Coach Senior Coach: John Worsfold

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I highly doubt there’s a succession plan in place.

People forget the reason for a succession plan... somebody is leaving!

Do we have any indication whatsoever that Worsfold is leaving after 2020 of his own accord? That he thinks his time is up and doesn’t want to coach any more?

I don’t think so.

What, so you go to one of the most senior people in the club and say “your time is up, we’re bringing this bloke through to replace you, so you’ll mentor him then you’re gone...”

I don’t think he’d agree to that. If that were the case I reckon he’d have walked and been chasing one of the vacant jobs this year. I mean if he’s gone in 12 months anyway.
Seems plausible to me that he knows he wont be chasing another extension. Its common knowledge that Rutten has senior coaching aspirations. If, as you say, Woosh wants to keep coaching beyond 2020 as a senior coach then you're right, he probably would've walked and applied for another vacancy, especially freo. That to me says he's happy to finish with us after 2020, because there has been no talk from him or the club about an extension beyond that. Coaches dont have to be sacked to move on.
 

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I was being sarcastic.

It is a fantasy that Rutten and Caracella are now the coaches.

If that was the case why not just announce a succession plan? There is literally nothing to lose.

Posters are rationalizing a horrendous decision based on hope. The hope that surely the club will not persist with this rubbish.

I mean, I thought we had a good list.

We can only take Worsfold at face value when he talks about building for a premiership and being in charge for 18 months.

I would have thought the results clearly speak for themselves.

There is no premiership brand which is why the only shot we fired against a good side was when Daniher's brilliance basically held us together on ANZAC day. There has been virtually no attempt to use the list to build that brand (with the only attempt, Clarke being dumped when it counted).

All of the decisions which are made indicate satisfaction with the game style.

The team is stacked with plodders and uncompettitive players.

The comments about Campbell's future being tied to Worsfold are almost certainly spot on.

I still need someone to explain the point of a head coach who needs assistants to coach the side for him.

Posters should always apply the level of scepticism that was being applied in response to the Supplements Saga. It's otherwise just being turned on and off as is expedient or least challenging.
There isnt necessarily anything to gain from announcing a succession plan. Didn't work at the pies. Did it work at Melbourne? Hard to say. Roos to Longmire was a really smooth transition. Was that announced?
 

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There isnt necessarily anything to gain from announcing a succession plan. Didn't work at the pies. Did it work at Melbourne? Hard to say. Roos to Longmire was a really smooth transition. Was that announced?

I dont know about that.

The Buckley Malthouse thing is unlike anything we are likely to see any time soon.

Melbourne and Sydney successions were smooth and well done.

There is no point creating cause for speculation.
 

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Seems plausible to me that he knows he wont be chasing another extension. Its common knowledge that Rutten has senior coaching aspirations. If, as you say, Woosh wants to keep coaching beyond 2020 as a senior coach then you're right, he probably would've walked and applied for another vacancy, especially freo. That to me says he's happy to finish with us after 2020, because there has been no talk from him or the club about an extension beyond that. Coaches dont have to be sacked to move on.
It might be plausible, but what evidence do we have that he doesn’t want the job longer term? I’d say the longer the tenure the better for any coach as they see these things as long term projects.

Roos was a little different as basically as soon as they won 2005 flag he started saying he wasn’t a career coach and would be moving on at some point. He achieved what he wanted to at Sydney.

Particularly with so many jobs having been made available, I highly doubt it’s something Worsfold would sign on to. I reckon he’d walk... happy to sacrifice one year to hopefully be able to get a job elsewhere.

Not to mention it’s stupidity of the part of the club unless it’s an actual retirement and the coach doesn’t want to go on. You can’t tell the future. What if we have a ripping year next year and everything is looking awesome for 2021? We move on the coach and completely destroy our chances right in the middle of a premiership window, like Collingwood did in 2011?
 

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I dont know about that.

The Buckley Malthouse thing is unlike anything we are likely to see any time soon.

Melbourne and Sydney successions were smooth and well done.

There is no point creating cause for speculation.
Malthouse was never on board with the “succession plan”, he was simply made a financial offer he couldn’t refuse. Eddie bought his signature. He got given a five year contract on huge money, the final three years of which were to be this undefined “Director” role. No coach would turn that down with their lack of job security and if we offered Worsfold that now he’d sign in a heartbeat.

We know Malthouse was never committed to it and when the time came and he knew he’d be able to get another job, he just walked.
 

