Sides that constantly throw the ball

[tiger_tough]

The actual wording of the rule has been posted in this thread, and it does not say that, or suggest it.

Despite the evident belief of many Richmond players who appear to have been coached to throw as a first choice and only handball as a last resort.

The umps are in a no win. In a large percentage of situations they have a limited view or no view, and I think it's pretty clear they are acting on instruction to only pay a throw that's 100% blatant from their viewpoint. Imagine how bad it would look if a sudden run of throwing free kicks showed the world that the top teams in the game constantly chuck it? Very bad look.

If we really wanted to stamp it out then we could review every game from every angle, pull out 30 or so undoubtedly deliberate throws and hand out some fines and suspensions. Just like we could do with players who flop out of marking contests without a finger being laid on them. But don't.

And while we're at it, stop the tame commentators saying rubbish like "he somehow got a handball out" when we've all just seen a one hand throw?

Handball: the act of holding the football in one hand and disposing of the football by hitting it with the clenched fist of the other hand.
As I said just gotta get a hand on it.

Fines or suspensions for a throw? Haha. That's funny.

Not sure why you've singled out Richmond either.

 

[hawkman]

I can understand them missing the shovel throws as they can appear to be handballs. The worst ones that are missed are the ones where the ball goes in a 90 degree angle to where the fist is going. Those are clear that the other hand is propelling the ball

 

[sprockets]

It really shits me how over the top umpires are with calls against defenders (in the back, high tackle, holding, intentional out of bounds) but are so lax on calls against the attacker (throwing, HTB).
The AFL thinks the average supporter just wants to see high scoring shoot outs and are tweaking the rules constantly to encourage this.
Its similar to the obsession in cricket with big hitting batsmen vs quality bowling.

It gives them more time for ads.

 

[theyellowsash]

You're absolutely right.

Tackling is largely a waste of time. Guys get way too much time to get rid of it, and can throw it. Getting rewarded for tackling hasn't really happened since 2015.

Guys that follow their opponent around and get 15 tackles a week are wasting their time.

this. our gameplan for 4 years as the best team has been to tackle a lot, and we give away lots of high frees because of it, yet we'd be doing well to get more than a couple htb per game. how many you get seems to have no correlation to how often you tackle.

tackling these days is kinda like in gaelic. its just meant to panic the opposition into a turnover kick/handball rather than to actually dispossess them.

 

[Laphroaig]

Handball: the act of holding the football in one hand and disposing of the football by hitting it with the clenched fist of the other hand.
As I said just gotta get a hand on it.

I can see the part about striking it with a clenched fist.

I can't see the part about just touching it with a fingernail though.

Not sure why you've singled out Richmond either.

Have a think about it for a while. It may come to you.

 

[tiger_tough]

I can see the part about striking it with a clenched fist.

I can't see the part about just touching it with a fingernail though.



Have a think about it for a while. It may come to you.

You're over thinking it. The hand just has to hit the ball. The force is irrelevant.

 

[Swanks McSwankserton]

this. our gameplan for 4 years as the best team has been to tackle a lot, and we give away lots of high frees because of it, yet we'd be doing well to get more than a couple htb per game. how many you get seems to have no correlation to how often you tackle.

tackling these days is kinda like in gaelic. its just meant to panic the opposition into a turnover kick/handball rather than to actually dispossess them.

Funnily enough our tackle numbers compared to the rest of the league has been below average for the past 4 years.
Suppose it depends somewhat on what they count as a 'tackle' though.

 

[djboonie]

Used to be an over the head handball was always called as a throw. Anything goes these days. But that would be a simple one to cut out

 

[Laphroaig]

You're over thinking it. The hand just has to hit the ball. The force is irrelevant.

It might be appealing to believe that if your favorite players are serial chuckers.

However, the Oxford Dictionary begs to differ.

STRIKE
verb
[transitive, intransitive] (formal) to hit somebody/something hard or with force

And the rules of the game are indeed written in English. Even if at times their application suggests that they may as well be written in Swahili.

 

[tiger_tough]

It might be appealing to believe that if your favorite players are serial chuckers.

However, the Oxford Dictionary begs to differ.

STRIKE
verb
[transitive, intransitive] (formal) to hit somebody/something hard or with force

And the rules of the game are indeed written in English. Even if at times their application suggests that they may as well be written in Swahili.

