St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first round pick via their NGA access

[GC2015]

First round St Kilda NGA prospect Kye Fincher was born in Hong Kong to Australian parents while his mother was completing a temporary work secondment overseas. The family moved back to Melbourne shortly after his birth where he grew up and attending Brighton Grammar as well as playing club footy for Sandringham. His grandfather, Noel Fincher, played 61 VFL/AFL matches for Footscray and North Melbourne.

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

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[Milanista28]

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

The outrageous thing about this summary is wealthy Australian parents with access to Brighton Grammar, travel to Hong Kong for work and have a kid and that makes it a disadvantaged pathway ? This NGA pathways are comical half the time.

 

[humper]

Fair enough hopefully we use pick 98 and 117.

 

[GC2015]

Fair enough hopefully we use pick 98 and 117.

Nah mate. Your president made sure clubs will pay 'fair' price for priority access and that means picks beyond 55 have no value when it comes to matching bids. So if Fincher is bid on with, say, pick 15 in the draft, then that equates to 1112 points. Apply the 10% NGA discount and St Kilda will need to have enough 2025 picks to cover the required 1000 points in order to match the bid. St Kilda's natural second (23) and third round (41) picks won't be enough to cover the required points and fourth round picks don't hold any value anymore.

Further complicating the problem is the Saints traded away their 2025 second round pick last year so they're approximately 780 points short of matching a bid for Fincher (as it stands) and that's the equivalent of pick 19. That's assuming Fincher is bid on at pick 15 - if he's bid on earlier in the draft then it gets really diffcult for the Saints and they may have to trade away their natural pick 5 or give away several future draft picks.

So get ready for your club to engage in plenty of point accumulating trades this year. You're either going to lose picks, players or maybe even both in order to keep Fincher. Just remember you can thank your president when you're reviewing some of the confusing/one-sided trades that your club will complete later this year.

 

[humper]

Nah mate. Your president made sure clubs will pay 'fair' price for priority access and that means picks beyond 55 have no value when it comes to matching bids. So if Fincher is bid on with, say, pick 15 in the draft, then that equates to 1112 points. Apply the 10% NGA discount and St Kilda will need to have enough 2025 picks to cover the required 1000 points in order to match the bid. St Kilda's natural second (23) and third round (41) picks won't be enough to cover the required points and fourth round picks don't hold any value anymore.

Further complicating the problem is the Saints traded away their 2025 second round pick last year so they're approximately 780 points short of matching a bid for Fincher (as it stands) and that's the equivalent of pick 19. That's assuming Fincher is bid on at pick 15 - if he's bid on earlier in the draft then it gets really diffcult for the Saints and they may have to trade away their natural pick 5 or give away several future draft picks.

So get ready for your club to engage in plenty of point accumulating trades this year. You're either going to lose picks, players or maybe even both in order to keep Fincher. Just remember you can thank your president when you're reviewing some of the confusing/one-sided trades that your club will complete later this year.

Happy if it means we are gifted top end talent to unload garbage picks.

 

[GC2015]

Happy if it means we are gifted top end talent to unload garbage picks.

If you consider a pick in the teens or multiple picks in the 20s to be 'garbage' picks, then you're going to be happy this off season. You also have to get those picks, which means giving up something else. Maybe that will be Wanganeen-Milera?

 

[humper]

If you consider a pick in the teens or multiple picks in the 20s to be 'garbage' picks, then you're going to be happy this off season. You also have to get those picks, which means giving up something else. Maybe that will be Wanganeen-Milera?

If he's rated in the first round and we still use our first pick couching up speculative picks is ok.

 

[Bostonian]

This is a similar scenario to Geelong and their NGA prospect Jessie Mellor this year.

 

[GC2015]

If he's rated in the first round and we still use our first pick couching up speculative picks is ok.

Here's the problem - you don't know when another club is going to bid on Fincher - but history shows opposition clubs will force others to use their earlier pick if it's around about the predicted bid. So let's say Fincher finishes the season well and becomes a top 12 prospect. It's almost guaranteed that a club will bid on Fincher before St Kilda's first round pick rolls around in order to take them out of the picture so they don't double up their first round draftees.

