Simonds Stadium advantage hides Geelong's issues

[Occidental]

It will be a moot point. Geelong are on the skids - the issue of where their finals will be played won't need to be asked.

 

[Cats Eye]

Well the sooking wont be from the group that is content with the status quo.

Instead it goes to the fanbase that recognises that their team can't beat any decent teams without home ground advantage. It is good that you acknowledge your standards have slipped far enough that a premiership is no longer an option. Thus the sooking.

You didn't answer the question at all.

 

[telsor]

Yep, we are not a strong team. It's the calibre of the team that is the issue.
If you don't like teams having home ground advantage we are happy to play our next final against you at a neutral ground-say Etihad?

Why should 45,000 people be denied a chance to see the game? Not to mention the AFL making a lot less money (Money that gets spent ont hings like your new stands...).

I suppose if no Geelong fans were allowed in, and GFC was willing to pay the millions of dollars lost, the AFL might consider it.

 

[telsor]

You didn't answer the question at all.

Because you're part of a league, and sometimes you have to do things for the benefit of the league.

It's not like your the only club that is forced to play 'home' games at other grounds after all. You're just the loudest sooks.

 

[Cats Eye]

Why should 45,000 people be denied a chance to see the game? Not to mention the AFL making a lot less money (Money that gets spent ont hings like your new stands...).

I suppose if no Geelong fans were allowed in, and GFC was willing to pay the millions of dollars lost, the AFL might consider it.

So you think money is more important than a fair competition?
Also by your reckoning every game should be played at the mcg, including interstate games.

 

[Cats Eye]

Because you're part of a league, and sometimes you have to do things for the benefit of the league.

It's not like your the only club that is forced to play 'home' games at other grounds after all. You're just the loudest sooks.

Lol, that is the best you've got?

 

[Cats Eye]

Lol, a lot of sooking in this thread, all related to geelongs home ground. Can you imagine the amount of crying that would happen if geelong got the same amount of home games at their rightful home ground that every other team in the competition gets.
As far as home finals goes, the excuse of capacity and money for the Afl is farcical and shows exactly what is wrong with the competition. It has been that one sided for so long that a fair/even competition makes some people think the opposite. It is truly astounding and really shows how daft some people are.

quoted for accuracy. Lmao.

 

[JackFlash]

Why wasn't the playing area redeveloped at Simonds Stadium? I'm afraid the venue has reached its use by date, Geelong must consider a Melbourne home base. The AFL are not going to support the ground as a finals venue, the players admitted today that the MCG made them alter their game plan, Simonds stadium must be re-considered as an AFL venue. Geelong won the right for a home final and they end up playing a team on their home ground, disadvantaging their own fans by playing on a Friday night. the whole game was set up for Tigers fans. (Should've been Saturday afternoon at 2.10pm) Now, they play the Swans again on a Friday night and again not at home. Simonds Stadium is redundant before its even completed. I know this will not be popular with my fellow Cats fans, but the competition has changed so much in six years since 2011. A few weeks ago i was an advocate for a minimum 9 games at home, now they shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 IMO. Cats need a Melbourne home base, this is Gil's doing! Geelong were not a 2nd placed team this year. In reality they are probably not much better than the Demons or Saints. I shudder to think what the Swans will do to them this week.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

The Bulldogs had to play Adelaide at the G in 2015 instead of our home ground Etihad. It happens because AFL is the entertainment business. It happens to all teams, not just Geelong.

 

[Cats Eye]

The Bulldogs had to play Adelaide at the G in 2015 instead of our home ground Etihad. It happens because AFL is the entertainment business. It happens to all teams, not just Geelong.

So you only get 8 games at Etihad a year?

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

So you only get 8 games at Etihad a year?

We sell one to cairns and will have two games each year at Ballarat with the remainder at Etihad, although I prefer the G.

 

[Deep]

So?

It's still a fraction the size of the ground on which all Victorian finals get played on (unless there are unusual circumstances like 4 on 1 weekend).

Face it, the sookfest is just an attempt to arrest the decline of Geelong who are becoming ordinary.

You'd crack the shits if you were forced to move your home final from the MCG to KP. With Geelong as the 'away' team. Tell me any different and you're a liar.

Luckily for you that will never happen.

 

[Deep]

The Bulldogs had to play Adelaide at the G in 2015 instead of our home ground Etihad. It happens because AFL is the entertainment business. It happens to all teams, not just Geelong.

Difference is you're a Melbourne club. We are from Geelong 90 minutes down the road.

On top of that Adelaide travelled interstate but if you had Richmond, Collingwood, Melbourne or Hawthorn for example you guys would be much more bitter. Especially if you lost.

 

[Blue1980]

Why wasn't the playing area redeveloped at Simonds Stadium? I'm afraid the venue has reached its use by date, Geelong must consider a Melbourne home base. The AFL are not going to support the ground as a finals venue, the players admitted today that the MCG made them alter their game plan, Simonds stadium must be re-considered as an AFL venue. Geelong won the right for a home final and they end up playing a team on their home ground, disadvantaging their own fans by playing on a Friday night. the whole game was set up for Tigers fans. (Should've been Saturday afternoon at 2.10pm) Now, they play the Swans again on a Friday night and again not at home. Simonds Stadium is redundant before its even completed. I know this will not be popular with my fellow Cats fans, but the competition has changed so much in six years since 2011. A few weeks ago i was an advocate for a minimum 9 games at home, now they shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 IMO. Cats need a Melbourne home base, this is Gil's doing! Geelong were not a 2nd placed team this year. In reality they are probably not much better than the Demons or Saints. I shudder to think what the Swans will do to them this week.

I disagree. I think it's just the fact the current Geelong side isn't that good. They turn it on a bit at home, but they haven't had this kind of discrepancy in any other year, just the way things go sometimes.