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Malthouse was never on board with the “succession plan”, he was simply made a financial offer he couldn’t refuse. Eddie bought his signature. He got given a five year contract on huge money, the final three years of which were to be this undefined “Director” role. No coach would turn that down with their lack of job security and if we offered Worsfold that now he’d sign in a heartbeat.

We know Malthouse was never committed to it and when the time came and he knew he’d be able to get another job, he just walked.
The problem with the Collingwood plan was it was not what Mick signed up for. Bucks did not want Mick involved in talking to the players and staff and wanted him at arms length which was not the original deal.
 

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I dont know about that.

The Buckley Malthouse thing is unlike anything we are likely to see any time soon.

Melbourne and Sydney successions were smooth and well done.

There is no point creating cause for speculation.
You're right, theres no point speculating. At the present Woosh is contracted for 2020 and will see that contract out. Whether he chases an extension or is happy to hand over to Rutten is just a guess. Malthouse to Buckley was a mess. Id hope we a more a roos to Longmire style of change.
 

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We will not have a succession plan as such. The thing is Worsfold will want to go back to Perth sooner rather than later and the club feels Rutten is close to being ready to coach. Worsfold will coach and to the media but he will allow Rutten to continue running the team defence and Caracella to run team offence with the line coaches doing what they do.
 

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It might be plausible, but what evidence do we have that he doesn’t want the job longer term? I’d say the longer the tenure the better for any coach as they see these things as long term projects.

Roos was a little different as basically as soon as they won 2005 flag he started saying he wasn’t a career coach and would be moving on at some point. He achieved what he wanted to at Sydney.

Particularly with so many jobs having been made available, I highly doubt it’s something Worsfold would sign on to. I reckon he’d walk... happy to sacrifice one year to hopefully be able to get a job elsewhere.

Not to mention it’s stupidity of the part of the club unless it’s an actual retirement and the coach doesn’t want to go on. You can’t tell the future. What if we have a ripping year next year and everything is looking awesome for 2021? We move on the coach and completely destroy our chances right in the middle of a premiership window, like Collingwood did in 2011?
Exactly right, and if you announced an official succession plan, you end up with the collingwood situation. As it stands if we did happen to think Woosh was close to a flag after next year we still have the option of keeping him if we and he wants it.
 

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The problem with the Collingwood plan was it was not what Mick signed up for. Bucks did not want Mick involved in talking to the players and staff and wanted him at arms length which was not the original deal.
That’s Mick’s excuse for walking out. Fast is he signed on for a deal he couldn’t refuse at the time when it looked like his career was coming to an end (5 years security at big money), then walked out halfway through it when they had success and that meant he’d be able to get a coaching gig elsewhere.

Don’t get me wrong, it was a cockup from all parties and I think probably cost Collingwood at least one flag (happily), but Mick changed his mind.
 

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There isnt necessarily anything to gain from announcing a succession plan. Didn't work at the pies. Did it work at Melbourne? Hard to say. Roos to Longmire was a really smooth transition. Was that announced?
Pies didn't work because Malthouse wanted to be hands on and bucks changed his mind on it
Melbourne were down the bottom of ladder and if provided hope, Roos also left
Roos to Longmire they were a near finals side to become a great finals side that wasn't facing Melbourne media scrutiny.

As I said if we start the pre season like last 2 years the knives will be out and our club will bend at the knees.

If they're not prepared to announce then great there backing themselves to step up to challenge.
 

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3 coaches were sacked of the bottom 10. Clarko has a 5-year leave pass, Goodwin took Melbourne to a prelim last year, Longmire is rebuilding Sydney, plenty of pressure on Hinkley. More pressure will come on Dew next year.

Woosha is not being singled out.
My mistake, 5 coaches of the bottom 10 have been sacked.
 

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Would be a big loss given the improvement in our defence. I won’t talk about his head coaching credentials as I wouldn’t have a clue, I can only go by what I hear and we could lose on that front too.

Best of luck to him if he decides that’s what he wants. We may soon know if he’s been promised the Essendon job in 12 months I suppose.
 

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I laugh because people think Worsfold will coach beyond next year. He would have gone this year, but our intelligentsia, known as the board, saw fit to extend his contract for winning one game. Would he be coach if they didn't make such an idiotic mistake?

No and that's the point.

He's coaching because he has a contract not because he's doing a good job.
 

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