This is the exact reason Essendon traded away their pick 8 last year because they had been led to believe that St Kilda were going to bid on Kako with pick 7, even though his real draft value was around pick 15. In the end, he was bid on with pick 13 and Essendon matched the bid with several picks in the 20s & 30s. So that's the game you play when it comes to these situations. Opposition clubs won't like it if St Kilda get pick 5 + another first round pick in Fincher and will almost definitely force the Saints to use any earlier picks to avoid the double up.

So you can probably say goodbye to your pick 5 unless Fincher really drops away in terms of his draft value. Your pick 5 likely becomes a player valued in the teens + another pick or two in the 20s or 30s.

 

[Mofra]

St Kilda were screwed out of Cam MacKenzie access so you can understand why they would be pissed off.
As were Melbourne with Mac Andrew.

 

[humper]

Here's the problem - you don't know when another club is going to bid on Fincher - but history shows opposition clubs will force others to use their earlier pick if it's around about the predicted bid. So let's say Fincher finishes the season well and becomes a top 12 prospect. It's almost guaranteed that a club will bid on Fincher before St Kilda's first round pick rolls around in order to take them out of the picture so they don't double up their first round draftees.

This is the exact reason Essendon traded away their pick 8 last year because they had been led to believe that St Kilda were going to bid on Kako with pick 7, even though his real draft value was around pick 15. In the end, he was bid on with pick 13 and Essendon matched the bid with several picks in the 20s & 30s. So that's the game you play when it comes to these situations. Opposition clubs won't like it if St Kilda get pick 5 + another first round pick in Fincher and will almost definitely force the Saints to use any earlier picks to avoid the double up.

So you can probably say goodbye to your pick 5 unless Fincher really drops away in terms of his draft value. Your pick 5 likely becomes a player valued in the teens + another pick or two in the 20s or 30s.

At this stage Im not sure someones going to bid with pick 4.

 

[GC2015]

At this stage Im not sure someones going to bid with pick 4.

Hard to say because we don't know how Fincher is going to be viewed in October. If he becomes a top 10 prospect, then a team like Melbourne with pick 4 likely will bid on him. If he is valued around pick 20 then the Dees likely won't bother.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Here's the problem - you don't know when another club is going to bid on Fincher - but history shows opposition clubs will force others to use their earlier pick if it's around about the predicted bid. So let's say Fincher finishes the season well and becomes a top 12 prospect. It's almost guaranteed that a club will bid on Fincher before St Kilda's first round pick rolls around in order to take them out of the picture so they don't double up their first round draftees.

This is the exact reason Essendon traded away their pick 8 last year because they had been led to believe that St Kilda were going to bid on Kako with pick 7, even though his real draft value was around pick 15. In the end, he was bid on with pick 13 and Essendon matched the bid with several picks in the 20s & 30s. So that's the game you play when it comes to these situations. Opposition clubs won't like it if St Kilda get pick 5 + another first round pick in Fincher and will almost definitely force the Saints to use any earlier picks to avoid the double up.

So you can probably say goodbye to your pick 5 unless Fincher really drops away in terms of his draft value. Your pick 5 likely becomes a player valued in the teens + another pick or two in the 20s or 30s.

No club is going to risk bidding on him with a top 5 pick because if we decided to not match then they are stuck with a player that is clearly not a top 5 talent. If our first rounder ended up being a mid first which I don’t see happening with our current form then yes we would have a issue and need to make some trades

 

[GC2015]

No club is going to risk bidding on him with a top 5 pick because if we decided to not match then they are stuck with a player that is clearly not a top 5 talent. If our first rounder ended up being a mid first which I don’t see happening with our current form then yes we would have a issue and need to make some trades

It's the two unknowns right now - what will Fincher's value be in October and where will St Kilda finish in August / September? This is why it can be really difficult to plan for these situations a year or two out.

 

[Broski]

If Fincher becomes a top-10 pick I will grab a large bucket of sand and eat it with a spoon on camera...

Regardless, I would be happy to miss out on Fincher if it means Gold Coast has to pay up big time for the likely three top-15 picks they will receive after coasting into finals following the league's most comfy fixture.

