Opinion Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.

[BSD]

First of all it's very disappointing that Pyke hasn't asked, but Kane should've stopped at that.
Suddenly she thinks that the vAFL has to make a statement about no more PP's after Norf received years of them...

The idiots that appointed that moron Kane should be sacked and she should be sent back to the V/AFLW because she is way out of her depth in the job she has got.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I'd take some NGA concession or picks we can use on our NGA prospects in 2025 or 2026.

 

[Wight Wolf]

The idiots that appointed that moron Kane should be sacked and she should be sent back to the V/AFLW because she is way out of her depth in the job she has got.

Ticks a certain box

 

[Boohemian]

The way that the draft has become completely compromised with the academies, a priority pick is a necessity for struggling teams to rebuild and draft good talent. Second round pick ends up in the 30's FFS. How can you rebuild with that?

 

[WCE_phil]

I'd take some NGA concession or picks we can use on our NGA prospects in 2025 or 2026.

Couple of extra list spots with the ability to pre list NGA's.

It's about the best the club can hope for.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Asking for assistance is not begging.
If anything we deserve it.
We have been propping up the struggling clubs for years, brought in more revenue for the afl then many of the other sides.
Travel the most out of any AFL side each year, maybe bar Freo.
Yes we have made some mistakes but so does every other side, backing their stars to produce another flag.
We have been one of the most successful sides in the competition sinse we started.
Now it is our turn to go through the dumps.
In my opinion there is one person who isn't mentioned about being a part of the cause of our position and that is Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

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. I liken him to a Magpie Goose because he goes some where, ****s everything and leaves.

Now had we been able to have two picks in the top 20 the last 4 years we may not be in the same position and this is all the AFLs doing. Now we are called beggers and undeserving for assistance, spare me!

 

[WCE_phil]

Also for the future, to protect tv and streaming rights deals, once Tasmania is in the competition if a Victorian team is a constant drag, the league can afford to merge 2 teams and it would also likely be beneficial not only to the clubs but also to the league from a financial perspective.

Clubs like North, Saints, Dogs would not want to be shit and losing money in 4/5 years time.

 

[WCE777]

Also for the future, to protect tv and streaming rights deals, once Tasmania is in the competition if a Victorian team is a constant drag, the league can afford to merge 2 teams and it would also likely be beneficial not only to the clubs but also to the league from a financial perspective.

Clubs like North, Saints, Dogs would not want to be shit and losing money in 4/5 years time.

Probably a bigger conversation, but if the AFL was serious about clubs being competitive on field and off field they would have put their flag in the ground and said 1 of those clubs should merge with the new Tassie team and make them competitive from day 1.
Have a decent player base to start with and supporter base(NM) is the obvious answer to join Tassie.
The other 2 you mention should be amalgamated, they have struggled financially for years and would be a decent fan base combined and if run successfully would be a decent club, totally an AFL wide decision to be successful on field and off and not drain resources $$.
Alternatively there should be a 5 year vision of when Tassie joins, within 5 years if you haven't improved your financial position and fan base by xx, 1 club should be merged with Tassie and the other 2 merged for the benefit of the AFL.

 

[shoutsatclouds]

Probably a bigger conversation, but if the AFL was serious about clubs being competitive on field and off field they would have put their flag in the ground and said 1 of those clubs should merge with the new Tassie team and make them competitive from day 1.
Have a decent player base to start with and supporter base(NM) is the obvious answer to join Tassie.
The other 2 you mention should be amalgamated, they have struggled financially for years and would be a decent fan base combined and if run successfully would be a decent club, totally an AFL wide decision to be successful on field and off and not drain resources $$.
Alternatively there should be a 5 year vision of when Tassie joins, within 5 years if you haven't improved your financial position and fan base by xx, 1 club should be merged with Tassie and the other 2 merged for the benefit of the AFL.

Agreed, this makes complete sense in a rational World - but Fitzroy and South Melbourne were a long time ago.

Back in the Real World, you just know that the VaFL isn't going to lose 'Traditional' teams from the Heartland...

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

First of all it's very disappointing that Pyke hasn't asked, but Kane should've stopped at that.
Suddenly she thinks that the vAFL has to make a statement about no more PP's after Norf received years of them...

It's even worse than that. Notice she is not saying that the AFL is getting rid of the PP facility/option altogether despite the arguments she lays out about how it incentivizes bad decisions from clubs. She wants to hang on to it as an option but just not exercise it when we qualify. They clearly think they may want to use it for the benefit of other clubs in the future or they would just get rid of it altogether. Their argument would look more coherent if they did get rid of it. But they aren't. They are keeping it with the intention of using it in the future but just don't want to use it with us.

