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Analysis Sidebottom (with fan poll)

Your thoughts on Sidey?

  • Top 1-3 at our club, and Elite in AFL

  • Top 10 at our club, above average in AFL

  • Top 11-18 at our club, only average in AFL

  • Below Average player overall

  • Not sure how I feel about him

  • This poll is too confusing. I'd rather a "yes" or "no" question.

  • Top 1-3 at our club, but NOT Elite in the AFL


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One of the most polarising figures in our footy club.

I've read comments on this board about Sidey that range from "our second best player only behind Pendles" to "he is an absolute dud. Can't believe anyone rates him. Trade him!"

It seems to me that this is largely due to his knack of performing elite/first class actions on the field one minute, then screwing up a kick (that even Jonathan Marsh, under pressure, would nail) the next!

Today's performance really typified this. Sidey at one point ruined a good handball chain out of the backline by kicking directly to a West Coast player 10m away from him. This cost us a goal.
But then, 5 mins later, he took possession and kicked a well-placed ball in to the 50 which was marked and goaled by our forward (Moore I believe?).

He then continued on doing some awesome things and some silly things throughout the game. Ultimately, though, he ended up with at least one goal assist + 2 goals (one which sealed the game, and another which lifted our side when the game was there for the taking) and 26 disposals.
Despite his major screw ups, I do not believe that we would have won without his contributions today.

This still leaves me scratching my head as to what I think of him as a player, however.
Is he, like Wayne Carey says, 'elite'? Is he maybe just a decent player? Is he a spud? Or none of the above?
Should we keep him? Trade him? Make him change his ridiculous name?

Whilst Sidey can frustrate us on a regular basis, I ultimately feel that the positives of him as a player, overall, outweigh the negatives. As an extension of this, I believe that the 'derp' moments he has are far overshadowed by his positive contributions. I would also suggest that these positive contributions are not always highlight-reel worthy (i.e. He just does the little things well), and thus often go unnoticed by fans.
If I contrast Sidey with Greenwood, for example, I would suggest that Greenwood is sometimes a player whose derps outweigh or overshadow his (very solid) positive contributions. I do not think this about Sidey for some reason.

How many times do we see Sidey get possessions as an attacking midfielder or winger (or even as a forward), only to see him somehow back helping in the backline if the opposition counter attack?
Unlike some other midfielders and wingers, Sidey usually attempts to make up for his mistakes, Nd helps the defenders. If he turns a ball over, he will be back trying to help right the wrong if possible. I would say this about Taylor Adams, too.

Sidey's kicking IS frustrating, though. Today's terrible kick was an aberration, as he clearly thought the west coast player was a pies player. The kick itself was good! (LOL)
But it is the dinky kicks that just fall short or the just slightly misplaced or misdirected kicks that frustrate me... Mostly because I know that he actually is a very good kick on both right and left feet! Why oh why, Sidey, do you stuff up some easy kicks when you're such a good kick?!
This is perhaps the part of his game which drives us most bananas. Along with the occasional and bizarre brain fades. There's no particular answer for why this occurs so often. The only thing I can think of is that I've usually observed him making these errors when he's on the run and after he's been running a fair amount of distance. His tank may be huge, but that doesn't mean he will never make physical and mental fatigue-based skill errors.
That being said, I do agree this should be better.

Overall I feel, though, that Sidey has been a consistently positive contributor - who has been capable of both stunning feats and ridiculous mistakes - for about 5 years now. He was one of our better players in the premiership year, has been averaging over 25 possessions for 4 years, and is still only 25 years of age.
I think we would struggle to find an adequate comparison player to him. He is truly unique; capable of playing half back, half forward, forward pocket, wing, inside and outside mid... Yet is perhaps not 'elite' at any of them?
I would personally conclude that he is perhaps a well above average all-round player, who is capable of playing at an Elite level in many different positions, whilst not actually being consistently elite at any one of them.
Ultimately I think his footy smarts are close to elite... Which may sound odd considering I also concede that he makes terribly stupid mistakes!

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TL/DR - Sidebottom is a bizarre player, whose positive contributions (in my opinion) far outweigh his negative ones.

What conclusions have you drawn about Sidebottom? Where to next for this 150+ game, 25 year old 'veteran' of our club?
Do we expect too much, or not enough?
 
He is a good player. Simple.

Never will be an All Australian but most weeks is a good contributor.

Makes plenty of mistakes (dropped marks and misses easy kicks) then also has moments of brilliance.
 
Think he needs to play Half forward with the licence to be the extra midfielder as he's tank is unbelievable.

When Sidebottom fires it's not often we lose, very good player B+ type player, does make mistakes which I feel you need to just accept, he has X-factor which you can't teach.
 

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Sidey should have been top 3 at our club by now.

At this stage of his career, and with our list, he should be playing as a champion and a leader alongside Pendles, and helping bring the young kids through. You look at how good Beams got at his best, and you wonder why Sidey could never get there. His entire career seems to have been more about a guy who has glimpses of brilliance, but never providing that consistently enough to be considered Elite.

Still one of our top 5 or 6 though, but just wish he could be providing more.
 
