St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[Elixuh]

Kitty has claws.

But still ignored my arguments and went straight to trolling.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So no argument to the points I raised.

Just bitterness.

 

[paulige]

It’s irrelevant to my club, we have gotten our prized FS players fkr a few fourth rounders. So it’s neither here nor there for us.

It seems like if we disagree with your view that FS is a ‘meme rule’ then we are automatically trolling.

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We’re all secretly hoping the Saints F/S initiative is a raging success and the AFL abolish the rule right before it bears fruit, right?

I’ve never given two thoughts to the rule. I think it’s great there’s a Daicos at Collingwood (two, actually). And a Darcy at the dogs. Hopefully one day a Riewoldt at Saint Kilda - nostalgic as ****!

I love that our game doesn’t have to contort itself into mimicking all the americanised sports overseas.

In fact, I love it so much, if I’m ever in charge, I’ll be changing the games played threshold down to 0 - yes, as long as someone is listed by a club, his offspring shall become eligible. What a world!

 

[Elixuh]

So no argument to the points I raised.

Just bitterness.

You just keep saying the words meme rule and trolling. Not much substance to respond to old boy

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

You just keep saying the words meme rule and trolling. Not much substance to respond to old boy

Oaky

Why are you against fair payment for players bid on?

If a player is bid at pick 10, a club must get pick 10?

Nga or father son.

Why do you hate it?

 

[Elixuh]

Oaky

Why are you against fair payment for players bid on?

If a player is bid at pick 10, a club must get pick 10?

Nga or father son.

Why do you hate it?

I never said that I don’t think paying a fairer price is reasonable.

Your suggestion that you have to have the exact pick is impractical and unreasonable. Just make points matching fairer. Which the AFL is doing.

It is also HILARIOUS that your view of the rule is that if the Lions held pick 10 and bid on young [insert whatever the name of the Riewoldt kid is] at pick 10 that St Kilda would have to…what…live pick trade with us for our pick 10 which we are trying to use to draft the player.

C c c can you see any issue with that approach? Or yeah nah?

We haven’t really thought this through have we?

 

[.Shotties.]

You mean when Sydney used a cost of living allowance that was supposed to be spread across a whole playing list , on one high profile free agent yep nothing at all wrong here

Didn't happen.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I never said that I don’t think paying a fairer price is reasonable.

Your suggestion that you have to have the exact pick is impractical and unreasonable. Just make points matching fairer. Which the AFL is doing.

It is also HILARIOUS that your view of the rule is that if the Lions held pick 10 and bid on young [insert whatever the name of the Riewoldt kid is] at pick 10 that St Kilda would have to…what…live pick trade with us for our pick 10 which we are trying to use to draft the player.

C c c can you see any issue with that approach? Or yeah nah?

We haven’t really thought this through have we?

Then why did you go direct to trolling than if you felt that paying a price was reasonable?

That was the argument and yet you felt like trolling.

It's a pro league, if my club could not get pick 10 then we lose the player, it is what it is.

 

[Elixuh]

Then why did you go direct to trolling than if you felt that paying a price was reasonable?

That was the argument and yet you felt like trolling.

It's a pro league, if my club could not get pick 10 then we lose the player, it is what it is.

Address my response, stop talking about trolling. Go on. Attack the argument bro.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Address my response, stop talking about trolling. Go on. Attack the argument bro.

I did.

You have not adessed my argument at all, went straight to dissing my club and president, now have been defensive.

 

[Mat Mann]

I’m not against it, but it would be difficult. St Kilda do need to look at it differently and it’s going to take a lot of time.

Victorian clubs have equal level of opportunity of success. F/S, NGA etc are equal. One club does not have an advantage over another club.

Also, there are more opportunities to build a list than ever before. Draft, mid-season draft, rookie list, cat B rookies, pre-season signings, free agency (including compensation). Didn’t Battle just land you Tauru? Huge win!

Getting off-field right should deliver on field success. Unfortunately, St Kilda have had a number of poor drafts with high selections. Nothing to do with Academy or FS.

