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Opinion Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.
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I really like when the West Coast Eagles win games
A pick we can use to trade for an established mid would be extremely handy
Given Gov and Sheppard were close to the end and Venables wasnt proven, losing Angus Brayshaw in his prime id put up there somewhere especially as that ended any chance the Dees had of winning more finals, we probably come out ahead still though
If round 2 still started at pick 17 and round 3 started at 33 then i'd agree with you, but it doesn't. So yes, the club absolutely needs an assistance package.
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I've been a no on asking for assistance, if for no other reason than pride, but how low and how long does it go before you just have to.
I'm against the concept in general but if the rules of the game are to hand out assistance for clubs that are in a deep hole, then we more than qualify. Vic's will kick up a fuss regardless.
This weekend should be the catalyst to at least have the conversation.
I would suspect any request would relate to expanded access to our academy players, given the whole academy/draft system has been completely bastardised anyway.
I'm against the concept in general but if the rules of the game are to hand out assistance for clubs that are in a deep hole, then we more than qualify. Vic's will kick up a fuss regardless.
This weekend should be the catalyst to at least have the conversation.
I would suspect any request would relate to expanded access to our academy players, given the whole academy/draft system has been completely bastardised anyway.
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They did…. No one should have gotten anything… hopefully we don’t because we don’t deserve it… at all. If anything the wa football commission should be launching an investigation as to how this whole mess has occurred and replacing the board
The WAFC Make the AFL Commission look professionally run, with great development and no corruption in comparison.
The WAFC is the biggest problem with WA football.
The WAFC being pigheaded is why the AFL provides zero funding for the development of WA juniors and it also provides seven shades of **** all to WAFL clubs to help develop junior talent either.
They make FIFA, The IOC and the BCCI look good they are that bad.
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But they did...so why would we not take the same advantages other teams have been given when they've been in our position? Only evening up the playing field considering the whole league is compromised in so many different ways.
The AFL has to do something, WA is a heartland AFL state and this situation is doing untold damage to the sport here in ways that won't even be apparent for years. Nevermind trying to grow the game in NRL heartland.
For example, last night my 15 year old daughter took an interest in the game and in the end she asked if I could take her next week. It got me thinking. When I take her what will it be like? Should I risk taking her to a shit game with a dead atmosphere and risk putting her off wanting to go ever again? How many other parents have that question and just say no, we aren't going?
In WA at the moment we have a completely and utterly substandard product going out to more than half the state. It's an AFL problem and they would be fools to think it's just a club cycle thing. It's no good for AFL to allow this.
For example, last night my 15 year old daughter took an interest in the game and in the end she asked if I could take her next week. It got me thinking. When I take her what will it be like? Should I risk taking her to a shit game with a dead atmosphere and risk putting her off wanting to go ever again? How many other parents have that question and just say no, we aren't going?
In WA at the moment we have a completely and utterly substandard product going out to more than half the state. It's an AFL problem and they would be fools to think it's just a club cycle thing. It's no good for AFL to allow this.
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Why would there be a dead atmosphere next week? Isn't it a Freo home game?
We still managed to get roughly 45k to a home game vs 17th place in our worst ever year. A lot of Vic sides would kill a man for those kinds of numbers. Dont think the AFL are too worried just yet.
You need to constantly generate interest in the sport in young people. At the moment we are drifting into a fifth year of being a basket case and the AFL should worry how that plays out to this generation of young supporters in WA. If they take the position you have, that the crowds are good who cares, then they aren't looking at the big picture and are negligent.
I dont think we're in much trouble of losing memberships though. Ours are the most regulated in the comp and there's still a multi-year long waiting list.
I get what you're saying, but realistically no one is gonna give a shit until the West Coast money train stops flowing.
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Who gives a shit what other clubs did and what other fans think or what other people think. You got a few questions to answer
1. Will it benefit us if we ask for Priority picks - Yes
2. Will they say Yes if we asked - Potentially Yes
And thats it. If both are that answer then just do it. The rest of the noise is just mental weakness only
From and AFL perspective I'm talking more about grassroots AFL participation in WA. By the time that starts showing up as a problem it could be very difficult to reverse. Look at West Indies cricket, after that great era of players resigned they had a down spell and during that time basketball roared in to fill the void and the sport never recovered.
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What year did north Melbourne get a free agency pick when spuds worth went to Essendon?
The other McKay.
All we want is what North Melbourne got for finishing above us on the ladder that they didn't use to trade Reid and tanked our 2nd rounder to pick 30.
All because the new head job at the AFL worked at their club a couple of years before it all went down.
Very "complicated" but definitely not compromised.
The other McKay.
All we want is what North Melbourne got for finishing above us on the ladder that they didn't use to trade Reid and tanked our 2nd rounder to pick 30.
All because the new head job at the AFL worked at their club a couple of years before it all went down.
Very "complicated" but definitely not compromised.
Its not the crowd that the issue.