She also doesn't address the weakest part of her argument which is justifying why North got one despite the fact we will have a worse recent record than them shortly. And GC got one. And whoever interviewed her didn't put it to her. She needs to be asked to explain how North and GC's troubles didn't involve any bad trades or decisions but ours did.

 

[ThePuma #9]

The AFL isn’t going to merge any teams. They will look to add another team within 5 years of Tasmania joining the competition.

Simple mathematics. One extra game to sell television rights for and further expansion to keep the NRL on the back foot despite their upcoming expansion plans.

The AFL has no intention of taking a step backwards.

 

[eaglesfan84]

Can we ask for a priority pick in our leadership team? Can we please replace Pyke/Woosha/Mini etc? The lack of leadership club wide, not just on the field, is glaringly obvious. I'd kill for a Brendan Gale/Steve Hocking.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Couple of extra list spots with the ability to pre list NGA's.

It's about the best the club can hope for.

There is already talk over east that Laura kane supports two extra cat b rookies for every list

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Kane says nahhhh

https://archive.md/i7Z0z

Basically, we haven't asked but even if we did teams should be able to rebuild through the draft.

Nothing article IMO - just Kane playing a straight bat.

AFL will only consider assistance if an application is made.

West Coast hasn't applied for assistance, and we wouldn't until end of year.

Therefore the AFL is not currently considering assistance for West Coast.

 

[KERRPOW]

West coast would be negligent if we didnt ask for a PP at the end of the season.

 

[Choogler]

We make money - no fear of folding

North make no money - fear of folding

Got to keep those television rights going, heaven forbid they lost a team or two.

There’s your “equalization” right there.

The question is, would the broadcast deal be worth $65 million a year less if say NM/WB and Melbourne/StK were to merge? The current broadcast deal is worth $4.5 billion over 7 years. That is $643.9 million per season. Including finals, there are 423 AFL games and 225 AFLW games broadcast. If you work it out simplistically, it works out at $993,700 per game.

If those 4 teams were to merge, it would take a total of 70 games out of the AFL calendar. (@ $993,700/game = $69.559 million). It would create 2 clubs that I believe would no longer require prop up funding from the AFL.

In 2024, those 4 clubs received AFL distributions of $100.15 million between them. If you take the WCE distribution of $16.89 (the lowest of all clubs) as the base distribution it means those 4 clubs between them received $32.59 million in prop up funding.

If the 4 merged into 2 and became profitable and received the same distribution as the WCE, it would total $33.78 million, saving the AFL around $66.22 million which is very close to what they simplistically generate.

I say simplistically because we all know that the facts are it is the BIG games involving the bigger clubs like Pies, Carlton, Hawks, Richmond and Essendon and other games like the Showdowns, Western Derbies etc that are the real money spinners and that clubs like NM, WB, StK and Melbourne struggle to even draw decent crowds let alone high rating TV audiences. They contribute nothing to the growth, or financial well-being, of the AFL, all they do is suck more than their share of funding from the AFL coffers.

As you said, right there is your "equalization" but we know nothing will change until the AFL gets rid of their "They shall survive" attitude towards the Vic-based pauper clubs

 

[Choogler]

Nothing article IMO - just Kane playing a straight bat.

AFL will only consider assistance if an application is made.

West Coast hasn't applied for assistance, and we wouldn't until end of year.

Therefore the AFL is not currently considering assistance for West Coast.

I actually agree with Kane, but despise her double standards and hypocrisy.

In case people aren't aware, this is some of here history that is particularly relevant to her latest statement:

Until September 2021, she was General Manager Strategy and Football Operations and Head of Football Operations at the North Melbourne Football Club and was a part of their list management stuff up.

In September 2023, in her current position at the AFL, she was a part of the decision made to give her old club NM, 3 end of first round assistance picks across the 23/24 drafts.

After jumping off the sinking ship at NM, then handing them what they needed to fix the leaks that she helped to create she now says fix your own stuff-ups

AFL and Kane are such a mob of two-faced f*****g HYPOCRITES.

Despite my whinge, I'd rather we didn't resort to going cap in hand to the AFL like the NM Beggaroos, and took responsibility for our own mismanagement.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

They SHOULD ask for the pick, but what'll probably save the AFL from that would be Oscar getting a Band 1 compo kinda deal so the league can go 'there you go'

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

We won't get one this year as Kane has already boxed herself into a corner over it and it would be humiliating for her to backtrack. But we should ask anyway and kick up a real stink when they say No. Try and get the WA media behind it. Have a public argument with the AFL over it and force the AFL to justify it.

Because if we do that if might put a bit of doubt in their mind next year about saying No again (assuming we are still in the bottom 4 next year). We need to try and make it harder for them to say No next year. Make sure they know they will have to have a fight with us and the WA media over it.

