Opinion Sinclair or Lycett

[Bleedblueandgold]

We'd be lucky to get a third rounder for him IMO


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His value would probably go down a bit simply because he's on the rookie list.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Lycett needs his chance. Hopefully he can push Cox aside and get the rest of the season to find his feet again.

 

[Eagle87]

Lycett needs his chance. Hopefully he can push Cox aside and get the rest of the season to find his feet again.

Well he can't push Cox aside. The coaches have to do it.

Lycett seems to be doing everything in his power to assist their decision ....

As is Cox ...


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[Mighty Eagles]

Sinclair: 21 disposals - 17 hit outs - 2 I50s - 6 goals
Lycett: 17 disposals - 14 hit outs - 5 I50s - 2 goals

 

[Monocle]

Sinclair: 21 disposals - 17 hit outs - 2 I50s - 6 goals
Lycett: 17 disposals - 14 hit outs - 5 I50s - 2 goals

Mighty Eagles any chance of posting the last months work as I suspect that over the journey Lycett eclipses Sinkers.
Sinkers is good cover but Lycett is, for me, the better player by some.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Sinkers is good cover but Lycett is, for me, the better player by some.

I agree, Lycett got bagged from pillar to post after just his third AFL match against Essendon in 2012, and as I said then it takes a minimum four years for ruckmen to develop, and obviously in some cases it takes more.

I think Lycett will be the better player between the two, but I think Sinclair is better option at the present - not saying we should play Sinclair over Lycett, but I think Sinclair's form is better thats all.

 

[garlic munchers]

I agree, Lycett got bagged from pillar to post after just his third AFL match against Essendon in 2012, and as I said then it takes a minimum four years for ruckmen to develop, and obviously in some cases it takes more.

I think Lycett will be the better player between the two, but I think Sinclair is better option at the present - not saying we should play Sinclair over Lycett, but I think Sinclair's form is better thats all.

Gather you have seen more of the two playing at east perth and are probably better placed then me to make a judgement, but I am mystified why so many posters on Lycett refer to matches in previous years when talking about Lycett (I.e. bagged in 2012 etc).

More relevant to talk about his very ordinary 2014 stats of 3 games for an average of 4 disposals, 8 hit outs and 0.3 goals and it's fair to say the Adelaide teams won't be throwing the kitchen sink at Lycett. Not saying he isn't a prospect but it is increasing apparent many overrate him on BF and if he shown enough in his 3 games they wouldn't have brought in nic nat before he was ready.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Gather you have seen more of the two playing at east perth and are probably better placed then me to make a judgement, but I am mystified why so many posters on Lycett refer to matches in previous years when talking about Lycett (I.e. bagged in 2012 etc).

More relevant to talk about his very ordinary 2014 stats of 3 games for an average of 4 disposals, 8 hit outs and 0.3 goals and it's fair to say the Adelaide teams won't be throwing the kitchen sink at Lycett. Not saying he isn't a prospect but it is increasing apparent many overrate him on BF and if he shown enough in his 3 games they wouldn't have brought in nic nat before he was ready.

Okay I get where you're coming from.

However ruckman take longer to develop, When Gardiner, Sandilands and Cox all started I remember how shit they were. And I mean shit.

Lycett is two years younger than Sinclair, and the maturity in Sinkers is noticeable.

I still think Lycett will be a better player, but am happy to stand corrected, especially if Sinclair does it in blue & gold

 

[kane249]

Gather you have seen more of the two playing at east perth and are probably better placed then me to make a judgement, but I am mystified why so many posters on Lycett refer to matches in previous years when talking about Lycett (I.e. bagged in 2012 etc).

More relevant to talk about his very ordinary 2014 stats of 3 games for an average of 4 disposals, 8 hit outs and 0.3 goals and it's fair to say the Adelaide teams won't be throwing the kitchen sink at Lycett. Not saying he isn't a prospect but it is increasing apparent many overrate him on BF and if he shown enough in his 3 games they wouldn't have brought in nic nat before he was ready.

Relevant as he played as a third ruck? His 2013 stats when he deputised for Cox when Naitanui was out are more relevant
12.2 Disposals
4.2 Marks
0.3 Goals
12 Hit outs
Good stats for a second ruck

 

[kane249]

Mighty Eagles any chance of posting the last months work as I suspect that over the journey Lycett eclipses Sinkers.
Sinkers is good cover but Lycett is, for me, the better player by some.

East Perth had a bye, and there was a state game in there as well so it's harder to do a comparison

Sinclair
Round 8: 16 Disposals, 7 Marks, 1 Goal, 8 Hit outs
Round 9: Bye
Round 10: 20 Disposals 5 Marks, 0 Goals, 20 Hit outs
Round 11: 21 Disposals, 13 Marks, 6 Goals, 17 Hit outs

Lycett
Round 8: Eagles emergency
Round 9: Bye
Round 10: 22 Disposals, 5 Marks, 3 Goals, 23 Hit outs
Round 11: 17 Disposals, 6 Marks, 2 Goals, 14 Hit outs

 

[Monocle]

East Perth had a bye, and there was a state game in there as well so it's harder to do a comparison

Sinclair
Round 8: 16 Disposals, 7 Marks, 1 Goal, 8 Hit outs
Round 9: Bye
Round 10: 20 Disposals 5 Marks, 0 Goals, 20 Hit outs
Round 11: 21 Disposals, 13 Marks, 6 Goals, 17 Hit outs

Lycett
Round 8: Eagles emergency
Round 9: Bye
Round 10: 22 Disposals, 5 Marks, 3 Goals, 23 Hit outs
Round 11: 17 Disposals, 6 Marks, 2 Goals, 14 Hit outs

 

[Monocle]

Thanks kane249
interesting reading.

