Sides that constantly throw the ball

[flyinghi64]

It has gotten so bad that now the commentators have just adopted it as part of the game and even have the phrase "flicked out"
"nice flick out by .........."
"???????? flicks it out to ??????? running past"
"Flicked out from the bottom of the pack by .........."

It has gotten beyond a joke and when 10+ have blatantly been let go then 1 get's randomly paid it is all the worse.
If a team has 40+ free kicks against for throwing, so be it. Maybe they will learn to LEGALLY dispose of the ball.

 

[Igloo]

All of the teams.

 

[Underarm]

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Supposed to be propelled with a clenched fist. Not using different forms of momentum and having the fist there as a token effort.

If they aren’t going to pay them we’d be better off doing away with the confusion and just legalising scoops and throws, which I’m sure 95% of supporters would be against. So start paying them, even if that means a few 40+ free kick games early on (that’s the price we have to pay for letting it slip this far).. the players will learn and adapt fairly quickly and realise they can no longer get away with it.

It doesn't say anything about keeping the ball still, just that it has to be held in one hand and hit with the other fist.

Every club should be teaching this method of handballing as it's faster and more accurate. Should be a skill as highly practised as kicking on the opposite foot.

 

[Kim Hagdorn]

Geelong are the worst.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Got exclusive footage of Kamdyn McIntosh practicing his handballing at training

 

[Coasters7]

It doesn't say anything about keeping the ball still, just that it has to be held in one hand and hit with the other fist.

Every club should be teaching this method of handballing as it's faster and more accurate. Should be a skill as highly practised as kicking on the opposite foot.

The overhead ones specifically though. There’s a lot more arm swinging going on there than punching the ball with a fist. The same with the diving shovels that are using momentum from elsewhere rather than from the punching hand. It’s not necessarily that the ball has to be still, but I’d prefer it if the punching of the ball was clear and obvious rather than just having it near the ball as a token effort to deceive the umpire.

 

[Coops93]

Players basically throw the ball now but just at the point of release nick it with the fist. Gerard Healy has pointed it out a few times on OTC, when they should be doing a left handed handball they just propel the ball with the left hand and the right hand just nicks it.

It's not physically possible to handball it in that direction holding the ball that way, but as is being umpired at the moment so long as the ball so much as touches a fist it's ok.


Some teams may be worse than others but no team is innocent, they all do it.

 

[Mr Ripper]

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Supposed to be propelled with a clenched fist. Not using different forms of momentum and having the fist there as a token effort.

If they aren’t going to pay them we’d be better off doing away with the confusion and just legalising scoops and throws, which I’m sure 95% of supporters would be against. So start paying them, even if that means a few 40+ free kick games early on (that’s the price we have to pay for letting it slip this far).. the players will learn and adapt fairly quickly and realise they can no longer get away with it.

Historical aside: handball law clarification from the 1978 edition of Bernie Hogan’s “Follow the Game”.

 

[Contador]

Pretty funny that AFL fans are so accustomed to the lack of skill in the sport (as opposed to a truly skilful sport like soccer), that they want to outlaw one of the most skilful acts in the game. Libba's handballing in particular is brilliant to watch and one of the few things in the game that approaches the level of skill you see in many other sports.

 

[deck]

Libba and his “quick hands”. I don’t think I’ve seen a disposal of his that wasn’t a shovel with his fist close to the ball or a flick over his head.

The overhead stuff irks me the most. It opens up the game so much because no one is expecting to have to cover for it.. but it’s not a legitimate disposal if you’re propelling both your arms in a swinging motion over your head. If you punch it from above your head I think that’s fair enough (and also extremely obvious to pick up) anything else should be deemed a throw.

Anything that went over the head use to be deemed a throw. You had to hold the ball above your head and handball with a clenched fist.

Umpire on SEN the other week said a clenched fist is no longer required only a hand. Half the handballs now aren't even propelled by the hitting fist or palm but by the swinging arm holding the ball.

 

[Coasters7]

Players basically throw the ball now but just at the point of release nick it with the fist. Gerard Healy has pointed it out a few times on OTC, when they should be doing a left handed handball they just propel the ball with the left hand and the right hand just nicks it.

It's not physically possible to handball it in that direction holding the ball that way, but as is being umpired at the moment so long as the ball so much as touches a fist it's ok.


Some teams may be worse than others but no team is innocent, they all do it.

All teams do it to a point but it’s the ones that have literal gameplans built around moving the ball quickly “by hand” and abusing the system. 4 of the last 5 flags have been won by one of these teams.

