Analysis Should Melbourne rebuild like Richmond if they struggle in 2025?

[Pleasedontfail11]

Melbourne look like they are at the crossroad. Have a good year and they could compete again. But with a poor year and many of their stars starting to age. They may want to sell the farm and get what they can to fast tract their rebuild before future drafts get compromised.

They also have some good talent that looks like they want out.
Pickett is reportedly looking to go west. Petracca looked disgruntled about his injuries from last year and Oliver looks like he wants a sea change to get away from the party/pokie life of inner Melbourne.

So should Melbourne rebuild, maybe with a new coach if things go poorly this year? Should they look to trade players like Pickett, Petracca, Oliver and possibly some of their older players like Lever and May? What sort of picks would they get or should they look for if they trade out these players?

 

[00Stinger]

Possibly. But would think this list is in much more greater need of looking to do a full rebuild

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Possibly. But would think this list is in much more greater need of looking to do a full rebuild

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This thread is about Melbourne. Feel free to start a Collingwood thread if you want. I also think that Melbourne have some nice potential trades they could do to make it more interesting.

 

[The 747]

Melbourne look like they are at the crossroad. Have a good year and they could compete again. But with a poor year and many of their stars starting to age. They may want to sell the farm and get what they can to fast tract their rebuild before future drafts get compromised.

They also have some good talent that looks like they want out.
Pickett is reportedly looking to go west. Petracca looked disgruntled about his injuries from last year and Oliver looks like he wants a sea change to get away from the party/pokie life of inner Melbourne.

So should Melbourne rebuild, maybe with a new coach if things go poorly this year? Should they look to trade players like Pickett, Petracca, Oliver and possibly some of their older players like Lever and May? What sort of picks would they get or should they look for if they trade out these players?

So if they have a good year things are good and if they have a bad year things are bad?

 

[Osho]

Possibly. But would think this list is in much more greater need of looking to do a full rebuild

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Ouch!!

 

[Osho]

So if they have a good year things are good and if they have a bad year things are bad?

Funny, isn't it. One becomes what one is, rather than what one isn't. Pudding, proof.

 

[The 747]

Funny, isn't it. One becomes what one is, rather than what one isn't. Pudding, proof.

Or is the process of becoming the thing the thing of itself?

 

[PerfectFooty]

Rebuilds are not an easy sell to members, Melbourne supporters in particular prior to breaking the finals drought where sold the word a lot from three different coaches. I think with Goodwin if he came out and tried to say we're rebuilding it wouldn't be met well, but also i don't think a lot of our supporters would want Goodwin helming a full rebuild. They would probably be cautious but a bit more open to another coach doing it

 

[Rich01]

You’d think it’s last chance saloon for both Melbourne and Collingwood this year if they don’t make finals.

For Melbourne, they would probably offload Pickett, Petracca and Oliver for a raft of draft picks this year and next and change the coach. They might even look to offload troublemaker May for the right price if they decide to go full scorched earth.

For the Pies, Macrae has enough points in the bank for them to miss finals but it would speed up the planned exits of Howe, Elliott, Sidebottom, Mihocek, Pendles, WHE, Mitchell, Crisp and Cox.
They have enough talent to middle out for a few seasons and will need to recruit right to contend again. But the powers that be have full confidence that their ‘all in’ approach this year will net them some reward before the inevitable.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

So if they have a good year things are good and if they have a bad year things are bad?

It would be hard to rebuild if they finish top 6. But outside of that and the chances increase the lower they finish. It's not rocket science. This is all speculation though. They did finish 14th in 2024.

 

[Osho]

Or is the process of becoming the thing the thing of itself?

Yes, that's probably the better explanation. Nothing concludes, it just is and may adapt its form, which is an ongoung expression of itself. The way of the universe.

I suppose if things are therefore infinite time is not fundamental. Perhaps even free will is non-existent, as choices are just expressions of what things are rather than a departure from what they are, as a departure from what one is would make what one is no longer.

 

[The 747]

Yes, that's probably the better explanation. Nothing concludes, it just is and may adapt its form, which is an ongoung expression of itself. The way of the universe.

I suppose if things are therefore infinite time is not fundamental. Perhaps even free will is non-existent, as choices are just expressions of what things are rather than a departure from what they are, as a departure from what one is would make what one is no longer.

