So long maggot & good riddance

[Murraj1966]

Nah just go out with the boys and have a few* beers or so and drown your sorrows.

*By few, I mean non Carlton standard, so 3 or 4, not 10.

 

[KruZin]

Nah just go out with the boys and have a few* beers or so and drown your sorrows.

*By few, I mean non Carlton standard, so 3 or 4, not 10.

But I'd already had 5 beers before 12pm. In my defence it is freakishly hot on the Bay today.

 

[Murraj1966]

Live the creed you might say

But 43* heat... yeah i don't judge.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Would've been apt. Might get a 2nd life though when Matthew Nicholls gets the arse. Useless bald **** he is.

True that.

 

[KruZin]

Live the creed you might say

But 43* heat... yeah i don't judge.

Cheers

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

Yeah except there was no evidence so it's pure attention whoring by the women.

Convenient view Muraj.

I've heard the same argument from Carlton people about 'Kate', despite the fact the assistant police commissioner admitted the original interview had been 'lost', investigators had failed to take DNA samples, didn't examine the alleged crime scene, and ignored the victims calls for years. All further victimises the person that's already suffered too much. Their characters are generally assassinated along with this and sure enough, it leaves things in a position where no recourse will ever be visited on those that have committed the crime. There are times when young scrags will chase down a footy player for a bit. But that is no excuse to ignore or downplay claims.

There's an endemic culture in our society of covering these things up when high profile sports people are involved. Footy clubs in League & Aussie Rules have particularly poor records. Some of the comments in this thread alone are clear demonstrations of the turn a blind eye attitude. You can't sit there and say applying the 'alleged rapists' tag to milne/montagna is out of order when you're prepared to apply, not an allegation, but what you consider a statement of fact in calling the girls involved attention whores. The presumption of innocence doesn't apply to them hey?

 

[db swannie]

Who cares? Only cost us pick 16 in a piss weak draft.

Maybe, just maybe, the woman who's (allegedly) been r*ped cares? Or perhaps her family, or her friends?

There's more to life than football, you peanut.

 

[Murraj1966]

It's funny how consent can be changed at any time by women.

They could be alright with it till a second from the end and then "No I change my mind *rape charges*". Feminist bias these days means any women can charge pretty much charge any guy with rape because it's always going to be her word against his isn't it barring DNA evidence or trauma. I'm not anti-women, nor am I starting a rant, and I am most certainly not saying rape as a crime does not exist. All I'm saying is, a girl can be out with a famous guy, get him in the sack and think "hey if I call rape on him, I'll be in the newspapers OR I can get back at men for XYZ reasons", you're joking yourself if you've never heard of rape fabrication.

 

[KruZin]

It's funny how consent can be changed at any time by women.

Especially while they're asleep.

 

[witsend]

It's funny how consent can be changed at any time by women.

They could be alright with it till a second from the end and then "No I change my mind *rape charges*". Feminist bias these days means any women can charge pretty much charge any guy with rape because it's always going to be her word against his isn't it barring DNA evidence or trauma. I'm not anti-women, nor am I starting a rant, and I am most certainly not saying rape as a crime does not exist. All I'm saying is, a girl can be out with a famous guy, get him in the sack and think "hey if I call rape on him, I'll be in the newspapers OR I can get back at men for XYZ reasons", you're joking yourself if you've never heard of rape fabrication.

Of course consent can be withdrawn at the last moment.
If a woman changes her mind you have no right to force yourself on her, no matter how blue your balls are.
Real men don't force themselves on women. Ever.

 

[Murraj1966]

You're kind of ignoring the whole thing about Rape Fabrication there.

 

[Bay Pie]

No charges means it never happened .

Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.

The carlton way/view. I guess we can put to bed, things about Jack the Ripper then.

 

[Bentick's My Man.]

You're kind of ignoring the whole thing about Rape Fabrication there.

Hey Inspector, nobody on BigFooty knows what happened and until we do then I think you should just STFU because if it comes back that this woman was sexually assaulted you will feel like (well should I hope) a prick (could say worse but not on BF) of the highest order.

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

It's funny how consent can be changed at any time by women.

They could be alright with it till a second from the end and then "No I change my mind *rape charges*". Feminist bias these days means any women can charge pretty much charge any guy with rape because it's always going to be her word against his isn't it barring DNA evidence or trauma. I'm not anti-women, nor am I starting a rant, and I am most certainly not saying rape as a crime does not exist. All I'm saying is, a girl can be out with a famous guy, get him in the sack and think "hey if I call rape on him, I'll be in the newspapers OR I can get back at men for XYZ reasons", you're joking yourself if you've never heard of rape fabrication.

I acknowledged the fact that some girls cry rape. It's, as I also said, no excuse to treat the allegations made any less seriously, until that can be established. Usually it's fairly easy to pick someone doing that though. Trauma victims generally don't want any kind of public attention. I would also back up what witsend said in reply to the above quote wholeheartedly.