 

[Crashy]

AFL won't do anything about it as it "moves the game along"

 

[deck]

It has gotten so bad that now the commentators have just adopted it as part of the game and even have the phrase "flicked out"
"nice flick out by .........."
"???????? flicks it out to ??????? running past"
"Flicked out from the bottom of the pack by .........."

It has gotten beyond a joke and when 10+ have blatantly been let go then 1 get's randomly paid it is all the worse.
If a team has 40+ free kicks against for throwing, so be it. Maybe they will learn to LEGALLY dispose of the ball.

Like the 15 metre rule. They let little 5-10 metres go all day then randomly pull up a borderline one.

 

[Underarm]

The overhead ones specifically though. There’s a lot more arm swinging going on there than punching the ball with a fist. The same with the diving shovels that are using momentum from elsewhere rather than from the punching hand. It’s not necessarily that the ball has to be still, but I’d prefer it if the punching of the ball was clear and obvious rather than just having it near the ball as a token effort to deceive the umpire.

Having umpires try to determine what it clear and obvious is adding a level of granularity to their job it would just be impossible.

This is a perception issue from the fans who don't like that this is considered a legal handball, but it is and people need to understand it and move on.

 

[gazzathegreat]

if i could be arsed id download a copy of last nights game and upload all the times players last night threw the ball and got away with it.

The only way to stop it is by having more umpires on the field, because an ump standing 30m away with other players obscuring his/her vision makes it very difficult to pick up in real time. But no-one wants more umpires on the field so not sure what the answer is.

 

[Gizza]

The handball is dying. I wouldn't be surprised if within 20 years it's officially gone. So many "handballs" these days are clearly propelled with the cradling hand with the fist merely there to make it a "handball", if even that.

 

[Coasters7]

Having umpires try to determine what it clear and obvious is adding a level of granularity to their job it would just be impossible.

This is a perception issue from the fans who don't like that this is considered a legal handball, but it is and people need to understand it and move on.

That raises the other issue that others have brought up already though. They’ll ping a random one after letting 10 worse ones go and everyone has no idea what’s going on.

Like I said before, if it’s going to be an accepted part of the game then officially legalise it rather than this weird half and half state we’re in right now. I just think that is a very slippery slope because the handball is one of the things that defines this sport and we’ll end up evolving into some strange form of rugby.

 

[Belnakor]

How can you not have the Bulldogs on this list?

i don't watch many bulldogs games but i thought people were pulling the piss about it (due to the dogs being top of the ladder) until Freo played against them. The amount of blatant throws over the head, wow.

 

[Belnakor]

That raises the other issue that others have brought up already though. They’ll ping a random one after letting 10 worse ones go and everyone has no idea what’s going on.

i don't think i've seen a single "throw" called when the player got some semblence of a fist to the ball in this entire season - regardless of how much the other hand was moving.

 

[frggr]

OP, don't you know they had to travel from Perth, to Sydney, then back to Perth? They were obviously too tired to dispose of the ball properly

 

[Coops93]

Part of the problem imo is sometimes umpires are blindsided, particularly if the play is on the other side of a pack. Seeing through bodies to work out if the guy being tackled did get a fist to it or not is pretty hard. The umpires don't have the eagle eyed broadcast shot to identify whether or not a fist got to the ball or they threw it.

Would an extra umpire help alleviate this? Having one both sides of the contest would lead to fewer blind spots.

 

[CrowInFiji]

As soon as they took the propulsion of the other hand away it led to this.

But they won't bring it back becauze the so called superstars love flicking it over their head or doing those both-arms-pinned-disposal-somehows to change it back. Gets the ball going at the end of the day

 

[Maddo11]

OP, don't you know they had to travel from Perth, to Sydney, then back to Perth? They were obviously too tired to dispose of the ball properly

Couldn't believe that in the last quarter the coms were using this as a reason why they might be tiring. Like WCE and Freo don't do that travel every other week.

(Vicbias lol)

 

[tiger_tough]

Lol at having tigers #1 but no dogs or Geelong.

The Tigers have a few specialists at the over the head 'handball' that really isn't a handball. Or wasn't for a 100 years anyway. Edwards is the best at it. The umps never call it so you can't blame him.

Thats rubbish. Edwards is the best handball in the league. Nothing wrong with an overhead handball thats done properly.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Yeeeeah I think it’s just a byproduct of a poorly policed holding the ball rule. The old ‘illegal disposal’ is rarely paid unless utterly obvious - and ‘legitimate attempts to dispose’ are generally accepted as legal, mostly I assume to keep the game moving.

Teams that move the ball quickly and often (like the Dogs) and teams that challenge tacklers more often (like Richmond) are probably more prone to it than others.