He'd be about 5th at the club, behind Pendlebury, Swan, Treloar and Reid. I would put him in a bracket with Grundy, Elliott, Adams, Howe and Fasolo and he is probably the best of that bunch, for now. He is very good and would stroll into any AFL side but he struggles to actually impact games. My criticism of Sidebottom is that he's unobtrusive.

His stats are usually excellent and he is clean, but he doesn't take over games like the true elites do.
 
He is the weirdest player I've ever seen, can do brilliant things then can do extremely stupid things in the space of 3 minutes. He needs to play in the forward half.. down back he makes horrendous decisions but up forward he does things very few can.
Pretty much sums it up for me. He has amazing goal sense and is very crafty.
 
some times steel try's to do to much and as frustrating as it is mistakes happen even by the very best
so l know if he makes one he will do some thing great to make up for it. he is top three for me
the team cannot cover him when missing. l would like steel to be more forward as he is one of the best
small forwards as well. till we have another runner like steel in the mids cannot be replaced
 
Elite runner. Absolutely.
Efforts and application during games, fantastic.

Overall a notch or so below elite but close enough to overall terrific player.
Does odd thing wrong, but such a superb runner, up and down that always presenting.

Plays finals well, so big games doesn't go missing.

Terrific player, not Pendlbury or Swan but high value player. Brings plenty and boy can he run
 
He is a gun. That kick was an aberration and a perfect example how how hard people are on him. Is he prone to errors yes but his ball use is generally very good. He is going to make mistakes because he is not afraid to take a risk and make things happen .

On top of this he is very loyal if the figure of 550 k for 5 years is right then kudos to him because he could get more else where. He is from all reports a sensational bloke to have around the club.
 

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Only player on our list u reguarly see in our forward line goal square then next minute hes back in our defensive goal square helping out the backmen.

Perhaps part of the reason he does hav a brain fart a game is because he is fatigued as he is the only player on our list who continually runs both ways during a game.

3rd only behind pendlebury and swan at our club
 
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Sidey has himself admitted to having had an 'up and down' season, and there have been moments in games (and more rarely, entire games) where he just hasn't seemed himself. To me it underscores how good a player he is, the fact that his brain fades and fumbles have seemed downright odd as well as obviously disappointing.

My only criticism of Sidey in the past has been that he hasn't been as penetrating with his disposals as I'd like, that he goes short or sideways when the moment demands faster and deeper movement. Maybe this stops him from being 'elite' (whatever that word means to you), maybe not. But it remains the case that his poise and vision and clean ball use (generally) is critical in a side which lacks for composure at the moment, and it remains true that his best moments are utterly sublime.
 
Poll should have top 5 because that's where he's at

Pendlebury
Treloar
Adams
Reid
Sidebottom

As in "top 5 and elite" ?

Soz!

If you mean "top 5 and above average" then that's just inclusive within the "top 10 and above average" option.... Cause within top 10 he can be anything from 1-10 :)

But I didn't out a too 5 and elite option cause I thought that if he was 5th at our club that he likely would not be elite in the afl? Just a thought though, no statistical evidence to confirm this :)
 

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Only player on our list u reguarly see in our forward line goal square then next minute hes back in our defensive goal square helping out the backmen.

Perhaps part of the reason he does hav a brain fart a game is because he is fatigued as he is the only player on our list who continually runs both ways during a game.

3rd only behind pendlebury and swan out our club

Good post. I tend to agree.
 
He offers quite a bit as a player with elite endurance capable of making a difference front or back.

Most people's frustration with him stems from his derp moments and those cute chips. I have accepted that he will never win a Brownlow but will be an important player for us over the next few years.
 
Think he needs to play Half forward with the licence to be the extra midfielder as he's tank is unbelievable.

When Sidebottom fires it's not often we lose, very good player B+ type player, does make mistakes which I feel you need to just accept, he has X-factor which you can't teach.

Yep. I agree. He's by far our most natural crumber and we've seen him kick goals from impossible situations the last two weeks.

If we can build our midfield depth to release him forward it would pay dividends I reckon.
 
Much like Heath Shaw and Toovey before him, I simply can't enjoy or like a player who costs us goals and momentum as often as Steele does.

I never changed on Shaw or Toovey and I won't on Steele. I'd rather we didn't have him. I know he can do great things, but he completely cancels them out and then some with utter stupidity, laziness and just flat out indifference to the cause.

I'd argue he borderline cost us the North Melbourne game last week with his absolute momentum killers.
 
Much like Heath Shaw and Toovey before him, I simply can't enjoy or like a player who costs us goals and momentum as often as Steele does.

I never changed on Shaw or Toovey and I won't on Steele. I'd rather we didn't have him. I know he can do great things, but he completely cancels them out and then some with utter stupidity, laziness and just flat out indifference to the cause.

I'd argue he borderline cost us the North Melbourne game last week with his absolute momentum killers.


Wow , you think we would be better if he was not in our side. Your entitled to your opinion but I think that's about the biggest load of bull I've read on bf. I'd argue he got us back into the game last week and with out him we would not have been a chance in the last quarter . And lazy ? He is just about our hardest working player.
 

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