Academies and father-sons serve no purpose in the sport - especially the later. We have kids who were always going to play football being tied to clubs, while the "feel good factor" of father/sons seemingly stop after a certain amount of games.

The draft needs to be an uncompromised tool for underperforming clubs to access elite talent. Clubs like St Kilda and North will never attract elite Free Agents, so the draft is legitimately the main way to escape mediocrity.

However, the AFL doesn't care for equity, so I try not to lose sleep over this Mickey Mouse comp.

 

[humper]

If Fincher becomes a top-10 pick I will grab a large bucket of sand and eat it with a spoon on camera...

Regardless, I would be happy to miss out on Fincher if it means Gold Coast has to pay up big time for the likely three top-15 picks they will receive after coasting into finals following the league's most comfy fixture.

Academies and father-sons serve no purpose in the sport - especially the later. We have kids who were always going to play football being tied to clubs, while the "feel good factor" of father/sons seemingly stop after a certain amount of games.

The draft needs to be an uncompromised tool for underperforming clubs to access elite talent. Clubs like St Kilda and North will never attract elite Free Agents, so the draft is legitimately the main way to escape mediocrity.

However, the AFL doesn't care for equity, so I try not to lose sleep over this Mickey Mouse comp.

Agreed. Who was the last legitimate gun Collingwood actually drafted that wasn't father son or academy?

 

[Obeanie1]

First round St Kilda NGA prospect Kye Fincher was born in Hong Kong to Australian parents while his mother was completing a temporary work secondment overseas. The family moved back to Melbourne shortly after his birth where he grew up and attending Brighton Grammar as well as playing club footy for Sandringham. His grandfather, Noel Fincher, played 61 VFL/AFL matches for Footscray and North Melbourne.

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

www.foxsports.com.au

Cool. Good luck to the Saints and any other struggling club who have to date got SFA assistance from the AFL.

So you only now realising the AFL has run a total root on all academies and the rules governing them?

Northern clubs been taking full advantage of this poor management for years. Still loading up on assistance while winning flags. Top management AFL.

Luckily for the Sains and others the AFL made even more stupid academy rules but at least everyone can access this latest loop hole stuff up.

If the AFL keep making dumb policies on top of dumb policies eventually we won't need a draft at all.

 

[Obeanie1]

Here's the problem - you don't know when another club is going to bid on Fincher - but history shows opposition clubs will force others to use their earlier pick if it's around about the predicted bid. So let's say Fincher finishes the season well and becomes a top 12 prospect. It's almost guaranteed that a club will bid on Fincher before St Kilda's first round pick rolls around in order to take them out of the picture so they don't double up their first round draftees.

This is the exact reason Essendon traded away their pick 8 last year because they had been led to believe that St Kilda were going to bid on Kako with pick 7, even though his real draft value was around pick 15. In the end, he was bid on with pick 13 and Essendon matched the bid with several picks in the 20s & 30s. So that's the game you play when it comes to these situations. Opposition clubs won't like it if St Kilda get pick 5 + another first round pick in Fincher and will almost definitely force the Saints to use any earlier picks to avoid the double up.

So you can probably say goodbye to your pick 5 unless Fincher really drops away in terms of his draft value. Your pick 5 likely becomes a player valued in the teens + another pick or two in the 20s or 30s.

Clubs bid early and force clubs to use their early picks?

Feel free to provide any example of that happening.

 

[Obeanie1]

Happy if it means we are gifted top end talent to unload garbage picks.

Exactly.

Lol.

Sounds like the Suns fan is cranky that other clubs are now allowed the same BS rort they've been enjoying.

 

[StonesThrow]

Clubs bid early and force clubs to use their early picks?

Feel free to provide any example of that happening.

This is debatable given how good he's turning out, but it was said at the time Sydney bid on Michalaney early (and maybe others?) to make them pay. I don't think anyone had him going first round.

 

[puppy_dog7]

First round St Kilda NGA prospect Kye Fincher was born in Hong Kong to Australian parents while his mother was completing a temporary work secondment overseas. The family moved back to Melbourne shortly after his birth where he grew up and attending Brighton Grammar as well as playing club footy for Sandringham. His grandfather, Noel Fincher, played 61 VFL/AFL matches for Footscray and North Melbourne.