That's just not true

Brian Cook wrote an excellent paper and advocated on this very subject, and as CEO of Geelong at the time, I'd think he'd have a decent grasp of the difficulties.

TL;DR: It's hard for smaller clubs to compete due to varying factors.

The draft should be equal, but it isn't; you only have to look at how many picks are in the 1st round nowadays.
FA should be an option, but it isn't; statistics clearly show that more FA go to teams competing or for big games or off-field matters.
Salary cap does not enable lower teams to use that as a means to get players, not when there are so many other means to renumerate players outside the cap. You only have to look at both North and us and the $$ we are throwing at players, and they are still not coming.

Battle leaving got us pick 10, great, he's a good player, but, it's going to take another 3 years at least for Tauru to produce similar output, mybe in 3+ its a win, but right now, its a massive loss. If we lose NWM, no matter what we get in return, it will not compensate for his value to the club, a top 10-20 player in the comp in the next few years, a bonifide star and he wants home, a star weve been criticised for years for not having, now there's whispers of others wanting out to go home as well.

We've been decent in the last 4 years at the draft, the 20 or so youngsters are the best we've had in a long time
but
if we lose many more, do you see the AFL stepping in and giving us an assistance package like GCS got?? They were in a far better position than us list wise.

I know what the answer will be

 

[Elixuh]

I did.

You have not adessed my argument at all, went straight to missing my club and president, now have been defensive.

Your ‘plan’ to fix the rule makes no sense. Please explain how it makes sense. You have to live pick trade with the club that wants to pick your FS for their pick so that you can -checks notes- use that pick on the player the team who has bid wants to draft.

Do we see any issues with this approach?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Your ‘plan’ to fix the rule makes no sense. Please explain how it makes sense. You have to live pick trade with the club that wants to pick your FS for their pick so that you can -checks notes- use that pick on the player the team who has bid wants to draft.

Do we see any issues with this approach?

K

 

[Elixuh]

K

So you can’t support your arguments. Sad!

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So you can’t support your arguments. Sad!

K

You went right to trolling with my arguments so treating you how you deserve to be treated.

 

[Elixuh]

K

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

K

 

[Mat Mann]

Isn't the takeaway that it is very bizarre that it took St Kilda this long to create one? Most other clubs (GC, GWS excepted) have had some sort of F/S structure in place for a decade.

it's been around in various guises, it's just a new title and maybe a program tweak

In the name of the father

St Kilda has created a father-son induction program to improve a vital area of recruiting

www.saints.com.au

 

[Tom14]

it's been around in various guises, it's just a new title and maybe a program tweak

In the name of the father

St Kilda has created a father-son induction program to improve a vital area of recruiting

www.saints.com.au

Ah so just a press release for media consumption this week, that makes more sense.

 

[Mat Mann]

Ah so just a press release for media consumption this week, that makes more sense.

hard to know what changes they've made, but the club has made a big step this year in increasing more family involvement. This may be more of a junior program launch to involve all St Kilda players children.

I should have read the news release

A similar program used to focus purely on developing talent for the highest level, but is now built around connection.

 

[Mr Meow]

Low hanging fruit.

‘Pro rules’ in a competition that is as unequal as any in the world. Selective picking and choosing of what rules and issues the mighty sainters have convinced themselves impact them most. Ignore everything that doesn’t.

Luckily the AFL doesn’t take the Saints seriously.

But why would you make fun of his club?

 

[WillHayward]

Saints haven't had a bad run with the AFL rubbery rules.

They received overs for Battle and Gresham compo and paid unders for Windhager and Owens .

 

[Bill Crouse]

Saints haven't had a bad run with the AFL rubbery rules.

They received overs for Battle and Gresham compo and paid unders for Windhager and Owens .

Are we were still pretending that Battle is an average player? He has the 2nd most coaches votes for Hawthorn.
Harry Perryman also gave band 1 compensation to GWS last year. By the same metric he is the equal 18th best Collingwood player.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Didn't happen.

So Sydney never had a cola allowance while signing the biggest free agent at the same time?

 

[.Shotties.]

So Sydney never had a cola allowance while signing the biggest free agent at the same time?

Thats not what I said didn't happen.