and with longeran out theres really no go matchup for him anyway.

its the king ahead of polo i find baffling.

 

[CoggaRules]

i agree it is bewildering. however, i dont think thursfield is match fit yet and with longeran out theres really no go matchup for him anyway.

its the king ahead of polo i find baffling.

i can guarantee ya, that King has the Ablett assignment. So fasten your seat belts. Its gunna get ugly.

 

[one eyedtiger]

Thursty should have played. Played on guys like Judd and I think at one stage he had Garlett. He was not that bad against Carlton and should not have been dropped. Polo really should play, he has a good pre-season and from all reports was close to BOG last week at Coburg. Although apperently he's gonna come in as a late change

 

[NQTIGER]

i can guarantee ya, that King has the Ablett assignment. So fasten your seat belts. Its gunna get ugly.

King?????? he might be better than McMahon

 

[richoatthedisco]

The backline was structured around Thursty taking the oppositions best key forward and allowed Moore some freedom and McGaunne took the more athletic CHF types.

You mustn't have been watching us last year. Moore took the best key forward and McGuane the next, with Thursty often playing on smaller types like Mark Williams.

Simply picked on form, whilst structually we still have our 3 key defenders from last year Thursty, Moore and McGaunne still playing their same role inwhich they excelled last season, whilst we also have gained a defensive type wingman and freed Sarge to play forward

We are a better team, and Sarge is a better player, when he plays in defence. At least he finds targets coming out of defence. We've just got to hope that Hughes pulls his finger out.

 

[krustyman]

*** Breaking News *****

Wallace has NFI!!!!

Use by date expired 6 years ago!!!

 

[Rayzorwire]

The backline was structured around Thursty taking the oppositions best key forward...

[sigh] No it wasn't, Thursfield had a lot of roles as third tall and almost none as no.1 defender.

You really can't constantly criticise the coaching staff if you don't/can't pay attention to what's actually happening.

why was McMahon picked when his form was no where near that of the players who were in line for his position, Polo/Rance ?

Because at his best he's a far better rebounder. NAB cup form means very little when it comes to nursing senior players who've had interrupted pre-seasons back into the side.

Also why do we in round two ommitt our best stopping defender...

Because he played like crap and Geelong don't have an attack which suits Thursfield. Rance, Moore and McGuane suit far better.

Hislop and King who have shown very little during the preseason, but certainly shown the inability to use the football...

You're still claiming blokes like Raines and Edwards can use the football, oblivious to the fact Champion Data rates King WAY above both of them them for ball use, even despite the last handful of games he played injured.

Simply picked on form...

Simply picked on form, many of the best players in the league wouldn't have played round one.

98% of people who watch football know NAB cup form counts for very little and that's been demonstrated countless times. How come you haven't worked that out?

 

[ScallyWag1]

i can guarantee ya, that King has the Ablett assignment. So fasten your seat belts. Its gunna get ugly.

i guarantee ya that is completely wrong. jackson's still in the side isn't he?

 

[krustyman]

i guarantee ya that is completely wrong. jackson's still in the side isn't he?

guarantee that whoever is on ablett will get towelled.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

[sigh] No it wasn't, Thursfield had a lot of roles as third tall and almost none as no.1 defender.

You really can't constantly criticise the coaching staff if you don't/can't pay attention to what's actually happening.



Because at his best he's a far better rebounder. NAB cup form means very little when it comes to nursing senior players who've had interrupted pre-seasons back into the side.



Because he played like crap and Geelong don't have an attack which suits Thursfield. Rance, Moore and McGuane suit far better.



You're still claiming blokes like Raines and Edwards can use the football, oblivious to the fact Champion Data rates King WAY above both of them them for ball use, even despite the last handful of games he played injured.




Simply picked on form, many of the best players in the league wouldn't have played round one.

98% of people who watch football know NAB cup form counts for very little and that's been demonstrated countless times. How come you haven't worked that out?

Razor who played on Fev last season, Thursty , you stat that McMahon is a far better rounder than Polo, or at least thats what I aaaume your getting at and that McMahon has had an injury over pre-season, is this the same injury he had last season ?
Where did I claim Edwards and Raines could use the footy, hwoever I do beleive that they are better users of the footy than King, i don't give at rats clacker about data points or any of that crap, its called having some knowledge of the game , does champion data take into consideration where the ball has been kicked to or what position upon the ground they have recieved the footy or disposed of it to ?
Start naming the many best players in the league who went into round one with worse form than McMahon ?
NAB form may mean very little as far as results, but team plans and form of individuals can be recognised within the pre-season comp. if you have any idea.
Incidentally aren't you the same poster who tried to defend the coaching staff, when I posted it was a disgrace that McMahon got picked round 1 and didn't you also try to defend the coaching panel when I stated in another post that we have one of if not the worst team plan in the comp.

