Simon Hogan

[Die Hard Hoops Fan]

I've been keeping a close eye on Simon Hogan over his limited opportunities this year. After he made some good progress last season as probably the 23rd – 24th picked player, taking into account Big Mummy when he was running around in the hoops and playing the qualifying final against the dogs in 09, therefore with the inevitable onset of week in/week out injuries to an ageing list such as Geelong’s I was expecting him to have a big year this year. This has not been the case.
I am not one to drag down a player just for the sake of it, but I can see a lot of similarities between Hogan and the now departed Kane Tenace. That is, the player has hit a peak very early, shows no great improvement and has deplorable skills.
Watching him run around on the weekend against Wet Toast and continually turn the ball over by hand and foot and miss targets frustrated me greatly. And this was not the first time. He is a good honest battler but is simply not up to AFL standard in my opinion.
With GC17 coming in perhaps it would be a good opportunity to trade him for a decent pick, he could be shopped about as a ready-made player with finals experience and pace.

Thoughts?

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Here it comes , another Hogan bagging post.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

I've been keeping a close eye on Simon Hogan over his limited opportunities this year. After he made some good progress last season as probably the 23rd – 24th picked player, taking into account Big Mummy when he was running around in the hoops and playing the qualifying final against the dogs in 09, therefore with the inevitable onset of week in/week out injuries to an ageing list such as Geelong’s I was expecting him to have a big year this year. This has not been the case.
I am not one to drag down a player just for the sake of it, but I can see a lot of similarities between Hogan and the now departed Kane Tenace. That is, the player has hit a peak very early, shows no great improvement and has deplorable skills.
Watching him run around on the weekend against Wet Toast and continually turn the ball over by hand and foot and miss targets frustrated me greatly. And this was not the first time. He is a good honest battler but is simply not up to AFL standard in my opinion.
With GC17 coming in perhaps it would be a good opportunity to trade him for a decent pick, he could be shopped about as a ready-made player with finals experience and pace.

Thoughts?

I was with you up until there.

If you think Hogan's anywhere near Tenace in terms of crapness, then you have forgotten how bad helicopter punt truly was. Hogan has had a disappointing year relative to his great year last year but he's nowhere near finished.

And as for trading, fringe players like him will not command a high enough pick to be worth trading. For next year, we get the best value out of Hogan by keeping him here.

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Can't see Hogan making it really. He has a few others now to compete with - Menzel, Taylor Hunt and Mitch Duncan.

My guess is that one of these 3 three will definitely be in the side next year ahead of Hogan.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Considering how much time Tenace, playfair and gardiner were given to sink or swim, hogan has another 30-ish games to get into the groove.

 

[hamG]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Classic BF post. Deplorable skills, rubbish disposal, Kane Tenace-esq and then always present ridiculous over valuation for trade week.

 

[Die Hard Hoops Fan]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

I was with you up until there.

If you think Hogan's anywhere near Tenace in terms of crapness, then you have forgotten how bad helicopter punt truly was. Hogan has had a disappointing year relative to his great year last year but he's nowhere near finished.

And as for trading, fringe players like him will not command a high enough pick to be worth trading. For next year, we get the best value out of Hogan by keeping him here.

Sure aestetically speaking he is no Tenace, but in terms of effectiveness he is on a par, runs around quickly but has no skills. A well spun drop punt that misses a target and a helicopter that misses a target are one and the same.

I'm not having a go unfairly as many do with other players I just think he is not up to AFL standard, couple that with the fact that Duncan, Menzel, T Hunt and Laidler have all gone past him with less opportunities and I think it's time to move him on.

 

[Die Hard Hoops Fan]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

No over valuation at all, I just believe a draft pick would be better value than him clogging the list, I don't see much improvement in Hogan that's all

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

No over valuation at all, I just believe a draft pick would be better value than him clogging the list, I don't see much improvement in Hogan that's all

I agree but there are other that will go before him. Just like Kane , he will get more time to show that he is not up to it because he has mobility.

 

[isen river]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

While I can't see him improving our AFL Squad next year, he is still a valuable player to have around the VFL, he's been doing quite well there, so I've read, think he got 40+ possessions on an occasion. He reminds me of Andrew Carrazzo a bit, in that he can find the ball but disposing of it is not his strong point. Regardless trading him is pointless as others have said, with Djerrkura looking like he's leaving I don't think we can avoid to weaken our young VFL side.

 

[True Blue Cat]

In his first few games i liked him and thought he would be a player to watch. Now though he seems to be a bit lazy. He did rather well in the speed and endurance tests at draft camp i believe and the summer before last i believe it was said he passed Ling as the best endurance runner at Geelong so he should have a bit tank.

Then you see him play and he almost appears to be just jogging behind an opposing player when they have the ball. Instead of using his apparent speed and taking them down.


Maybe in all it is just a confidence thing. I still think he has what it takes to make it as an AFL footballer.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Sure aestetically speaking he is no Tenace, but in terms of effectiveness he is on a par, runs around quickly but has no skills. A well spun drop punt that misses a target and a helicopter that misses a target are one and the same.