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

Saints slammed a ‘rubbish’ AFL loophole. Now they are set to benefit from it in a draft ‘windfall’

www.foxsports.com.au

Let me get this straight... Saints complain about 'Northern Academies' and the price teams have to pay for Father Son's.

In no way has Bassatt complained about teams having access to Father Son's or Academy prospects (just that teams pay fair value). E.g. If you want Sam Darcy/Nick Daicos then you still get first access but you have to pay fair value when they are bid on. Not just a dozen picks between 40 & 60 to get it over the line.

I'm sure if St.Kilda rate Fincher they will be more than happy to pay 'fair value' for Fincher if he's a 1st round pick wherever that is. But they're talking as if were benefiting massively like he's a superstar generational talent, when realistically he's a 2nd round pick who may get into the 1st round of the draft.

Also, the AFL decided to change the rules the year before we looked to get Cam Mackenzie (top 10 pick) through our academy and have now decided to change them back. So we missed out on getting him.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Nah mate. Your president made sure clubs will pay 'fair' price for priority access and that means picks beyond 55 have no value when it comes to matching bids. So if Fincher is bid on with, say, pick 15 in the draft, then that equates to 1112 points. Apply the 10% NGA discount and St Kilda will need to have enough 2025 picks to cover the required 1000 points in order to match the bid. St Kilda's natural second (23) and third round (41) picks won't be enough to cover the required points and fourth round picks don't hold any value anymore.

Further complicating the problem is the Saints traded away their 2025 second round pick last year so they're approximately 780 points short of matching a bid for Fincher (as it stands) and that's the equivalent of pick 19. That's assuming Fincher is bid on at pick 15 - if he's bid on earlier in the draft then it gets really diffcult for the Saints and they may have to trade away their natural pick 5 or give away several future draft picks.

So get ready for your club to engage in plenty of point accumulating trades this year. You're either going to lose picks, players or maybe even both in order to keep Fincher. Just remember you can thank your president when you're reviewing some of the confusing/one-sided trades that your club will complete later this year.

Doesn't this nonsense just 100% support what St Kilda have been complaining about publicly (and other clubs privately)?

Such a farcical and ludicrous system.

 

[GC2015]

Clubs bid early and force clubs to use their early picks?

Feel free to provide any example of that happening.

StonesThrow pointed out the Michalanney example and I provided the Kako example from last year.

Let me get this straight... Saints complain about 'Northern Academies' and the price teams have to pay for Father Son's.

In no way has Bassatt complained about teams having access to Father Son's or Academy prospects (just that teams pay fair value). E.g. If you want Sam Darcy/Nick Daicos then you still get first access but you have to pay fair value when they are bid on. Not just a dozen picks between 40 & 60 to get it over the line.

I'm sure if St.Kilda rate Fincher they will be more than happy to pay 'fair value' for Fincher if he's a 1st round pick wherever that is. But they're talking as if were benefiting massively like he's a superstar generational talent, when realistically he's a 2nd round pick who may get into the 1st round of the draft.

Also, the AFL decided to change the rules the year before we looked to get Cam Mackenzie (top 10 pick) through our academy and have now decided to change them back. So we missed out on getting him.

Debatable. Bassat made it pretty clear that he wasn't a fan of the priority draft access "system". It wasn't just about paying a fairer price.

Although I will give him some credit by mentioning that he prefaced his criticisms of the priority draft access system by stating that "there’s no doubt by far biggest single reason for our lack of success, has been our own agency." That's important because it shows he's not just shifting all the blame to the AFL and is at least taking some responsibility for what has happened.

Doesn't this nonsense just 100% support what St Kilda have been complaining about publicly (and other clubs privately)?

Such a farcical and ludicrous system.

That is the new draft system that St Kilda were pushing in order for clubs to pay a fairer price. It was less complicated in the past.

 

[beside the seaside]

So because we are going to get some flukey mid 20s NGA pick we should stop complaining about Gold Coasts multiple top 20 picks every year?

Ok