St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[The Punter]

I love the "if you criticise the rules, you must not play by the rules" argument.

 

[tacopavlich]

Freo: Pavlich, Mundy, Fyfe, McPharlin, Ballantyne, Walters, Hill, Barlow, Neale, Sandilands.

There needs to be a 60 minutes special on how you can have Riewoldt, Pavlich, Sandilands, Fyfe, Goddard, Milne etc and across 15 seasons win nothing. Staggering really.

Riewoldt and Fyfe as great as they were, unfortunately had to go up against Ablett and Franklin.

 

[Broski]

Some of the of the draft watchers don’t seem to think he’s even draft worthy at this point. OP is completely talking out of his arse

Same people who believed Elwood Peckett was a chance to slip into the second round of last year's draft...

 

[botts]

Hard to say because we don't know how Fincher is going to be viewed in October. If he becomes a top 10 prospect, then a team like Melbourne with pick 4 likely will bid on him. If he is valued around pick 20 then the Dees likely won't bother.

You’ve lost the plot brother. I know you want to try to give us some of our own medicine but not gonna happen

 

[botts]

If you say so.

Out of curiosity, why does your club exist? The Saints are 1 premiership ahead of a team that's never played finals, despite having been in the competition for an extra 114 years.


No. That will end up being Brisbane.

We atleast we can say with out the afls had out and assistance your club defiant would exist.

 

[Atomboy]

It makes sense that Bassat would be looking after his own team's interests.

Same way St Kilda weren't considering the fairness of the competition when they joined the raid of Brisbane's former first round picks for cents on the dollar in 2013.

Who did we pick up again ?

 

[Atomboy]

Same people who believed Elwood Peckett was a chance to slip into the second round of last year's draft...

Other clubs are holding off drafting Elwood to do the Saints a favour

 

[t_94]

If you say so.

Out of curiosity, why does your club exist? The Saints are 1 premiership ahead of a team that's never played finals, despite having been in the competition for an extra 114 years.


No. That will end up being Brisbane

Founding member of the VFL there champo. A real football club.

 

[t_94]

lol every advantage, they didnt even have anywhere to train when they came into the competition ive heard a few saints supporters say this, you've got no idea what you are talking about

Facilities are overrated. Saints won 20 on the bounce training out of a facility from the 70s in 09.

 

[Chip Scab1]

You should try and keep players, rather than them hating their new club and wanting to run out the door.

Come on Vinnie...

Of all clubs, you going to throw that at us? I'm never going to recover from all the Top6's JHFF is going to run in Poort's BnF's. I mean they might go on a run one day.
Magoo McKay?

Josh Gibson is one we'd have liked to have kept, sure!? Leroy Brown? 32 y/o W Carey? Who ya on about? Scotty Welsh? Peter Mann? Mark Arceri!?

 

[mighty_lions]

Facilities are overrated. Saints won 20 on the bounce training out of a facility from the 70s in 09.

That’s because you were already a developed club that had existed almost 150 years you absolute pelican not a brand new team with 18 year olds from interstate

 

[Chip Scab1]

I suppose if I'd endured failure for the best part of 150 years, irrelevance for the past 15, and going from being well ahead of Hawthorn, Melbourne and the Bulldogs in support to being behind all three of them, I'd also be looking to point the finger at someone else to excuse it.

Nice.

Coming off 3 flags in a row (and 1 last year) and complaining about the expanded VFL to a supporter who has likely seen 0.

I have tried to reconcile this but I simply can not.

 

[littlecreatures]

That’s because you were already a developed club that had existed almost 150 years you absolute pelican not a brand new team with 18 year olds from interstate

Yeah, and we’ve never received the preferential treatment that Northern academies have received in our 150 years:

• We got squeezed out of St Kilda (Junction Oval) up until the 1960s in favour of Victorian cricket which nearly saw us eradicated as a club. Didn’t see the VFL administration use the excuse of growing the game in St Kilda back then.
• We move away from St Kilda (Junction Oval) to Moorabbin in 1965 and finally get a 1st premiership in 1966 then in the VFL’s infinite wisdom they hand out our zones along the Mornington Peninsula and Frankston to Hawthorn which sees us lose generational talents like Leigh Mathews, Dermot Brereton, Gary Ayres etc, and of all zones we receive Ballarat (logic at its best, right).
• After decades of turmoil, the VFL comes to its senses and abolishes these zones and we go back to receiving talent from the heartland (e.g., Harvey, Burke, Spider Everett, etc).
• Equalised draft system is implemented and we narrowly lose 1997, 2009, and 2010 premierships.
• Post 2010 grand final, compromised draft system is introduced to expand the game Rugby league territory, and here we are.

Surely, the AFL have other mechanisms to growing the game in rugby league territories, besides a compromised draft rort, which evidently we haven’t received in 150 years and have also lost generational talent to these sides (e.g., Lockett).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Nice.

Coming off 3 flags in a row (and 1 last year) and complaining about the expanded VFL to a supporter who has likely seen 0.

I have tried to reconcile this but I simply can not.