If we just meekly accept No and don't have a fight with them over it then we make it a very easy decision for them to keep saying No. The squeeky wheel gets the grease. I think that that is the whole reason why Kane made those clearly pre - planned and scripted public comments was to disarm the issue for this year by dissuading us from even asking. She knows if we win zero games and ask it will be hard to justify a No. So she is trying to stop us from even asking.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

‘What are they doing?’: Eagles tipped for AFL handout... but they aren’t using a clear ‘advantage’

‘What are they doing?’: Eagles tipped for AFL handout... but they aren’t using a clear ‘advantage’

www.foxsports.com.au

Fox article on assistance package.

Sounds like some of the Melbourne reporters have been speaking off the record with both the AFL and Pyke. They are saying we are definately going to ask for assistance. But PP's are off the table because "the AFL just doesn't do that anymore" even though they haven't made a public statement ruling out ever giving PP's to anybody again.

They are saying there is probably a middle ground where we will be given some extra NGA assistance and access to state level players before the draft. I am not sure what the value of that is. I'll let others will more knowledge of it debate it.

They also criticise us for not doing more to help ourselves by spending money over the soft cap and paying the tax. They don't seem to understand that the club is controlled by the WAFC. And the WAFC exists and survives on royalty payments from the two clubs. If they give the green light to spend money over the cap and pay the tax then profit goes down and their royalty payments go down. You are asking them to vote to give themselves a pay cut effectively. Which is not going to happen.

 

[BSD]

I actually agree with Kane, but despise her double standards and hypocrisy.

In case people aren't aware, this is some of here history that is particularly relevant to her latest statement:

Until September 2021, she was General Manager Strategy and Football Operations and Head of Football Operations at the North Melbourne Football Club and was a part of their list management stuff up.

In September 2023, in her current position at the AFL, she was a part of the decision made to give her old club NM, 3 end of first round assistance picks across the 23/24 drafts.

After jumping off the sinking ship at NM, then handing them what they needed to fix the leaks that she helped to create she now says fix your own stuff-ups

AFL and Kane are such a mob of two-faced f*****g HYPOCRITES.

Despite my whinge, I'd rather we didn't resort to going cap in hand to the AFL like the NM Beggaroos, and took responsibility for our own mismanagement.

The WCE should ask Kane to publicly explain what was the logic she used behind helping Norf with assistance picks in the 23/24 drafts.
They should also ask why Norf get millions more in financial distribution than West Coast.
Kane needs to be exposed for the hypocrite she is. She is an absolute failure and should be sacked before she gets her hands on Dillon's job

 

[ziad]

The WCE should ask Kane to publicly explain what was the logic she used behind helping Norf with assistance picks in the 23/24 drafts.
They should also ask why Norf get millions more in financial distribution than West Coast.
Kane needs to be exposed for the hypocrite she is. She is an absolute failure and should be sacked before she gets her hands on Dillon's job

The AFL is an entertainment business. The key word entertainment. Any concept of a level playing field, or a robust sporting comp is absolutely delusional.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

We need to make a song and dance about asking for a priority pick (PP). I would want to ask the AFL publicly why we are not getting assistance when on the record North and GCS have the same shit record was given multiple years of PP.

Because if they say no more PP's - Then it will be hard for them to continue to hand them out in 2/3 years. I Melbourne, Richmond STK or whatever Victorian side is shit in parallel with Tasmania coming in.

Otherwise, we get something and let the same argument come into question then, regarding if PP should be available in the system.

Personally, I couldnt careless but make it transparent why Team X gets assistance and Team Y doesnt.

 

[Obeanie1]

Sorry mate, i assume you agree - revisiting what clubs did is neither here or there. They all received some form of assistance?

And for posts regarding picking up players via PSD, easier enough to do if a player is willing to do that. Its rare, it can be threated to get a trade done but it is rare for a player to burn bridge at a former club to leave via PSD.

So that leaves the AFL to support this club either by giving additional picks or by providing soft cap relief. There is no other way.

**I premise this by if this bullshit continues Pyke really needs to do organise an external review, its been long enough and need NON WCE football minds to make sure we are getting the very best out of every facet of the club.

There are other ways you didn't mention.

And it's what will happen.

The AFL will allocate us additional rookie and or Cat B rookie spots.

And that is what we will ask for and get.

We have a number of NGA prospects coming up and several already. We need additional list spots to bring in additional NGA kids without turning over the existing kids who need more time.

It also helps the WAFL team with depth and quality.

It's a no brainer and other clubs should be fine with it because they don't get shafted by a priority pick pushing their picks out.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I'd take some NGA concession or picks we can use on our NGA prospects in 2025 or 2026.

How about we get the benefit the Suns had and automatic listing of nga prospects for 3 years with additional spots to take them. Good this year but better next year