Does the oxford dictionary have the definition of flog?

Nice googling but the rules don't even contain the word strike for one. It says hit, I already showed you that before. Nowhere does it say how hard and even if it did it'd be far too hard to officiate.

You may not like it but that's the rule. The issue I have is that far too many aren't being called where the 2nd hand doesn't come into contact with the ball at all, ie a throw

It's really not that hard to grasp.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The whole issue is that it no longer matters which jand is responsible for the propulsion of the ball.

It always used to be very clear that it had to be the clenched fist. A whiff that you'd used your other hand to propel the ball, and it was a throw.


This is clearly no longer the case.

I guess the question is whether it's a genuine change to the rule, or if the umpires have just decided to interpret it that way?

 

[Laphroaig]

Does the oxford dictionary have the definition of flog?

Nice googling but the rules don't even contain the word strike for one. It says hit, I already showed you that before. Nowhere does it say how hard and even if it did it'd be far too hard to officiate.

You may not like it but that's the rule. The issue I have is that far too many aren't being called where the 2nd hand doesn't come into contact with the ball at all, ie a throw

It's really not that hard to grasp.

HIT
verb
[transitive, intransitive] to bring your hand, or an object you are holding, against somebody/something quickly and with force

Synonyms: strike, smack, punch, thump

 

[tiger_tough]

HIT
verb
[transitive, intransitive] to bring your hand, or an object you are holding, against somebody/something quickly and with force

Synonyms: strike, smack, punch, thump

Good boy. Both completely open to interpretation.

Pretty simple.

 

[Laphroaig]

Good boy. Both completely open to interpretation.

Pretty simple.

Sure.

 

[leroyeagle]

News flash: Players will try to get away with anything they can get away with. Richmond probably push the boundaries more than any other team.

 

[revo333]

OP did you happen to umpire the 2016 grand final?

They might of watched the second half of the game where the bulldogs dominated regardless of the umpiring.

 

[illegaleagle]

EXACTLY. How the commentators said it with a straight face is beyond me

Never use it as an excuse when eagles lose away though

 

[sprockets]

Well I can't find the stats for 'pushing the boundaries'

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

They might of watched the second half of the game where the bulldogs dominated regardless of the umpiring.

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[Dangerousfield]

Saw the thread title, clicked on the OP expecting to see the big offenders named but Dogs and Cats - in that order not named, Richmond very close to figuring in the quinella were. Thread starter needs to watch more games.

Dogs clearly biggest offenders, their 2016 gift flag was propelled by outrageous umpiring bias towards them all yrar and particularly during four finals, which included non penalisation of throws all season.

Throwing is sapping my enjoyment of the game, over the head throws, guys almost prostrate on the ground shoveling out the ball to team mates, handing off the ball in close, blatant flicks, all not penalised because the AFL is obsessed with keeping the game flowing.

Action Point - AFL, start paying throwing frees and watch the art of handball return with little effect on game flow.

OP, what a bad miss!

 

[nineteen eighty]

I'm intrigued why the Tiges are being singled out on this one. Is it because Edwards handballs backwards and over his head?

I opened this thread thinking there were a couple of very obvious teams that could be called out followed by a close bunch of another 16 teams.

 

[deck]

You're over thinking it. The hand just has to hit the ball. The force is irrelevant.

Of course the force is relevant. If your fist just grazes the ball with little force then the ball shouldn't be moving upwards and outwards at speed and travel 15-20 metres.

 

[tiger_tough]

Of course the force is relevant. If your fist just grazes the ball with little force then the ball shouldn't be moving upwards and outwards at speed and travel 15-20 metres.

Thats not the rule though. It just has to hit the 2nd hand.

 

[revo333]

Dogs clearly biggest offenders, their 2016 gift flag was propelled by outrageous umpiring bias towards them all yrar and particularly during four finals, which included non penalisation of throws all season.

Gift wrapped from 7th on the ladder and had to travel to WA for the first final.

Yep, the AFL clearly wanted us to win!

 

[revo333]

I'm intrigued why the Tiges are being singled out on this one. Is it because Edwards handballs backwards and over his head?

I opened this thread thinking there were a couple of very obvious teams that could be called out followed by a close bunch of another 16 teams.

Premierships.