Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2025 - Part 2

[Thrillthorpe7]

5-8 range IMO.

Ah Chee is more icing but we need more cake to really trouble the top sides.

We troubled the good sides in 2025 when we had everyone available, why couldn't we do that again with a clean injury run and another pre season into some of our young guns? I know 'organic growth' is boring, but when you've hit the draft hard over a number of years with high picks, it is important.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They are there waiting, but not getting call-ups.

In place of who, when you have an 18-5 season .....the Finals have now exposed the midfield .....one of these young players, now gets an opportunity to step up in 2026 .....not gifted games as some want

Peatling not the walkup start in year 2 .....however I feel he has better football in him, that 2025 showed

Can Dowling, Nankervis, Edwards, and Ryan take the next step .....the ball is in their court ....not the coaches
Force the Coaches to pick you, by performance

 

[GreyCrow]

Do you think that Draper learning multiple roles in the twos is not beneficial to his development?

Not really. His first years should be learning his positional craft. If he isnt going to make it then and then we look at developing the strong parts of his game which would suit elsewhere

 

[Scorpus]

In other words, you're writing Draper, Edwards, Dowling & others off .....because you're saying we can't develop midfielders

Poor Curtin, written off in his 2nd year by Scorpus

I'm not writing off the players and this would be obvious reading what I have written

I don't think there's much point continuing this discussion if you're going to keep misrepresenting what I have clearly stated

 

[1990crow]

We troubled the good sides in 2025 when we had everyone available, why couldn't we do that again with a clean injury run and another pre season into some of our young guns? I know 'organic growth' is boring, but when you've hit the draft hard over a number of years with high picks, it is important.

Because other clubs have improved their lists.

 

[GreyCrow]

We troubled the good sides in 2025 when we had everyone available, why couldn't we do that again with a clean injury run and another pre season into some of our young guns? I know 'organic growth' is boring, but when you've hit the draft hard over a number of years with high picks, it is important.

Because other sides have gotten better. They improved their list

Ah Chee is great but he doesnt move the needle on where we finish

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not writing off the players and this would be obvious reading what I have written

I don't think there's much point continuing this discussion if you're going to keep misrepresenting what I have clearly stated

I'm not ....you said "there's no evidence we can develop midfielders" .....that's pretty categoric, no misinterpretation

It means you've written those players off .....

 

[George CantStandYa]

Interesting take, but I’m going to try and get us back on track, because it looks like you’ve gone elsewhere.

When have the Crows ever played a kid out of the draft straight into the midfield? When has Nicks?
Do you think that Draper learning multiple roles in the twos is not beneficial to his development?

You’re talking about Nicks being the head of development here, and I’m talking about game plan strategy, which do work hand in hand.

Seriously, if I feel as though I’m talking to a brick wall.

The discussion has been on our midfield and lack of development. Nicks has completed 6 years and in that time of the players we have drafted, some just before him and some during his tenure, we have Soligo and Berry playing. I’m not going to repeat all the names of the players we’ve drafted as mids.

Now Nicks as head coach says who he wants developed as mids, surely you’re not denying this. So then explain the rationale of playing Murphy and top up players in the midfield over mids we’ve drafted such as Edwards and Taylor/Pedlar in recent times.

I can’t make it any clearer and this is the last time I’ll engage you on this, only so many stupid opinions I can handle.

 

[CrowinNT]

You don’t think Dawson is a gun?

He wasn’t drafted as a pure midfielder

 

[Scorpus]

I'm not ....you said "there's no evidence we can develop midfielders" .....that's pretty categoric, no misinterpretation

It means you've written those players off .....

I can't be any more clear that the issue is not the players

We have enough midfielders on the list

We should be developing our side towards a 2027 peak with four elite midfielders (Dawson, Rankine, Draper, Curtin) and some solid complementary pieces (Soligo, Peatling, Edwards, etc.). A multi All Australian in there, a potential All Australian mid forward, a top 5 draft pick, and a top 10 draft pick. That sounds like a fantastic set of building blocks.

But our coaches suck

I was mostly highlighting our investment into the midfield, which has been huge

We need to better develop and coach the talented group we already have

My take is that we have lots of midfield talent. I'm saying we actually do have the talent on our list, right now

We need a trade period for coaches, not players, to take the club to the next level

I pointed out... the talent and upside in the list (that is being held back by coaching)

I said our list has a lot of high end midfield talent and there is no evidence we can develop those players into AFL quality midfielders.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I can't be any more clear that the issue is not the players

Don’t do it to yourself, it’s what he wants, to waste your time repeating yourself

 

[FR0GGY]

I can't be any more clear that the issue is not the players

Why are you writing off the players?