True, then if time is not fundamental, space cannot be fundamental. Which brings up the question of what things are and how we define that state in a dimensional sense.

 

[PhatBoy]

I would never go down that path unless absolutely forced upon a club. Like no other choice at all

 

[Osho]

True, then if time is not fundamental, space cannot be fundamental. Which brings up the question of what things are and how we define that state in a dimensional sense.

Yep, time and space are just creations of our minds. Did Kant say that?

Science atomises things, breaks big things down into smaller components. It's useful to know how the world works, but doesn't explain what the world is.

So, are we left with the world as a single self expressing entity, and we are just part of the whole, not really separate? If so, we are back with vedanta. I'll be meditating again before you know it. Perhaps not such a bad idea.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I would never go down that path unless absolutely forced upon a club. Like no other choice at all

Personally I'm not a fan of the cut away everything style of rebuild. If you cut away too much senior talent the team imo sits near the bottom for a seriously long time.

 

[GastevsBeard]

I would never go down that path unless absolutely forced upon a club. Like no other choice at all

yeah i don't think richmond "chose" to rebuild

a quartet of our best players elected to leave & 2 ageing champions retired. we have consequently made the most of the cards dealt via the draft

 

[PhatBoy]

Personally I'm not a fan of the cut away everything style of rebuild. If you cut away too much senior talent the team imo sits near the bottom for a seriously long time.

And there’s no telling how many attempts it will take to get it right

 

[PhatBoy]

yeah i don't think richmond "chose" to rebuild

a quartet of our best players elected to leave & 2 ageing champions retired. we have consequently made the most of the cards dealt via the draft

Im not saying it did fully

 

[markm106]

It seems to me Trac and Clarry will stay. Seem to have worked things out with the club. Pickett very likely goes. The Clarry and Trac contracts are huge and it wouldn’t be simple to move them IMO without Melbourne taking unders and absorbing cap space.
In terms of our list we wouldn’t need a full rebuild. We’ve managed to stay in the draft last few seasons. But if you go full rebuild you risk guys looking elsewhere that you didn’t want to lose.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Melbourne seems to have recruited ok recently.

Pickett, Rivers, Bowey, McVee, Van Rooyen and Windsor are all proven to be decent or better and all could improve. Then add in 3 early picks in Langford, Lindsay and Tholstrup. It's not a terrible starting point.

It's not like Richmond who were basically bare bones for youngsters until this draft.

 

[emuboy]

I think that the 'scorched Earth' rebuild policy is a bad idea. As others have noted, you don't know how many attempts it is going to take to get there and if you will get there. If a team that wins back to back wooden spoons slowly and painfully climbs the ladder over several seasons but then can get no higher than 6th and losing Elimination Finals, is this a successful rebuild? And where to from there?

Look at the Kangaroos at the moment. North Melbourne have been in rebuilding mode for the past 5 years and are still languishing at the bottom of the ladder getting thrashed week after week and showing no progress at all, in fact even getting worse in 2024 with little hope for a bright future.

 

[Hydatina Physis]

Reckon our rebuild is/was a bit of a shemozzle. Happy with how we played it this draft, but everything leading up to that was a shocker. I think we're on track now, but I don't necessarily think other clubs would choose to have a rebuild similar to ours.

 

[demondavey]

So if they have a good year things are good and if they have a bad year things are bad?

 

[demondavey]

You’d think it’s last chance saloon for both Melbourne and Collingwood this year if they don’t make finals.

For Melbourne, they would probably offload Pickett, Petracca and Oliver for a raft of draft picks this year and next and change the coach. They might even look to offload troublemaker May for the right price if they decide to go full scorched earth.

For the Pies, Macrae has enough points in the bank for them to miss finals but it would speed up the planned exits of Howe, Elliott, Sidebottom, Mihocek, Pendles, WHE, Mitchell, Crisp and Cox.
They have enough talent to middle out for a few seasons and will need to recruit right to contend again. But the powers that be have full confidence that their ‘all in’ approach this year will net them some reward before the inevitable.

Troublemaker May?

Right….

 

[hawkman]

No one should ever be rebuilding like Richmond