Shibboleths

[beartoo]

Wondering how many are changing opinions on beliefs held for some time. Trolls need not reply.
1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked (I'm guilty and have changed my mind).
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22.
5 Butts is useless.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good.
7 Sholl is no good.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible.
Feel free to add any more you think of.

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd certainly given up on Jones

Didn't think Sloane would return as he has. Thought he'd really struggle.

Murphy is playing better football than I thought he was capable

 

[jo172]

Genuinely never seen 5, only seen one person mad enough to say 2

 

[Golumless]

I dabbled with 2, but decided to not get hit that train before Fog broke out. I just got there with 3, seeing I didn't care for the Jones selection and 6. I'm still shocked about that revival. I wasn't on 5, but I did expect Murray to overtake Butts.

I was on the Nicks train before it was cool, and I didn't care for the arguments on how our recruiting/list management sucked as they couldn't overcome the maelstrom of a shitty administration and hollowed out, cheap and toxic football club. That came off as both reactionary and overrating the impact recruiting/list management has.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Wondering how many are changing opinions on beliefs held for some time. Trolls need not reply.
1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked (I'm guilty and have changed my mind).
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22.
5 Butts is useless.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good.
7 Sholl is no good.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible.
Feel free to add any more you think of.

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2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8 I never thought

1 - I had a 2 week period earlier this year where I wavered
9 - I was starting to reach that point, but they've done enough lately that I'm undecided
5 - I still agree on (Such a shame. Amazing 2020; since then? Not so much)

 

[whattagun07]

Wondering how many are changing opinions on beliefs held for some time. Trolls need not reply.
1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked I'm on board. I was never calling for his head, but was quite apathetic about Nicks
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted. I had my concerns, and thought he may get traded, but I never wanted him delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted. I was probably 30-70 on Jones. 30 (Keep), 70 (trade / won't make it)
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22. Yep guilty. He's having a decent year. My concerns will extend into next year though, regardless.
5 Butts is useless. Nope, always loved Buttsy. Was worried he had been carrying niggles, and maybe just needed to ride through his dip in form.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good. Guilty. Very happy with his season, and can see him being a role player next year too.
7 Sholl is no good. Jury still out. Gap between his best and worst is still too big. Think he's a good 20-26th player to have though.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman. Guilty, and still yet to be convinced. Needs to do more around the grounds. Has had a few good games this year, but he's an imperfect beast.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible. I haven't been too 'doomsday' on our list / recruiting. Still concerned about our KP depth, 1 quality mid short, and the ruck situation.

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Milera is slowly but surely finding his groove. I was ready to give up on him.

Also been happy with Murphy this year. He hasn't been my favourite over the last couple of years.

 

[WeeBlake]

1 - still not convinced he’s great but certainly don’t want him sacked
2 - never thought Fog was that bad
3 - I was one of his few defenders but even I was wavering in the off-season
4 - guilty
5 - ppl thought Butts was hopeless?
6 - guilty
7 - never had a strong opinion either way on Sholl
8 - I still think he’s an average ruck (but sometimes a very good mark around the ground)
9 - guiltyish. I maintain our recruiting was terrible and they should have been replaced but they have been good the last few years. Brouch debacle aside our list managers have been fine-to-good for years.

Bonus
10. Our coaches won’t play the kids

 

[Cap]

1.My position on Nick's always been if we weren't in finals contention by mid year he should be sacked, I'll maintain that, but I think he'll meet it.
4. I'm still not convinced he's got enough left in the tank time will tell.
8. He's played well recently for sure, still not convinced.
9. I don't think it's an extreme crap or not. Just want them to hit more often in the top picks.

 

[Geoffa32]

Jones is my big one. Wrote him off.

Happy to be wrong.



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[relapse]

Definitely changing my mind with Nicks.

Another one for me was not rating Nick Murray, I've definitely been proven to be wrong there.

 

[Carmo]

I wrote off Jones for a short period there.

What about 11. The club never recruits quality from other clubs? (Going back two years there was plenty of this).
and 12. They won't stand Sloane down from the captaincy.
13. We wont go and get top people to put around the head coach.

 

[Moonwatcher]

1. Didn't think Nicks would get the results he's getting this year.
3. Always felt Jones had the potential to come good but didn't think he would.
6. Sloane's definitely close to retirement but is still adding value to the side.
9. It certainly looked like we weren't capable of identifying talent but the last 3 years of recruiting disprove that.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Wondering how many are changing opinions on beliefs held for some time. Trolls need not reply.
1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked (I'm guilty and have changed my mind).
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22.
5 Butts is useless.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good.
7 Sholl is no good.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible.
Feel free to add any more you think of.

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I put my hand up as someone who had no belief in Nicks. But I have stated that I have come around to a point. Its one thing to have a team of flat track bullies its another to be tested in finals. Nicks still has a lot to prove but I would say he should coach next year and beyond on the current trajectory no problems and I am fine with that.

O'Brien I have been guilty of suggesting we need a replacement. I still think he has his limits against more athletic Ruck types. As good as he is, nothing wrong with seeking improvement.

Actually thought our recruitment and list management has been better than most gave it credit for.

Sholl has taken me by surprise and stepped up. I thought he'd found his ceiling and perhaps was a good depth player but the way he has added another level to his game should be commended.

Now if only I can be wrong about McHenry, Himmelberg and Schoenberg.