 

[Hodgy]

We troubled the good sides in 2025 when we had everyone available, why couldn't we do that again with a clean injury run and another pre season into some of our young guns? I know 'organic growth' is boring, but when you've hit the draft hard over a number of years with high picks, it is important.

This is a great point. When you are a struggling side then relying on organic growth is obviously stupid. However when you are flying and have just hit the draft hard for the last 5 years then it is absolutely the best option.

People who want us to sell the farm for an Oliver this year are conveniently forgetting 2 important points. Firstly he takes the spot of a younger player and so halts someone’s development, and secondly you lose draft collateral and salary cap which prevents you attracting better options in the future, or more importantly securing your Tillthorpe, Curtins and Michalaneys now.

 

[1970crow]

GreyCrow believes not going from 15th to Premiership, is an abject failure of the Club & Coaches ......wipe them all out & start again

The same people who said after the 2024 season, the rebuild was a failure, and EVERY senior Club Official needed to be cleared out ......not terribly smart of these characters

Went from an umpiring decision from finals to 5th in 2 seasons and having only added 3 best 23 players from other clubs. Such a monumental ascension, reacharounds for everyone.

 

[FR0GGY]

This is a great point. When you are a struggling side then relying on organic growth is obviously stupid. However when you are flying and have just hit the draft hard for the last 5 years then it is absolutely the best option.

People who want us to sell the farm for an Oliver this year are conveniently forgetting 2 important points. Firstly he takes the spot of a younger player and so halts someone’s development, and secondly you lose draft collateral and salary cap which prevents you attracting better options in the future, or more importantly securing your Tillthorpe, Curtins and Michalaneys now.

Not sure anyone wanted to sell the farm for an Oliver

 

[ams4crows]

Disappointed we didn't do our due diligence with Chesser, that's a first rounder that left and only cost pick 41

 

[1970crow]

Pretty sure it now reports into Murray, but sure thing

So apart from this year it has been him and he had it the responsibility taken away? That’s better, really speaks volumes of the guy.

 

[Amacca 23]

Disappointed we didn't do our due diligence with Chesser, that's a first rounder that left and only cost pick 41

Why couldn't get a game consistently with the Eagles

 

[Hodgy]

Not sure anyone wanted to sell the farm for an Oliver

You obviously haven’t read much of the hysterical moaning on this board then.

 

[Crow till I die]

Why couldn't get a game consistently with the Eagles

Chronic injury

 

[FR0GGY]

You obviously haven’t read much of the hysterical moaning on this board then.

Petracca maybe, but not an Oliver type.

 

[PeterSalt]

I saw this reported somewhere else earlier this year but I forget where. Something about how Reid was one of the more difficult list managers to work with.

Here probably .. some peanut probably made up a story and everyone's rolling with now because half the folk on here are disappointed we didn't pull 3 new players again via trades, that the Ah Chee trade is taking a while or both A and B

The legit stories floating around about clubs, list managers and heads of football that were difficult to deal with all pointed to Essendon, Port and St Kilda

 

[GreyCrow]

This is a great point. When you are a struggling side then relying on organic growth is obviously stupid. However when you are flying and have just hit the draft hard for the last 5 years then it is absolutely the best option.

People who want us to sell the farm for an Oliver this year are conveniently forgetting 2 important points. Firstly he takes the spot of a younger player and so halts someone’s development, and secondly you lose draft collateral and salary cap which prevents you attracting better options in the future, or more importantly securing your Tillthorpe, Curtins and Michalaneys now.

?????

But everyone was all in on Petracca and then Flanders and then Steele

But suddenly organic growth is the best strategy?

Carn you're just posting club propoganda

 

[FR0GGY]

It doesn’t take a genius to see that Reid would be difficult to deal with going by his interviews.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can't be any more clear that the issue is not the players

Interesting take then .....so every mid that doesn't make it, it's solely the result of our Coaches .....there's no responsibility on the players

So, Shoenberg's delisting was all on the Coaches

Lets say for one crazy moment, you were right ....that would mean those players delisted would then be picked up by Clubs, recognising the talent

So, how many of players we have delisted, have been then picked up by other Clubs ....and go onto proving your theory ?

Can I suggest to you, that said players now & into the future .....may stop developing & reach a ceiling not acceptable at AFL level .....and could this be a result of said player's workrate, and desire to improve

Cream rises to the top .....we've held back, none to my recall, that have gone onto embarrass us