Should the AFL allow Essendon to play if charged with doping ?

[Stumpy Pete]

Reality is, it is ONLY Essendon fans that matter - Christ we've seen that this year.

So only the reaction of that fan base that will dictate any change in 'acceptance' to players on the field.

Yes because the overall integrity of the code is not a factor here. Seriously, how arrogant are you?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[TerryWallet]

A number of key figures have already gone.

I have been unequivocal in my position regarding Hird (much to the chagrin of the majority of my EFC contempories) as much for his behaviour last year as anything else.

Should the bans come, as now look more likely, all remaining figures (Reid, Thompson et al) surely must go IMO.

But I think you know that

It is worth noting that by Essendon BigFooty Board standards, BigJoe is one of the most sane.

I'm not sure if that is more a reflection on BJD's full acceptance of the realities, or the levels of delusion of his contempories

But for now, take that as a compliment Joe

 

[Jade]

Yes because the overall integrity of the code is not a factor here. Seriously, how arrogant are you?

Oh I'm out there.....

I'm reminded of a quote, which I believe is attributed to Floyd Mayweather:

Some pay to see me win, some pay to see me lose, but they all pay.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Guerra was quoted and had NFI what he was injected with.

Faaaaaaaaaail.

You'd believe anything, I guess.

 

[Foxx]

The AFL are bigger stronger wealthier and have more connections than ASADA. Yet could not charge Essendon with any doping offences. Just Mismanagement, disrepute charges etc. So I fail to see how a small entity like ASADA is going to manage to lay charges and then penalise?

 

[Jade]

You'd believe anything, I guess.

I certainly believe that when a player has been quoted, that's what he said.

So, would you care to back away from this ridiculous statement?

LOL. Of course he did [ask what he was being injected with]. He also knew that Nich Riewoldt was having the same treatment.
There was no veil of secrecy, unlike Essendon's daily stomach injections.

Considering it is factually (and embarrassingly) incorrect. Go on, I'll let you.....

 

[Jade]

The AFL are bigger stronger wealthier and have more connections than ASADA. Yet could not charge Essendon with any doping offences. Just Mismanagement, disrepute charges etc. So how are a small entity like ASADA going to lay charges and then penalise?

Mate - terrible post. Littered with errors.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I certainly believe that when a player has been quoted, that's what he said.

So, would you care to back away from this ridiculous statement?

Considering it is factually (and embarrassingly) incorrect. Go on, I'll let you.....

Like I said, you would believe anything trotted out to the media by players then I guess.

AFL players are not going to talk openly about their knowledge of sports medicine to the media. They play dumb, and are coached on a daily basis when it comes to responding to the media.

If you seriously think a player would just get injections into his joints, without consultation of the doctor, or any knowledge as to the process and it's advantages or outcome, then more fool you.

 

[Foxx]

Mate - terrible post. Littered with errors.

Please enlighten me.

 

[good4footy]

The AFL are bigger stronger wealthier and have more connections than ASADA. Yet could not charge Essendon with any doping offences. Just Mismanagement, disrepute charges etc. So I fail to see how a small entity like ASADA is going to manage to lay charges and then penalise?

You are not being serious are you?

 

[Jade]

Please enlighten me.

Ahhh Christ. If I have to.

The AFL are bigger stronger wealthier and have more connections than ASADA. Yet could not charge Essendon with any doping offences. Just Mismanagement, disrepute charges etc. So I fail to see how a small entity like ASADA is going to manage to lay charges and then penalise?

1. ASADA is a government agency. It's 'practical' resources are effectively limitless in the right situation. The AFLs, whilst large, are not. ASADA answers to and is appointed by the Federal Sports Minister FFS.

2. The AFL CHOSE not to charge Essendon with doping offences. This has been attributed to various reasons, that they were waiting for the joint investigation (ie ASADA) to finish, that the outcome was negotiated by Essendon to avoid the most damaging (doping) charges, that the AFL itself believed it would do more harm than good. Moreover, as its own judge, jury and executioner, the AFLs powers are effectively limitless when dealing with it's own stakeholders.

3. ASADA doesn't penalise. I strongly encourage you to make yourself familiar with the 'who, what and why' if you want to pass comment on it.

 

[Jade]

Like I said, you would believe anything trotted out to the media by players then I guess.

AFL players are not going to talk openly about their knowledge of sports medicine to the media. They play dumb, and are coached on a daily basis when it comes to responding to the media.

If you seriously think a player would just get injections into his joints, without consultation of the doctor, or any knowledge as to the process and it's advantages or outcome, then more fool you.

Oh I see. So Jobe's admission that he took AOD-9604 can't be deemed factual then. Because what he actually says to the media can't be taken as fact.

Excellent. Crisis averted. Oh no wait, it only applies if you're a HAWTHORN player; "no, no, but, he said that, but he was umm, lying to the media, because umm, my argument is complete shit otherwise"

Backpedal away, go on.

 

[TerryWallet]

Oh I see. So Jobe's admission that he took AOD-9604 can't be deemed factual then. Because what he actually says to the media can't be taken as fact.

Excellent. Crisis averted. Oh no wait, it only applies if you're a HAWTHORN player; "no, no, but, he said that, but he was umm, lying to the media, because umm, my argument is complete shit otherwise"

Backpedal away, go on.

No it can't be taken as fact.

That's why he has still been playing.

His admission was instead investigated.

As was Guerra's.

And cleared.