I'm not having a go unfairly as many do with other players I just think he is not up to AFL standard, couple that with the fact that Duncan, Menzel, T Hunt and Laidler have all gone past him with less opportunities and I think it's time to move him on.

I think you're confusing the two points.

Hogan may or may not be up to AFL standard, we'll find out for sure in another year or two.

But even if he proves not to be (up to AFL standard) he's still nowhere near as bad as Tenace was and anyone who actually bothers to watch our games objectively would know that.

Which is why I correctly said clearly the OP has forgotten how bad helicopter was.

Bad call.

 

[Die Hard Hoops Fan]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

Gorn

 

[hbk_aus]

Over the next couple of years I reckon his only chance of regular footy as to become our run-with player, learning from Ling and then taking over. He has the endurance, his body is getting stronger - whether he has the mental strength is yet to be seen.

 

[Exhale You]

Over the next couple of years I reckon his only chance of regular footy as to become our run-with player, learning from Ling and then taking over.

I wouldn't say it's his only chance, but it's certainly his best chance.

People tend to forget that when drafted late in the 2006 draft, Simon was an extremely skinny athlete learning to play football.

He was very much a speculative, long-term prospect and whilst it's yet to be seen whether he'll make it, he's done okay given the quality of our midfield in each of the four years he's been at the club.

2011 is obviously make or break for him and given the state of our list i'm sure he'll get every opportunity to prove himself.

 

[rocker_oz33]

agree with above,l cant see the cats making to my list changes with nathan dj'er wanting to leave and also if gazz stays someone else will have to go.but hogan is getting his chance's he will need to step up next year to be in the mix with the other young dudes coming though.

 

[Rustin' Man]

While I agree to some extent that Simon hasn't exhibited an improvement over 2009 and his skills have let him down this year, don't forget he had a delayed start to the season with a back problem. This may have had an effect on his overall performance. Still he has to hit the targets when they're there and listen to direction from senior players, which he often doesn't do. Hopefully next year he can have a good pre-season and see how he goes from there.

 

[AM]

I've been keeping a close eye on Simon Hogan over his limited opportunities this year. After he made some good progress last season as probably the 23rd – 24th picked player, taking into account Big Mummy when he was running around in the hoops and playing the qualifying final against the dogs in 09, therefore with the inevitable onset of week in/week out injuries to an ageing list such as Geelong’s I was expecting him to have a big year this year. This has not been the case.
I am not one to drag down a player just for the sake of it, but I can see a lot of similarities between Hogan and the now departed Kane Tenace. That is, the player has hit a peak very early, shows no great improvement and has deplorable skills.
Watching him run around on the weekend against Wet Toast and continually turn the ball over by hand and foot and miss targets frustrated me greatly. And this was not the first time. He is a good honest battler but is simply not up to AFL standard in my opinion.
With GC17 coming in perhaps it would be a good opportunity to trade him for a decent pick, he could be shopped about as a ready-made player with finals experience and pace.

Thoughts?

Geez DHHF, are you trying to give 'empy' a conniption!!!!!!?

 

[catempire]

He's no Nathan Djerrkura I spose...

 

[Partridge]

Re: Simon Hogan.....

I was with you up until there.

If you think Hogan's anywhere near Tenace in terms of crapness, then you have forgotten how bad helicopter punt truly was. Hogan has had a disappointing year relative to his great year last year but he's nowhere near finished.

And as for trading, fringe players like him will not command a high enough pick to be worth trading. For next year, we get the best value out of Hogan by keeping him here.

That's more like it. I don't think he's worth a spot in the side at the moment, his disposal lets him down and he probably still needs to get a little stronger. But I wouldn't write him off just yet. He's got good speed and he's prepared to dive in a get the ball. Not a lost cause yet.

Put in a hard pre-season, get fitter and work on his disposal. We'll see how he goes.

 

[jim boy]

He had virtually no preseason and has been behind the 8-ball all season. His skills are far better than blackjack and he kicked some beuaties from outside 50 last year, plus he is a hard worker. Give him another year with a full preseason and you will see a marked difference

 

[OldStyle2007]

Anyone remember his clutch goal from outside 50 against Hawthorn?

Anyone?

Hello?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Anyone remember his clutch goal from outside 50 against Hawthorn?

Anyone?

Hello?

Yes, people forget quickly don't they.

 

[And_ROOS]

I stopped reading this post at "I've" but i wish to remind you that the helicopter punt was a weapon, noone could read the flight of the ball. If Tenace could launch those to the top of the goal square from 50m out we would be a 20 goal better team then we are now

 

[Die Hard Hoops Fan]

Yes, people forget quickly don't they.

Yeah, you're right, one clutch goal against the hawks should make us all forget about every other mistake and turnover. Since you put it that way the club really owes him if anything.

How many clutch goals was it again?