Yeah, rape fabrications happen, as do coverups, perpetrated in the tradition of the old school insular nature of footy clubs when it comes to players doing some seriously wrong shit. No-one has said that fabrications don't happen though. It always gets rolled out as if it's the most common and obvious explanation when a footy player is the one standing accused though. 1 in 10 rapes in this country are reported. 1 in 5 women, and 1 in 8 men, will experience sexual trauma during their life.

To quote the ‘Unwanted Sexual Experiences Survey (Yarrow Place, 2000)

• 83.8% of females and 47.4% of males reported at least one unwanted sexual harassment style experience;
• 59.3% of females and 25% of males reported at least one unwanted sexual assault style experience;
• 35.5% of females and 15.4% of males reported at least one unwanted penetrative sex experience;
• between 12.6% and 35.5% of women; and between 5.3% and 15.4% of men reported experiences when aged 16 or older which meet the legal definition of rape;
• 40.2% of respondents who had had an unwanted experience told someone about the incident. Of those, 92.3% told a friend and only 6.4% told anyone else.

 

[Murraj1966]

If she didn't want attention, why'd it let slip she was Jack Anthony's ex?

I'm not saying she personally did, but that it does happen and that people in the public eye are more susceptible to rape fabrications than those who aren't.

 

[witsend]

If she didn't want attention, why'd it let slip she was Jack Anthony's ex?

I'm not saying she personally did, but that it does happen and that people in the public eye are more susceptible to rape fabrications than those who aren't.

You're defending the indefensible here. What's your motive?

 

[db swannie]

Hey Inspector, nobody on BigFooty knows what happened and until we do then I think you should just STFU because if it comes back that this woman was sexually assaulted you will feel like (well should I hope) a prick (could say worse but not on BF) of the highest order.

It's not often I agree with a Carlton supporter on anything, but I do with this post. Let the courts sort it out, and until then Muraj try and keep your cry wolf scenarios to yourself...

 

[Murraj1966]

Well if the woman WAS assaulted then by all means have at it, but I still never said SHE did, I said SOME do.

And the motive is for everyone to stop condemning him, Milne and Montagna just because the Herald told you to... You all say they're rapists yet the strangest part was posted above, someone telling me "you weren't there" or something along those lines. Was anyone around Milne or Montagna in 2004? Was anyone around Lovett now? You have about as much valid information as someone living in the north pole who's been without news for 20 years.

If you are free to spout such nonsense without restraint, then I can say whatever I think about the odd woman lying about being r*ped for the attention.

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

If she didn't want attention, why'd it let slip she was Jack Anthony's ex?

I'm not saying she personally did, but that it does happen and that people in the public eye are more susceptible to rape fabrications than those who aren't.

That has been implied through BF, by someone saying the Collingwood player who's ex was with gram was likely JA's ex. All that's 'let slip' has been reports on police enquiries. Journos getting limited statements from people involved & the police. Once again, witsend is on the money in questioning the motivation of your line of thought.

 

[Military_man]

haha the rape pack

 

[witsend]

Well if the woman WAS assaulted then by all means have at it, but I still never said SHE did, I said SOME do.

And the motive is for everyone to stop condemning him, Milne and Montagna just because the Herald told you to... You all say they're rapists yet the strangest part was posted above, someone telling me "you weren't there" or something along those lines. Was anyone around Milne or Montagna in 2004? Was anyone around Lovett now? You have about as much valid information as someone living in the north pole who's been without news for 20 years.

If you are free to spout such nonsense without restraint, then I can say whatever I think about the odd woman lying about being r*ped for the attention.

The old "2 wrongs make a right".
I suspect you're a misogynist just using desperate arguments to prop up your ingrained prejudices against women. But I could be wrong.

 

[KruZin]

haha the rape pack

Oh Yeah, Rape Packs in da house!

 

[Murraj1966]

The old "2 wrongs make a right".
I suspect you're a misogynist just using desperate arguments to prop up your ingrained prejudices against women. But I could be wrong.

A prejudice is something unfair, but the truth is some women do lie about rape for the attention, and stating facts is not prejudice. Case in point here

But really, you just avoid my sentiments, so you can continue to spout "HURR ST RAPE MILNE MONTAGNA" garbage to try and reach some semblance of humor.

 

[mess]

A prejudice is something unfair, but the truth is some women do lie about rape for the attention, and stating facts is not prejudice. Case in point here

Prejudice = the act of pre-judging. It doesn't matter how fair you think your judgment is, if it's not based on facts specific to the case at hand then that's prejudice.

 

[Murraj1966]

And all the while I've been saying *SOME* women do indeed lie about rape. Which is a truth you must accept.