Let's see if Jobe is so lucky.

 

[Foxx]

I strongly encourage you to make yourself familiar with the 'who, what and why' if you want to pass comment on it.

I'd like this put on the thread title thanks.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Oh I see. So Jobe's admission that he took AOD-9604 can't be deemed factual then. Because what he actually says to the media can't be taken as fact.

Excellent. Crisis averted. Oh no wait, it only applies if you're a HAWTHORN player; "no, no, but, he said that, but he was umm, lying to the media, because umm, my argument is complete shit otherwise"

Backpedal away, go on.

You're trying to convolute something that is pretty straight forward.

Guerra was playing dumb. Jobe did the opposite.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You're trying to convolute something that is pretty straight forward.

Guerra was playing dumb. Jobe did the opposite.

I don't get why you're so keen to give the impression Guerra knew. He clearly didn't. You're usually pretty good with not being too Hawthorn-centric group-thinkish, but the doping issue seems to fail that test with you. You won't cop any thought of any Hawks players being "wrong" in the issue. Ie you're very defensive about the Hawks as injection science leaders

 

[Jade]

You're trying to convolute something that is pretty straight forward.

Guerra was playing dumb. Jobe did the opposite.

Ooooooh I see.

The Hawthorn player, who has flat out admitted what we all know - that players simply do as they are told by club officials - is ok, because he was playing dumb and knew exactly what was going in his body, despite public utterances to the contrary.

He was playing dumb. Just because. And that's all there is to it. So there. It just is ALRIGHT!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

Your arguments are pathetic and weak. Should we revisit?

Irrelevant to my point - guerra didn't even ask what it was

LOL. Of course he did. He also knew that Nich Riewoldt was having the same treatment.
There was no veil of secrecy, unlike Essendon's daily stomach injections.

Caught out stone cold not knowing what you are on about.

Guerra was directly quoted admitting he had no idea what he was being injected with.

"Oh no, he was playing dumb"

 

[STFU Donnie]

To answer the OP, no.

Remove yourself from your love of AFL, as evidenced by your bigfooty account, and pretend it was another sport. The AFL's, nay, Australia's integrity in sport and anti-doping / anti-cheating comes into question if they are allowed to play. Might as well just label us the Chinese swimming team or East Germany while we are at it. The cost is too high.

This, and the potentially horrendous can of worms that might be opened. Sure, let them play if they receive show cause letters - after all, these will decide if they have a case to answer. But anyone receiving an IN must be stood down! Imagine if they were allowed to play and subsequently found guilty (and let's be realistic here, once INs are issued the likelihood that a suspension will follow is extremely high) then you have the scenario of Essendon having taken the field with ineligible players. What then, retrospective altering of the results? The other clubs will not stand for it. The AFL are consistently promoting themselves as the guardians of the game's integrity; this is just the occasion when they deliver more than just empty platitudes.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don't get why you're so keen to give the impression Guerra knew. He clearly didn't. You're usually pretty good with not being too Hawthorn-centric group-thinkish, but the doping issue seems to fail that test with you. You won't cop any thought of any Hawks players being "wrong" in the issue. Ie you're very defensive about the Hawks as injection science leaders

I'm very non-group-thinkish, yes.
That's why I'm not buying that Guerra knew nothing of orthokine therapy.
Players all through the AFL had had it or tried it before Guerra did, and I believe other Hawthorn players had before him.

Hence, I don't buy that he had no knowledge of it, and just rolled up his shorts leg and took a jab.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ooooooh I see.

The Hawthorn player, who has flat out admitted what we all know - that players simply do as they are told by club officials - is ok, because he was playing dumb and knew exactly what was going in his body, despite public utterances to the contrary.

He was playing dumb. Just because. And that's all there is to it. So there. It just is ALRIGHT!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

Your arguments are pathetic and weak. Should we revisit?



Caught out stone cold not knowing what you are on about.

Guerra was directly quoted admitting he had no idea what he was being injected with.

"Oh no, he was playing dumb"

You're getting quite worked up Jade. It's not really worth it.

It's pretty simple. I don't buy everything that comes out of a players mouth, because they are coached daily what they can and can't say.

 

[vjknight]

Reality is, it is ONLY Essendon fans that matter.......

i must say i have thorougly enjoyed that often quoted 'its only essendon fans business/hurting/problem' when many many people love the game for what it is, and not necessarily are 'one eyed down the line club only' people. this saga has threatened our game, not just your club, and i'll be ****ed if im going to sit by watching a few greedy shits try to cheat the system for their own benefit and be applauded for doing so.

 

[Jade]

i must say i have thorougly enjoyed that often quoted 'its only essendon fans business/hurting/problem' when many many people love the game for what it is, and not necessarily are 'one eyed down the line club only' people. this saga has threatened our game, not just your club, and i'll be ****** if im going to sit by watching a few greedy shits try to cheat the system for their own benefit, and be applauded for doing so.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but what the **** are you going to do about it?

Nuthin.

 

[vjknight]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but what the **** are you going to do about it?

Nuthin.

a hell of a lot more than youve been doing to stop your club being dissolved.

 

[Jade]

a hell of a lot more than youve been doing to stop your club being dissolved.

Ohhhhhh, do tell. Tell us your plans to rid the competition of those evil, evil Bombers.

 

[vjknight]

Ohhhhhh, do tell. Tell us your plans to rid the competition of those evil, evil posters.

structured buy out of bigfooty, then.................