WA is a factory for a large portion of their product. That factory is starting to fall to pieces meaning the product is going to become substandard. The crowd drop off will follow.
It needs addressing.
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Reality is if we want Cameron/Erasmus then all we need is AFL to give us 2 2nd rounders that we need to trade. 20 and 34 for Cameron so Collingwood can get their 2 academy kids in and 21 for Erasmus + 39
We get 2 mature bodies in and all we lose is pick 34 becoming pick 39 for example
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We needed the picks last year really so we could have used then to make our trades instead of selling our first pick. We are definitely shit enough this year to be given assistance but in reality what are we going to do with it?
We've got pick 1&2 a pick in the mid teens and the first of the second round then access to 4 academy players. Even without being given picks we've got more picks than we can actually use. If we are lucky 1 of those 18 year olds plays regularly footy next year and how likely is that to improve us in 2026? Who are we going to get via trade when everyone we chase of any real clout says no to us and the players most likely to come are fringe hangers on struggling to make an impact at other clubs. If the AFL give us picks specifically for the purpose of us gifting them to other clubs, its like the first home bonus stuff the seller just treats you like you got your capitol for free so ups the price.
What we need from the AFL more than picks is cap relief. We would be better off if we were allowed to spend more than other clubs on the football department instead of the players. We didn't draft and recruit our way into this situation. We coached and managed into this situation. The second the AFL took our ability support our list the list stopped performing. That to me is the issue and the thing I most want us to fix. We have a situation where the best people in football are doing the job for love and a move west is just unfeasible, or even the best WA based off field talent just see no sense in pursuing a career in a football department because they can make more money doing virtually anything else.
Second thing I'd try and change before asking for more draft picks, improve the Beagles. Arguably us being shit should hurt the WAFC more than it hurts the AFL [if they could think long term that is] so maybe we should think outside the box a little and ask them for assistance. What do we need to do to improve enough to make finals in a 10 side competition with a top 4? Let us recruit better state level players who are upgrades on our top-ups so we are no longer the laughing stock of the league? But just like the AFL, the WAFC have a bunch of other clubs pressuring them not to help us in any way so what can you actually do.
We've got pick 1&2 a pick in the mid teens and the first of the second round then access to 4 academy players. Even without being given picks we've got more picks than we can actually use. If we are lucky 1 of those 18 year olds plays regularly footy next year and how likely is that to improve us in 2026? Who are we going to get via trade when everyone we chase of any real clout says no to us and the players most likely to come are fringe hangers on struggling to make an impact at other clubs. If the AFL give us picks specifically for the purpose of us gifting them to other clubs, its like the first home bonus stuff the seller just treats you like you got your capitol for free so ups the price.
What we need from the AFL more than picks is cap relief. We would be better off if we were allowed to spend more than other clubs on the football department instead of the players. We didn't draft and recruit our way into this situation. We coached and managed into this situation. The second the AFL took our ability support our list the list stopped performing. That to me is the issue and the thing I most want us to fix. We have a situation where the best people in football are doing the job for love and a move west is just unfeasible, or even the best WA based off field talent just see no sense in pursuing a career in a football department because they can make more money doing virtually anything else.
Second thing I'd try and change before asking for more draft picks, improve the Beagles. Arguably us being shit should hurt the WAFC more than it hurts the AFL [if they could think long term that is] so maybe we should think outside the box a little and ask them for assistance. What do we need to do to improve enough to make finals in a 10 side competition with a top 4? Let us recruit better state level players who are upgrades on our top-ups so we are no longer the laughing stock of the league? But just like the AFL, the WAFC have a bunch of other clubs pressuring them not to help us in any way so what can you actually do.
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Picks to trade in mature talent is what the AFL should do.
We have enough picks for kids.
We have nga kids worth developing.
We need additional spots and 2 or 3 more Baker / Graham mature types to help get us competitive and winning games and looking after the kids as they develop.
Plus additional soft cap space to pay decent coaches to develop them.
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Am I right I thinking that the costs associated with the WAFL eagles falls under the soft cap? If so, I'd imagine that a fair bit of our soft cap ends up there. Perhaps one way forward is to also ask that the costs associated with the WAFL eagles be excluded from the soft cap. Gives us more money to spend on development etc.
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Twomey lays it out here.
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AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey takes a look at the contrasting state of the WA teams, the Swans' remarkable record against GWS, why Ken's a good sport, and more in Monday Cal-culations
The Lions, back in 2016, were the last team to be handed a single selection when they got an end-of-first round choice as they battled to push up the ladder.
Now, as the AFL's new executive general manager of football starts his first day at League headquarters on Monday, there is another priority pick and list concession package decision coming.
West Coast is in for a long build. New Eagles coach Andrew McQualter has changed the style of his team and you can see the different way he has tried to embed a modern imprint into how his side should play.
But the Eagles just don't have the cattle. Throw in the absences this year of Jake Waterman, Elliot Yeo and Jeremy McGovern – who combined for 14 games before McGovern's retirement last month – and McQualter has been left without experience to help shepherd through his younger charges.
