SL a law unto themselves...

[manmountain]

Another case of spineless ICC administrators too p***weak to pull a sub-continent player into line and make him abide by the same rules as the rest of the world.

Glenn McGrath, bowling to the Poms, traps a bloke in front LBW. It was so obviously out that McGrath didn't turn to the umpire for confirmation, just charged down the pitch celebrating. The ICC announces that they will be coming down hard on any player who fails to show the umpires respect by not turning around for confirmation (and fair enough too, it is common courtesy).

Last night, Muralitharan had an appeal against Hayden for caught at bat pad (which was given out even though Hayden clearly didn't hit the ball). Murali runs down the pitch screaming and celebrating without even turning to the umpire.

Not one f***ing word from the ICC.

Spineless!

 

[Zombie]

Pretty stupid argument if you ask me, LBW's and catches are completely different situations, how often do you see bowlers turn around and appeal to the umpire after the batsmen has nicked the ball for a regulation slips catch?

Finished with the Lee and Bevan bagging now and moving on to Sri Lankan and ICC bagging are we now MM?

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by Zombie
Pretty stupid argument if you ask me, LBW's and catches are completely different situations, how often do you see bowlers turn around and appeal to the umpire after the batsmen has nicked the ball for a regulation slips catch?

Finished with the Lee and Bevan bagging now and moving on to Sri Lankan and ICC bagging are we now MM?

It was a contensious decision (particularly because there wasn't any bat on it), and tthe bowler should have turned around and asked the question.

The Aussies have had a bit of a raw deal with the umpiring in this WC. Maybe the umpires don't think the Aussies give them enough respect. I cringe when our bowlers don't turn around and ask the question for lbws and slight nicks behind.

Lee had one of the Sri lankan players as plum as you can get and it was given not out?????

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
It was a contensious decision (particularly because there wasn't any bat on it), and tthe bowler should have turned around and asked the question.

The Aussies have had a bit of a raw deal with the umpiring in this WC. Maybe the umpires don't think the Aussies give them enough respect. I cringe when our bowlers don't turn around and ask the question for lbws and slight nicks behind.

Lee had one of the Sri lankan players as plum as you can get and it was given not out?????

Maybe it's because we get so used to getting a dream run out here every summer ....

 

[St-KriS]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Maybe it's because we get so used to getting a dream run out here every summer ....

I think Umpire Tiffen put an end to that this summmer just been...

 

[jim440]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Maybe it's because we get so used to getting a dream run out here every summer ....

What bollocks.

Except for the Pakis a (fair) few years ago, no-one in world cricket can say the umpiring is anything other than impartial - not always right (come on down Russell Tiffin) - but always impartial.

The original post in this thread was valid - the ICC (not the umpires) - are so scared of being called racist, they are, the other way around.

 

[Slax]

You can have a go at the SLs being ****y but Lee & McGrath are the worst in the world at it. Both bowlers so no sportsmanship on the field what-so-ever and should not be used as role models.

 

[Becker]

Just thought I'd relate a comment that Dav Whatmore (Sri Lankan Coach) made the other day. When asked if there would be any sledging to the Aussies by Sri Lankan players he said they would and that the Aussies have no idea what the Sri Lankans are really saying about them in their foreign tongue. If I were Darren Lehmann I'd be very annoyed by those sentiments, wouldn't you?

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Becker
If I were Darren Lehmann I'd be very annoyed by those sentiments, wouldn't you?

Good question. Hard to say... can you take offence to something you don't understand?

 

[Dogwatcher]

It's a moral quandary isn't it.
Maybe if the Sri Lankans can get upset at this they can understand, it would be a bit hypocritical for them to go and say things about other players in their own language.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Maybe it's because we get so used to getting a dream run out here every summer ....

But that is the same as every other team. There's no denying that Australia gets a good run in their home series - I've been embarassed by it in recent years. Every other team gets the same good treatment when they play at home.

Most WC games are mutual though, and the Aussies seem to be getting a bad run.

btw: does anyone remember the fraudulebnt umpiring on the sub-continent that continued well nto the 80s? Visiting teams would go a whole series with only 1 or 2 (at the most) successful lbw decisions, while the home team would get up to 7 or 8 an innings.

 

[manmountain]

Originally posted by Zombie
Pretty stupid argument if you ask me, LBW's and catches are completely different situations, how often do you see bowlers turn around and appeal to the umpire after the batsmen has nicked the ball for a regulation slips catch?

Finished with the Lee and Bevan bagging now and moving on to Sri Lankan and ICC bagging are we now MM?