I don't know what your issue is, this isn't a kindergarten game where everyone gets a turn.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yeah, and we’ve never received the preferential treatment that Northern academies have received in our 150 years:

• We got squeezed out of St Kilda (Junction Oval) up until the 1960s in favour of Victorian cricket which nearly saw us eradicated as a club. Didn’t see the VFL administration use the excuse of growing the game in St Kilda back then.

You'd been around for 90 years at that point. Consider yourselves lucky, Fitzroy never got a real replacement ground when they similarly got thrown out of Brunswick Street.

• Post 2010 grand final, compromised draft system is introduced to expand the game Rugby league territory, and here we are.

Academies didn't produce a first round talent for several years, and rarely more than one in a year until 2023. They aren't an excuse for St Kilda drafting poorly and taking McCartin over Petracca, Billings over Bontempelli, Clark and Coffield over Naughton and the less good King brother.

 

[mighty_lions]

Yeah, and we’ve never received the preferential treatment that Northern academies have received in our 150 years:

• We got squeezed out of St Kilda (Junction Oval) up until the 1960s in favour of Victorian cricket which nearly saw us eradicated as a club. Didn’t see the VFL administration use the excuse of growing the game in St Kilda back then.
• We move away from St Kilda (Junction Oval) to Moorabbin in 1965 and finally get a 1st premiership in 1966 then in the VFL’s infinite wisdom they hand out our zones along the Mornington Peninsula and Frankston to Hawthorn which sees us lose generational talents like Leigh Mathews, Dermot Brereton, Gary Ayres etc, and of all zones we receive Ballarat (logic at its best, right).
• After decades of turmoil, the VFL comes to its senses and abolishes these zones and we go back to receiving talent from the heartland (e.g., Harvey, Burke, Spider Everett, etc).
• Equalised draft system is implemented and we narrowly lose 1997, 2009, and 2010 premierships.
• Post 2010 grand final, compromised draft system is introduced to expand the game Rugby league territory, and here we are.

Surely, the AFL have other mechanisms to growing the game in rugby league territories, besides a compromised draft rort, which evidently we haven’t received in 150 years and have also lost generational talent to these sides (e.g., Lockett).

lol its just so embarassing

 

[Chip Scab1]

I don't know what your issue is, this isn't a kindergarten game where everyone gets a turn.

Of course it isn't.

You've had 10% extra salary cap in 3/4. Academy leg-ups which happen to be head office directives.

They have lost a GF by a kick and drew another. I get the savageness.

 

[The Punter]

I don't have to leave my home state to watch my team play home games.

Arguably the best player available in last year's draft went to the premiers who had exclusive access to him, with no compensation to any other team, solely because of who his dad is. It perverts the objectives of the draft for no benefit to the competition.

I have more tolerance for the northern academies, and would be satisfied with one player per season selected outside the draft per northern team. The father-son rule cannot be made fair and should be abolished immediately.

 

[mighty_lions]

I don't have to leave my home state to watch my team play home games.

Arguably the best player available in last year's draft went to the premiers who had exclusive access to him, with no compensation to any other team, solely because of who his dad is. It perverts the objectives of the draft for no benefit to the competition.

I have more tolerance for the northern academies, and would be satisfied with one player per season selected outside the draft per northern team. The father-son rule cannot be made fair and should be abolished immediately.

its the same rules for everyone, unlike all the advantages melbourne teams have, its just so embarassing

 

[The Punter]

its the same rules for everyone, unlike all the advantages melbourne teams have, its just so embarassing

I mean, its the same advantage the LA and NY teams have in the NBA. There are easily fixable issues (like the father-son) and not easily fixable issues (the fact that the large plurality of clubs and football enthusiasts in Australia reside in Melbourne).

Having a league help decide winners on the luck of biology (sons instead of daughters) sounds more embarrassing to me.

 

[mighty_lions]

I mean, its the same advantage the LA and NY teams have in the NBA. There are easily fixable issues (like the father-son) and not easily fixable issues (the fact that the large plurality of clubs and football enthusiasts in Australia reside in Melbourne).

Having a league help decide winners on the luck of biology (sons instead of daughters) sounds more embarrassing to me.

You know you can win the premiership without a father son just like "interstate" teams can win the premiership with additional travel, an away grand final, retention issues

 

[The Punter]

You know you can win the premiership without a father son just like "interstate" teams can win the premiership with additional travel, an away grand final, retention issues

Doesn't happen that often any more. Makes it harder, is inherently unfair, entrenches structural disadvantage, and is easily fixable, unlike moving every club back to Melbourne.

And provides no discernible benefit to the competition.

 

[mighty_lions]

Doesn't happen that often any more. Makes it harder, is inherently unfair, entrenches structural disadvantage, and is easily fixable, unlike moving every club back to Melbourne.

And provides no discernible benefit to the competition.

It doesn’t happen often because everyone has had fathers sons not because you can’t win without it

 

[mighty_lions]

It doesn’t happen often because everyone has had fathers sons not because you can’t win without it

Also this topic is mute because the father son isn’t going anywhere

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'm happy to cull father-sons. The Lions are unlikely to ever get a player with such athletic sperm as Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

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