 

[sonvolt17]

I am sure Wallet and the selection committee know something we don't know, surely?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Razor who played on Fev last season, Thursty

I can't remember who took him in round one but Moore played on Fev the seond time round, just like he twice took Buddy (and McGuane took Roughy) and pretty much every other FF. If Thursty played on Fev in round one it would be just about the last time he played on the number one forward.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I can't remember who took him in round one but Moore played on Fev the seond time round, just like he twice took Buddy (and McGuane took Roughy) and pretty much every other FF. If Thursty played on Fev in round one it would be just about the last time he played on the number one forward.

Thursty did play on Fev round 1, the point I was making is I don't think he is suited to playing on changing midifielders like Judd, Betts who he was asked to play against last week, to me he seems more the Presti type player who does a shut down type job more so than the offensive .

 

[Rayzorwire]

Razor who played on Fev last season, Thursty...

You do know that "almost none" (what I said) is different to none right?

And that the first game of the year is only 4.5% of a season, so claiming the backline was built around Thursfield taking the no.1 KPF is just beyond ridiculous?

Like a lot of things you criticise, you just don't have your facts right - not even close. The best you can do is pretend you didn't get nailed.

does champion data take into consideration where the ball has been kicked to or what position upon the ground they have recieved the footy or disposed of it to ?

Yes, it does.

That and many other things make it a very good way of arguing against people with highly subjective, outright dysfunctional goldfish memories.

The numbers are there in black and white, they are not subject to outright fantasy and incorrect drivel masquerading as decent analysis.

Start naming the many best players in the league who went into round one with worse form than McMahon ?

Form is subjective, but many senior players go into round one with none or very little NAB cup form. Their fitness is the only concern, not pointless NAB cup form against rookies, kids, and senior players still coming to hand.

Do you want to mount an argument that St. Kilda shouldn't have played Reiwoldt rd.1 because he had no worthwhile NAB cup form? They should have played McEvoy instead?

Incidentally aren't you the same poster who tried to defend the coaching staff, when I posted it was a disgrace that McMahon got picked round 1...

Yes I was, because NAB cup form doesn't mean anything. If a senior player's fit to play and the best option for the role you want fulfilled - based on their past form and what other potential replacements are currently capable of - you play them.

At his best, McMahon is very obviously our top designated rebounder. That doesn't mean he doesn't have pitiful games, that he plays at his best often enough, and nor does it mean he didn't deserve to be dropped this week.

and didn't you also try to defend the coaching panel when I stated in another post that we have one of if not the worst team plan in the comp.

A simpleton and a smartarse, what an awesome combination.

If results are the sole measure of whether or not a gameplan is good or bad, how does it follow that we finished just outside finals last year, yet have the worst gameplan in the league?

Thursty did play on Fev round 1, the point I was making is I don't think he is suited to playing on changing midifielders...

The point you were making was that "[T]he backline was structured around Thursty taking the oppositions best key forward..." and he should still be doing that.

Therefore, once again, your insatiable urge to be a critic fell flat on its face before you even got out of the starting blocks.

Again.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

You do know that "almost none" (what I said) is different to none right?

And that the first game of the year is only 4.5% of a season, so claiming the backline was built around Thursfield taking the no.1 KPF is just beyond ridiculous?

Like a lot of things you criticise, you just don't have your facts right - not even close. The best you can do is pretend you didn't get nailed.



Yes, it does.

That and many other things make it a very good way of arguing against people with highly subjective, outright dysfunctional goldfish memories.

The numbers are there in black and white, they are not subject to outright fantasy and incorrect drivel masquerading as decent analysis.



Form is subjective, but many senior players go into round one with none or very little NAB cup form. Their fitness is the only concern, not pointless NAB cup form against rookies, kids, and senior players still coming to hand.

Do you want to mount an argument that St. Kilda shouldn't have played Reiwoldt rd.1 because he had no worthwhile NAB cup form? They should have played McEvoy instead?



Yes I was, because NAB cup form doesn't mean anything. If a senior player's fit to play and the best option for the role you want fulfilled - based on their past form and what other potential replacements are currently capable of - you play them.

At his best, McMahon is very obviously our top designated rebounder. That doesn't mean he doesn't have pitiful games, that he plays at his best often enough, and nor does it mean he didn't deserve to be dropped this week.



A simpleton and a smartarse, what an awesome combination.

If results are the sole measure of whether or not a gameplan is good or bad, how does it follow that we finished just outside finals last year, yet have the worst gameplan in the league?



The point you were making was that "[T]he backline was structured around Thursty taking the oppositions best key forward..." and he should still be doing that.

Therefore, once again, your insatiable urge to be a critic fell flat on its face before you even got out of the starting blocks.

Again.