 

[tesseract]

I wouldn't be against trading Sinclair and WC's 3rd for a 2nd round selection in the back end of the 20's. It'd be roughly a 15-20 pick upgrade for WC, while the other party gets a ready-made ruckman-cum-forward and a pick in the mid 40's. Such would give WC a live 2nd round pick, given the likelihood that Waterman will be selected with WC's 2nd round pick.

 

[Patron]

I wouldn't be against trading Sinclair and WC's 3rd for a 2nd round selection in the back end of the 20's. It'd be roughly a 15-20 pick upgrade for WC, while the other party gets a ready-made ruckman-cum-forward and a pick in the mid 40's. Such would give WC a live 2nd round pick, given the likelihood that Waterman will be selected with WC's 2nd round pick.

I wouldn't want to reduce our number of picks/listable players especially picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds. We have so many list spots that should be turned over and not enough picks. If we could avoid it that is.

 

[tesseract]

I wouldn't want to reduce our number of picks/listable players especially picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds. We have so many list spots that should be turned over and not enough picks. If we could avoid it that is.

If WC don't upgrade in this way, or any other number of ways, most of their picks will be post #40. With Waterman taking up WC's 2nd round selection means they'll only get one live pick in the top 40. That's not ideal. The pick upgrade I mentioned means WC will get a crack at a live pick in the 2nd round. That's quite a useful pick, given the talent on offer in this draft. WC need quality picks to have the opportunity of picking from amongst the best talents on offer rather than picking from the leftovers in the mid-late section of the draft.

 

[Patron]

If WC don't upgrade in this way, or any other number of ways, most of their picks will be post #40. With Waterman taking up WC's 2nd round selection means they'll only get one live pick in the top 40. That's not ideal. The pick upgrade I mentioned means WC will get a crack at a live pick in the 2nd round. That's quite a useful pick, given the talent on offer in this draft. WC need quality picks to have the opportunity of picking from amongst the best talents on offer rather than picking from the leftovers in the mid-late section of the draft.

I don't disagree at all I would love to have a live pick in the second round and think it would be super useful, I just don't know how we are going to find the picks to rollover our list, especially if we start swapping 2 decent assets for 1 better asset.

At the end of this year we could/should be looking at moving on:
Glass, Cox, Mginnity, Wilson, butler, waters, brennan, smith. That's 8 and there are still others who could be on the chopping block. With only Sinclair in line for an upgrade we could be looking at up to 7 picks required otherwise we will be keeping people on a list who don't deserve to be.

 

[tesseract]

I don't disagree at all I would love to have a live pick in the second round and think it would be super useful, I just don't know how we are going to find the picks to rollover our list, especially if we start swapping 2 decent assets for 1 better asset.

At the end of this year we could/should be looking at moving on:
Glass, Cox, Mginnity, Wilson, butler, waters, brennan, smith. That's 8 and there are still others who could be on the chopping block. With only Sinclair in line for an upgrade we could be looking at up to 7 picks required otherwise we will be keeping people on a list who don't deserve to be.

Could Possibly go a little lighter on the delistings this year due to the possible upgrading of Newman and Maginness next year. Retire Cox and Glass and a few spuds this year, but do a major cull next year when a couple of late picks can be used to upgrade rookies.

 

[Patron]

Could Possibly go a little lighter on the delistings this year due to the possible upgrading of Newman and Maginness next year. Retire Cox and Glass and a few spuds this year, but do a major cull next year when a couple of late picks can be used to upgrade rookies.

Probably our only option. We will need to take 5 in the draft both years i imiagine.

 

[Eagles 4 Mine]

I would trade him for a second rounder, he's wasted on our list. So he's probably a third.

You're kidding yourself , how many good big men around ready to play like him ???????? We must keep Sinclair ggrrrr

 

[MWPP]

Little difference in terms of output alone , but considering the bigger picture , Lycett because I'd be more upset about losing him than Sinclair given he is younger and cost us more in the first place (so more chance of being ripped off ), and based on respective ages has more potential /upside.

 

[Tracker 101]

I wouldn't be against trading Sinclair and WC's 3rd for a 2nd round selection in the back end of the 20's. It'd be roughly a 15-20 pick upgrade for WC, while the other party gets a ready-made ruckman-cum-forward and a pick in the mid 40's. Such would give WC a live 2nd round pick, given the likelihood that Waterman will be selected with WC's 2nd round pick.

Makes sense . Melbourne a good target club.

 

[kane249]

Makes sense . Melbourne a good target club.

Richmond another trade target given Hampson/Vickery/Griffiths aren't great backups to Maric

 

[Heppellicious]

Essendon is keen on Sinclair and the Eagles have had an interest in Colyer over the last two trade periods.

 

[kane249]

Colyer? Oh dear god no

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Colyer? Oh dear god no

fits our stereotype of a player. West Aussie, PSA boy who is an average player. Yeh he has leg speed but neh.