 

[FR0GGY]

1 slowly coming around to him being a decent coach.
2 was always on the fog train!
3 absolutely wrote him off
4 yeah thought smith was cooked
5 not useless but he’d had a poor 12 months imo
6 yep couldn’t see him getting back to decent footy.
7 don’t mind sholl
8 not a big fan of ROB
9 Yep mind is changing

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wondering how many are changing opinions on beliefs held for some time. Trolls need not reply.
1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked (I'm guilty and have changed my mind).
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22.
5 Butts is useless.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good.
7 Sholl is no good.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible.
Feel free to add any more you think of.

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1 - Nicks I was on the fence preseason. Still not totally convinced, but tracking better now to deserve another deal.
2 - Fog I never doubted his ability & believed it was a matter of self belief... but was getting worried. Never said delist.
3 - Jones I have always believed he has the talent & make it once like Fog he got the self belief. Glad most are now on board.
4 - Smith I was concerned about his early season form & thought we should have managed him. Still think we need to manage him during the season, but last week was vintage Smithers.
5 - Butts I was concerned we were not resting him from injury. Never doubted his ability. Good to see he appears over his niggles.
6 - Sloane I thought would be a decent contributor but in a different role up forward with occasional run on ball. We have used him more in a wing role, but I have been surprised how good he has been on ball late in games. Better than I expected. Another who needs to be managed.
7 - Sholl I have always liked what he gives us on the outside for team balance... but seems to struggle to play too many consecutive games. Still hold this view we need to manage him.
8 - ROB has been better this year than last year as marking has usually been better. He is an average AFL ruckman though - not amongst the best, but not amongst the worst. Still concerned he doesn't change things up when we have lost momentum in the middle.
9 - List Management - Recent years are looking better now with more hits, but we did have a poor patch which have rightly been criticised. Still of the view that it is more of a case that I think that Haggis has been in the role too long & we could do with a change... not that he has been poor overall.

 

[Rotayjay]

1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked I've changed my mind on this. I'm not totally convinced, but Nicks has certainly earnt more time to show what he has. I love what I've seen after Round 2.
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted. I never understood why people wrote him off - he oozed talent on debut and just needed time.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted. I didn't rate him, happy to be wrong.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22. Didn't have a strong opinion either way.
5 Butts is useless. Didn't have a strong opinion either way.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good. I wrote him off, happy to be wrong.
7 Sholl is no good. Didn't have a strong opinion either way.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman. I'm still not convinced he's the best ruckman to keep going forward.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible. I was pissed at this for a while, but I'm pleased with how Dawson, Rankine etc are turning out.

I think a lot of the above turnarounds in fortunes are due to Saint Burgess.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

1. Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked: he’s earned a reprieve - part of me feels it was Dawson who saved his bacon with the midfield move. Still not totally convinced.
2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted: Nah. Always felt he needed time asa big man. TT is in the same boat. Will worry about him in 2 years of little progression.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted: Have always wanted him to succeed so held out hope longer than most, but I’d started to give up on him.
4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22: has been hot and cold. But no strong feelings about it.
5 Butts is useless: not useless but started the year poorly and should have spent time in the sanfl (or would have it Woza was fit). Starting to come good.
6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good: am as surprised as everyone. Am convinced he’s playing better than the year or two pre knee injury. Perhaps that’s just because I had low expectations.
7 Sholl is no good: I still don’t think he’s the long term solution on a wing.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman: not useless but we could definitely upgrade here too.
9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible: i think we’re all too scarred by McAsey. To have pick 6 back again.

 

[Interloperer]

2 Fog is hopeless and should be delisted.
3 Jones is hopeless and should be desisted.

(A) Both of them were adjacent to terrible for lengthy periods of time. They've improved a lot over their worst now, but they're still both only incrementally better from what they were showing at the end of 2019... which was 4 years ago.

4 Smith is cooked and not worth his place in best 22.
5 Butts is useless.

(B) Both have refound form this year after slightly down years last year. (Butts a bit slower to do so.)

Last year Jordan Dawson was not only playing in defence, but it was apparently necessary to structure the entire defence around his presence and style of play.

This year Dawson plays in midfield more and is one of the best in the competion, while the defensive unit are all playing better with his absence.

6 Sloane won't come back from injury and be any good.
7 Sholl is no good.
8 O'Brien's a useless ruckman.

There were plenty of people that thought Sloane could come back in the niche role he has now.

Sholl's improved his weaknesses this year but his possession isn't the strength it once was. (while playing alright overall)

The main weakness to any ruck unit is the time the 2nd/backup ruck has to takeover. O'Briens main strength was and is his fitness, and thus his ability to limit the time the 2nd ruck is exposed. This is still true and is still valuable even when his form is 'poor'. his best was never as good as claimed, but neither was his worst as bad.

9 Recruiting and List Management is horrible.

It's still not good.

Dawson and Rankine are big gets. Rankine has to come with the huge caveat that Stengle has outperformed him in the same role and Adelaide were so desperate to get rid of him they paid him to leave and subjected the club to two years of James Rowe.

Also, Rachele is the only draft pick absolutely nailed. Others are promising but get treated like 'rookies' when they've been in the system for years.

1 Nicks is a hopeless coach and should be sacked (I'm guilty and have changed my mind).

Nicks is improving. But again, this is his 4th year. Situations like A and B mentioned earlier are 100% his fault. Every other Adelaide coach to last this long at least had some sort of expectation on them at this point, if they weren't already out the door.

At any sane club, the club's current run of good form would be the bare minimum to avoid immediate dismissal after previous years' performances.