The Eagles have won one game this year and 10 since the start of 2022. That's 11 in their last 86. The way it's going, it will be 11 in 91 by the end of the year.
The AFL has used recent success as a benchmark for priority pick or list concession package decisions in the past. In 2022, the Kangaroos received two future draft picks to be traded for players, as well as granting the Roos two extra list spots, after they had won 12 of their previous 84 games.
In 2019, Gold Coast had won seven games from its previous two seasons before it was given a huge assistance package that included the No.1 pick – Matt Rowell – as well as a suite of draft selections and Academy concessions, including the ability to pre-list Academy talents without matching bids.
A year earlier, in 2018, the Suns had claimed 20 wins from their past four seasons when they, as well as Carlton (eight wins over two seasons) were given the ability to pre-list state league players – either to keep them or then trade them on in other deals.
In 2016, the last time a club was handed one pick as a priority selection, Brisbane was given pick No.19 at the draft after claiming seven wins over two seasons.
In an already super compromised draft, rivals will fume if the Eagles receive any extra draft help. West Coast has so far kept quiet on any intentions to ask for list help but while the rules are open for a handout, it is hard to see why they wouldn't.
It will be a decision for the AFL Commission, Andrew Dillon and Swann, parachuted into his new role after building Brisbane up to the 2024 flag, later this year.
Monday Cal-culations: Eagles' case for priority pick, Freo delivers on its promise
In Monday Cal-culations, Callum Twomey looks at why history says West Coast deserves more help, and the unsung big man who might have eclipsed Isaac Heeney
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AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey takes a look at the contrasting state of the WA teams, the Swans' remarkable record against GWS, why Ken's a good sport, and more in Monday Cal-culations
THE EAGLES' PRIORITY PICK CASE
GREG Swann was two years into his tenure as Brisbane's chief executive when his club put out its hand for a priority pick.The Lions, back in 2016, were the last team to be handed a single selection when they got an end-of-first round choice as they battled to push up the ladder.
Now, as the AFL's new executive general manager of football starts his first day at League headquarters on Monday, there is another priority pick and list concession package decision coming.
West Coast is in for a long build. New Eagles coach Andrew McQualter has changed the style of his team and you can see the different way he has tried to embed a modern imprint into how his side should play.
But the Eagles just don't have the cattle. Throw in the absences this year of Jake Waterman, Elliot Yeo and Jeremy McGovern – who combined for 14 games before McGovern's retirement last month – and McQualter has been left without experience to help shepherd through his younger charges.
The Eagles have won one game this year and 10 since the start of 2022. That's 11 in their last 86. The way it's going, it will be 11 in 91 by the end of the year.
The AFL has used recent success as a benchmark for priority pick or list concession package decisions in the past. In 2022, the Kangaroos received two future draft picks to be traded for players, as well as granting the Roos two extra list spots, after they had won 12 of their previous 84 games.
In 2019, Gold Coast had won seven games from its previous two seasons before it was given a huge assistance package that included the No.1 pick – Matt Rowell – as well as a suite of draft selections and Academy concessions, including the ability to pre-list Academy talents without matching bids.
A year earlier, in 2018, the Suns had claimed 20 wins from their past four seasons when they, as well as Carlton (eight wins over two seasons) were given the ability to pre-list state league players – either to keep them or then trade them on in other deals.
In 2016, the last time a club was handed one pick as a priority selection, Brisbane was given pick No.19 at the draft after claiming seven wins over two seasons.
In an already super compromised draft, rivals will fume if the Eagles receive any extra draft help. West Coast has so far kept quiet on any intentions to ask for list help but while the rules are open for a handout, it is hard to see why they wouldn't.
It will be a decision for the AFL Commission, Andrew Dillon and Swann, parachuted into his new role after building Brisbane up to the 2024 flag, later this year.
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So are they saying there's a chance we could get one once he's in charge?
The "super compromised draft" is exactly the reason the eagles SHOULD get a priority pick - the FS, Acc etc picks are what gave us a round 2 pick 30 last year - the compromised draft is what makes it hard to rebuild.Twomey lays it out here.
Monday Cal-culations: Eagles' case for priority pick, Freo delivers on its promise
In Monday Cal-culations, Callum Twomey looks at why history says West Coast deserves more help, and the unsung big man who might have eclipsed Isaac Heeney
AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey takes a look at the contrasting state of the WA teams, the Swans' remarkable record against GWS, why Ken's a good sport, and more in Monday Cal-culations
THE EAGLES' PRIORITY PICK CASE
In an already super compromised draft, rivals will fume if the Eagles receive any extra draft help. West Coast has so far kept quiet on any intentions to ask for list help but while the rules are open for a handout, it is hard to see why they wouldn't.
Do away with all of that, then we shouldn't get a pick - but as long as it is the way it is Eagles should 100% get priority picks/ assistance package.
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