A snick to slips is a cut and dry case. Hayden's dismissal was (apart from being clearly not out) so close that the umpire's discretion was required. Now, if you're relying on the umpire to make a decision, why should you not pay him the common courtesy of turing around to ask the question? My point is that the ICC is not enforcing a directive that they made earlier in the year. Why make a threat if you have neither the intention or the guts to enforce it?

BTW, I'm not bagging Sri Lanka. I thought they failed to adhere to an ICC directive - no big deal - teams do it all the time. I'm bagging the ICC for failing to take action. There is a difference.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by manmountain
A snick to slips is a cut and dry case. Hayden's dismissal was (apart from being clearly not out) so close that the umpire's discretion was required. Now, if you're relying on the umpire to make a decision, why should you not pay him the common courtesy of turing around to ask the question? My point is that the ICC is not enforcing a directive that they made earlier in the year. Why make a threat if you have neither the intention or the guts to enforce it?

BTW, I'm not bagging Sri Lanka. I thought they failed to adhere to an ICC directive - no big deal - teams do it all the time. I'm bagging the ICC for failing to take action. There is a difference.

Obviously he thought the player had hit the ball, as did the umpire, there was no need to appeal ridiculously.

You'll bag anyone, SL, ICC, Symonds, Bevan, Grant Thomas, Tracy Bartram, anyone you can. Bottom line, you'll take any opportunity you can to have a whinge about anything that rubs you the wrong way.

 

[dr nick]

i thought they should have appealed. it was nowhere near a cut and dry case. bat pads never are. having said that ive seen far more outrageous things than that committed by the aussies. Glenn McGrath not bothering to appeal for an LBW is one that springs immediately to mind.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by jim440
What bollocks.

Except for the Pakis a (fair) few years ago, no-one in world cricket can say the umpiring is anything other than impartial - not always right (come on down Russell Tiffin) - but always impartial.

Ask a Kiwi supporter one day what sort of a run THEY'VE had out here over the years ... and that goes WAY back.

And England got far, far the worst of the decisions during the most recent summer, notwithstanding a couple of late shockers from Tiffen on Langer and Hayden when the series had already been well and truly decided.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Um....

Hayden was out caught???? He was nowhere near the ball.

(I saw it on replays on news highlights the following morning). I presumed it was a (close, but prob wrong) lbw decision.

Murali's actions were ridiculous.

(Although i had a similar situation on Sunday. Batsman played a 'help!' shot to a bouncer at the head, off glove/arm/helmet? to 2nd slip who took a great diving catch. I run to him celebrating without appeal...the batsmen walked 5-10m towards pavillion (rubbing hand), turned around, looked at umpire, and walked back (by which time we were all congratulating). The umpire gave him not out, as he couldn't tell it hit the gloves, and his instinct was not-out. Despite the batsman walking (starting to), he could not change his decision. The batsman later admitted he was out.

Although I agree this was the correct decision, given all facts, it could have been a match-turning one, and one that was clearly wrong.

 

[manmountain]

Originally posted by Zombie
You'll bag anyone, SL, ICC, Symonds, Bevan, Grant Thomas, Tracy Bartram, anyone you can. Bottom line, you'll take any opportunity you can to have a whinge about anything that rubs you the wrong way.

Just because I have a dislike of a person or team doesn't automatically mean I'm having a whinge. I have opinions on a lot of subjects, and if that subject is covered on Bigfooty then I'll usually chuck in my two-bobs worth. Just because I choose not to kneel in front of every sportsperson in the country like you doesn't make me a whinger.

If it makes you feel any better, I like the Zimbabwe and Indian cricket teams, I like Mark Thomson and Neale Daniher as coaches, I would like to see Simon Katich and Greg Blewett get another chance at test level, and I think Bert Newton is a deadset legend.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by manmountain

If it makes you feel any better, I like the Zimbabwe and Indian cricket teams, I would like to see Greg Blewett get another chance at test level, and I think Bert Newton is a deadset legend.

If that's the case then you're more of a fool than I thought!

 

[manmountain]

Which bit didn't you like? Not Bert I hope

 

[Dogwatcher]

Mainly Blewett, I'm a south Aussie and I don't even think he needs another shot, but also Bert.

 

[manmountain]

I reckon he has got plenty of good test cricket left in him. Similar to Damien Martyn I reckon (didn't make the most of his first opportunity), and probably a bit wiser now, I think he would make a good fist of it if he was given a second chance.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Blewett's had three opportunities and has failed each time. He still has a problem playing spin. I think he rates himself a little too highly and hasn't done the extra work required of someone in his position. Unlike Hayden who had the guts to say, look yeah I'm deficient in these areas, let's fix 'em up and see how we go.