Keep on dreaming Razor, you have no idea champion data stats in hand or not, our game plan sucks, McMahon is a dud who lacks the ability to compete and Thursty should be playing round 2 , I guess the Thursty issue is the only one one which is yet to be proven or do you still think our game plan is OK and JM should have played round 1 ?
Because people use and post their hindsight I don't think it makes them a smartar$e when it eventuates, nor does it constitute falling on their face, I'd say it signifies somebody who has the aggotts to speak their mind.
Go back through your past little rants about people who you have been critical of and you might actually realise that some people upon here have a very good understanding and knowledge of the game, whether you think it or not.

 

[Matty Knights]

i can guarantee ya, that King has the Ablett assignment. So fasten your seat belts. Its gunna get ugly.

I was hoping to see King used as a tagger today.

Having said that he may get get torn a new one.

 

[_RT_]

Perhaps the following article will provide a bit of an insight into the selection process used for this weekends side: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25286551-19742,00.html

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has revealed he threw out a challenge to reinforcements the morning after the disaster against Carlton. Wallace stressed the effort of some in the 83-point loss was unacceptable and urged fringe players to take their spots.

"We had done our review on the Friday morning and said to the whole group, 'If you want to compete, we'll have a look at you'," Wallace said.

Wallace and his coaching staff watched the Coburg Tigers' VFL practice match at Visy Park last Saturday to find out who wanted to take up the invitation.

"There were some guys who put their hands up accordingly," Wallace said.

Jake King, Tom Hislop and Alex Rance - all renowned for their hard edge - did enough to impress and will play against Geelong at Skilled Stadium today.

"What our supporters do expect is they expect blokes to have a red-hot dip. Get out and represent the colours the way that they should be. Clearly, our supporters want to see a competitive group," Wallace said.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Perhaps the following article will provide a bit of an insight into the selection process used for this weekends side: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25286551-19742,00.html

Yea interesting read RT, in short I guess what it says it that the coaching staff thought McMahon, Thursty and Browne didn't have a go last week and King, Hislop, Rance were the 3 borderline players who had a go at VFL level.
Not sure where that leaves Polo, going by all reports he was very good at VFL level last week and I'd have thought he was a border line player.

 

[_RT_]

Yea interesting read RT, in short I guess what it says it that the coaching staff thought McMahon, Thursty and Browne didn't have a go last week and King, Hislop, Rance were the 3 borderline players who had a go at VFL level.
Not sure where that leaves Polo, going by all reports he was very good at VFL level last week and I'd have thought he was a border line player.

Word is Polo will be coming in as a late change this afternoon. Believe Tambling is the one who might pull out.

 

[ScallyWag1]

I was hoping to see King used as a tagger today.

Having said that he may get get torn a new one.

glad kingy's playing, he's a tough little nut

 

[Rayzorwire]

...our game plan sucks...

Our ability to implement it "sucks." Show me the gameplan that works when you give the opposition 16 goals from turnovers.

Totally ignoring questions like: "If results are the sole measure of whether or not a gameplan is good or bad, how does it follow that we finished just outside finals last year, yet have the worst gameplan in the league?" just highlights (yet again) that you have zero debating ability (and no manners), just an astonishing and embarrassing capacity to pretend your pants aren't around your ankles.

AKA trolling.

If you came clean even occasionally and admitted you make consistently horrible factual errors, I might be a lot less harsh on you and there might even actually be a worthwhile debate come out of it.

...do you still think our game plan is OK and JM should have played round 1 ?

Our gameplan (which you don't even begin to understand and even apparently think is a singular 'plan' - see if we play the same 'plan' today genius) is fine, and I could only answer whether McMahon should have played rd.1 if I was in possession of the intimate details of his pre-season injuries, current fitness, and that of the players who may have replaced them.

I will say again, McMahon at his best is our best rebounder. The day somebody else is capable of carrying the ball 80-100m quickly twenty times a game, I will change my mind on that and be infinitely relieved to do so.

Go back through your past little rants about people who you have been critical of and you might actually realise that some people upon here have a very good understanding and knowledge of the game, whether you think it or not.

Yes, you have awesome knowledge of the game. The fact that you totally stuffed up how our backline was structured for 95% of last year was just one of an endless number of aberrations.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Tell me all about the gameplan today Backwards and Baking.

Unlucky and just a couple of hardened senior players short of beating the best side in the league at their home ground.

I await your unique, illiterate version of insight.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Tell me all about the gameplan today Backwards and Baking.

Unlucky and just a couple of hardened senior players short of beating the best side in the league at their home ground.

I await your unique, illiterate version of insight.

Yea really missed the hardened McMahon and the stop start defensive game plan.
From watching the fox broadcast appears I might not be the only one who thinks we stink when we play stop start footy.
As for the unlucky, people who suceed don't use excuses.