 

[Blue1980]

Lol, a lot of sooking in this thread, all related to geelongs home ground. Can you imagine the amount of crying that would happen if geelong got the same amount of home games at their rightful home ground that every other team in the competition gets.
As far as home finals goes, the excuse of capacity and money for the Afl is farcical and shows exactly what is wrong with the competition. It has been that one sided for so long that a fair/even competition makes some people think the opposite. It is truly astounding and really shows how daft some people are.

They can have 11 home games in the home and away season down there, that's fine. Especially when the capacity will be around 50k eventually.

I find it odd how they suddenly want all their finals there now, wasn't even thought of until 2013 v freo, now they have the taste suddenly every final against anyone down there.

 

[shniko11]

Victorian teams play finals at the G and it's that simple.
Bulldogs,North played finals at the G aswell in the last few years and we wern't complaining the game wasn't at Etihad. North play 1 game a year at the G in home and away.

Geelong just isn't that good and were outplayed by the better side. Great teams play good anywhere like the Swans do.

 

[sprockets]

Talking about unfair advantages, this year Richmond has played at the MCG 6 more times than Geelong. Geelong has played Kardina Park 6 more times than Richmond.

Nice piece of spin. Geelong played 5 H&A games at the MCG, Richmond played just one at SS.

Including the qualifying final, Geelong has now played 6 games at the MCG so will have a great advantage next week over Sydney. Let's see if the whinging continues during this week how disadvantaged they are playing that game at the MCG.

 

[09 Cats]

But Geelong's record is not inferior.

Against top 8 teams only and including finals (2015-2017):

Geelong: 16 wins, 15 losses, 1 draw
Sydney: 17 wins, 17 losses
Hawthorn: 18 wins, 16 losses, 1 draw

Can you please give us the Crows H/A stats?

 

[SplintWhisky]

Difference is you're a Melbourne club. We are from Geelong 90 minutes down the road.

On top of that Adelaide travelled interstate but if you had Richmond, Collingwood, Melbourne or Hawthorn for example you guys would be much more bitter. Especially if you lost.

90 minutes to Geelong from Melbourne? The accelerator is the far right pedal mate.

It isnt that big of a distance. I do more every weekday to work.

 

[Conan Troutman]

Nice piece of spin. Geelong played 5 H&A games at the MCG, Richmond played just one at SS.

Okay, so what is the magic number of games then, where its enough to not be disadvantaged? Considering that you seem to be suggesting it's irrelevant how many more the opponent has played.

So if Geelong played 1x MCG vs Richmonds 11x, that is a disadvantage (a la Richmond at Kardinia with 1x versus Geelong 7x)
But Geelong 5x MCG versus Richmonds 11x is no disadvantage.

Which number between 1 and 5 crosses the line to becoming not a disadvantage?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Well done, excellent analysis. Naturally they want the biggest advantage they can get but it's an unfair advantage in that their home ground is built to disadvantage visiting teams.

So Geelong built Kardinia Park to those dimensions over a century ago to try and get an unfair advantage in 2017?

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

So in another thread I argued that Geelong should have received the home final they earned v Richmond, played at the MCG. That said, I actually agree with OP here and think some of the argument with it are still being wrongly directed at issue A, where Friday night's game should have been.

The difference between a good Eagles side, a great Eagles side and a poor Eagles side (with an assist from the 'fixture').....over the years we've had some ok Eagles teams make the finals because they're good enough to beat the bottom teams and win most of their home games except against the top 4-5. If we're coming off an average year and only playing the top few teams once each, that gives an excellent chance to bank 8-10 wins at home and if we're lucky another 2-4 against genuinely lowly teams away. We finish between 6th and 8th when in reality we are nowhere near the top four or five teams and we get bundled out in the first or second week.

The top Eagles teams could win anywhere. Their chances still decreased playing away from home, but who can forget the 2006 comeback win in Geelong against a Geelong side that was making finals and one year away from their premiership?

I think it's entirely reasonable to simply acknowledge this Geelong team isn't as good as the Geelong teams that we're winning everywhere. They may even still win the flag, but they're going to need everything to go right for the next three weeks and catch some teams better than them on a bad day. At Simonds this year they dispatched finals teams Port, Adelaide, Richmond and GWS, losing only to Sydney. But away from Simonds they lost the reverse to Adelaide, lost the final to Richmond, lost to West Coast, drew with GWS and only beat Fremantle, North, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Saints, Brisbane, Carlton and Collingwood. That's basically the bottom 8 minus Gold Coast. So they beat the teams anywhere who were outside finals and deserved to make the finals, but second? On that form line it probably does mask that this side is somewhere between the 5th and 8th best side in the league.

 

[romeohwho]

Why should 45,000 people be denied a chance to see the game? Not to mention the AFL making a lot less money (Money that gets spent ont hings like your new stands...).

I suppose if no Geelong fans were allowed in, and GFC was willing to pay the millions of dollars lost, the AFL might consider it.

Yep of course it has to be played at the G but it does advantages little bit, the teams who have it as their home ground and play there regularly. And I accept that is how it is. Love to play at the G. But others also have to accept Geelong playing at the home ground during the season is reasonable and give the sooking about it a rest. Swings and roundabouts that's' all.

 

[Kwality]

Yep of course it has to be played at the G but it does advantages little bit, the teams who have it as their home ground and play there regularly. And I accept that is how it is. Love to play at the G. But others also have to accept Geelong playing at the home ground during the season is reasonable and give the sooking about it a rest. Swings and roundabouts that's' all.

... well put, then there is whether the opposition is travelling.

 

[dmc333]

And I thought I read some nonsense in the Herald Sun.