Very Chinese socialismFascist, I would say. Everyone I talk to seems to want the army deployed to enforce social order.
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Very Chinese socialismFascist, I would say. Everyone I talk to seems to want the army deployed to enforce social order.
When Australia instituted its post war industrial policy, it had two purposes, to create jobs and to ensure we had strategic capabilities in times of crisis. In the relatively benign and peaceful 70 years since then, this was eroded in favour of liberalism. Now we have a crisis on hand and can’t get PPE, other countries can’t get ventilators, etc. When we rebuild the economy, do we do it with baristas or a level of self sufficiency?What heavy industry do you think returns to Australia?
We're still exporting raw material for smelting.
While I agree with you, there is a tendency on forums like this - where we argue against proponents as right wing as we are left, and vice versa (regardless of their and our delusions of our own neutrality/centreness) - to believe that the views of such groups as the IPA are more widely supported than they are.Not at all, I like capitalism.
Harsher terms of neoliberalism = the proponents of austerity. Those who argue against universal healthcare. Just look up the IPA wishlist if you like.
Why would you use a term like "freedom of choice"? If you adopt the capability approach (Sen), then the social democratic model of capitalism arguably provides for the greatest freedom of choice for the greatest number of people.
That's your take on it, not mine.
I'd suggest there is more freedom of choice in having an economic safety net than having no safety net.
It's an interesting article but scant on detail of what industries a country would feasibly be able to re-start.When Australia instituted its post war industrial policy, it had two purposes, to create jobs and to ensure we had strategic capabilities in times of crisis. In the relatively benign and peaceful 70 years since then, this was eroded in favour of liberalism. Now we have a crisis on hand and can’t get PPE, other countries can’t get ventilators, etc. When we rebuild the economy, do we do it with baristas or a level of self sufficiency?
Branko Milanovic had a piece on this the other day
The Real Pandemic Danger Is Social Collapse
The world could be witnessing a fundamental shift in the very nature of the global economy.www.foreignaffairs.com
Given you're conflating a socialist approach to economic management through a crisis, with communism, I'm not sure you're even arguing against the OP anyway.It's not a 'take', socialism / communism requires regimented state,you do realize that right? There has been measures of economic net in capitalism for as long as we've had capitalism. This is not new.
I'm not convinced you actually know the impacts of socialism / communism.
While numerically there may only be niche support for the full suite of IPA measures, their policy influence is profound... or was, up to a month ago.While I agree with you, there is a tendency on forums like this - where we argue against proponents as right wing as we are left, and vice versa (regardless of their and our delusions of our own neutrality/centreness) - to believe that the views of such groups as the IPA are more widely supported than they are.
There has never been much more than niche support of the full IPA agenda, because it's legitimately batshit.
Absolutely, but even the political party they started try to keep quiet the links between them, and works their arse off trying to appease them without implementing the too politically disastrous of their ideas.While numerically there may only be niche support for the full suite of IPA measures, their policy influence is profound... or was, up to a month ago.
What heavy industry do you think returns to Australia?
We're still exporting raw material for smelting.
Given you're conflating a socialist approach to economic management through a crisis, with communism, I'm not sure you're even arguing against the OP anyway.
Well done to governments taking steps to protect people and the economy.
It's his pet interest - Famous Pedophiles in History.I'm not disputing what you're saying - after your post, I had a look online - merely the frequency of how often you know a prominent member of the opposite side of politics to you is/was a pedophile.
It's uncanny, really really strange. I applaud your depth of knowledge, but it does lead one to question how you know these things.
We already know what his "targeted" means - the money's not available.Quick question.
When Frodo gets to stimulus7 and we're up to $500bn do you think he will stop using the words 'targeted' and 'scalable'?
That’s basically why we had a car industry in the first place, as a means to manufacture in a crisis (mostly for war, but any crisis might apply).A number of countries have directed automakers to produce ventilators. I think it’s important to retain some sort of manufacturing base that enables you to retool in cases of emergency. Perhaps we end up subsiding some industry knowing it’s inefficient just to provide that capability in emergencies.
Your bring home manufacturing revolution wont happen because of the virus except in maybe hospital ventilators. Although a better solution is just to buy more ventilator stock during the good times so you are prepared for virus outbreaks. Having more doctors and hospital beds would be ideal too.Will countries be as keen to offshore all their manufacturing after this crisis, or will there be a return to onshoring?
Maginot line thinking. If the next crisis is a war those ventilators will be useless.Your bring home manufacturing revolution wont happen because of the virus except in maybe hospital ventilators. Although a better solution is just to buy more ventilator stock during the good times so you are prepared for virus outbreaks. Having more doctors and hospital beds would be ideal too.
Why would we stop it?are you still happy for commodity trade being a western australian? Or should we stop that too for national security reasons?
That's it. It really grinds my gears, all these right wing banker types like herculez09 hoarding resources!Beg and cry for help from others when times are hard, but hog and hoard everything for themselves when the times are good. Capitalism 101
Monopoly Capitalism - procure all the resources, create artificial shortages and resell at inflated prices.That's it. It really grinds my gears, all these right wing banker types like herculez09 hoarding resources!
Self-explanatory title. Given the massive stimulus measures taken by governments around the world in response to this pandemic and the measures taken during the GFC, can we finally put the nail in the coffin for hard-line neoliberal economic rationalism that some still pretend is in force?
Well done to governments taking steps to protect people and the economy.
The fact that you can find a way to reduce an incredible amount of subjects to whether or not the person in question was a pedophile is a) a remarkable feat of memory, given the sheer number of times you assert this stuff, b) bullshit of the highest order, that you insert here and there to shock people, or c) an obsession of yours to discover how many historical figures were pedophiles.
In any case, it's disconcerting, doesn't add much to the discussion, and isn't entirely healthy.
Again we wont have wars if the world is highly linked through trade. No countries can survive a war if they need goods and resources from others. No countries want war if their leaders profits are tied to other people. Plus tourism and trade makes people more trusting of others. we stop thinking if ithers countries as aliens and cockroaches when we trade with them and travel to their lands. we do not want to go back to a world of little trade.Maginot line thinking. If the next crisis is a war those ventilators will be useless.
Why would we stop it?
LmaoAgain we wont have wars if the world is highly linked through trade
Cant wait for the Murdoch rags to:Quick question.
When Frodo gets to stimulus7 and we're up to $500bn do you think he will stop using the words 'targeted' and 'scalable'?