St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[The Punter]

It was not a contributing factor, the actual game itself how many father sons were irrelevant and had 0 bearing on the result

This is the loser mentality Bassat has and his words in his speech reflect that.
We did not win the grand final because of our inability to play the final minutes of the first and third quarter, nothing to do with father sons such a loser mentality

Your point its hard to do is wrong, we would of won that grand final with only jaspa a fringe player if we had of played those moments better, you basically are just jumping to fathers sons looking at they have more and going ahh so they won because they have more fathers sons actually embarassing

You want to maintain rules that you benefit from, I understand that. Certainly not a loser mentality, more a grifter mentality. I just want the draft to do what it was designed to do. You argue for a compromised draft rather than the intellectually honest thing which would be to argue that the draft should just be done away with altogether. Brisbane just won the flag, I understand you would want to keep the system that enabled that. I just think you should be honest about it. I have been completely honest.

 

[mighty_lions]

You want to maintain rules that you benefit from, I understand that. Certainly not a loser mentality, more a grifter mentality. I just want the draft to do what it was designed to do. You argue for a compromised draft rather than the intellectually honest thing which would be to argue that the draft should just be done away with altogether. Brisbane just won the flag, I understand you would want to keep the system that enabled that. I just think you should be honest about it. I have been completely honest.

I am honest about it, father sons are great we have benefited from it, academies are great we benefit from it, and all the melbourne teams have many more advantages that they also benefit from which st Kilda is one of

 

[StevoJenkins]

Reading comprehension for the win! Never said can't, said it was hard. Also, Schache was drafted in the usual way.

All three of Collingwood's in 2023 were also All-Australian. One of Brisbane's was BOG. Hawkins (my memory tells me he was the prospect in the 2006 draft) dominated the GF while it was still there to be won. The three most recent examples.

It's very hard now to win one without one.

This is a little funny coming from the "say to it my face" guy. I'm responding to the tone of your posts, which seems to be all doom and gloom if you can't get father sons. And you're right, I misremembered on Schache, but Marc Murphy didn't exactly get Carlton out of the dirt either.

My point to F/S's is that there are 22 players (23 if you include the sub) on each side during the game, and it's dramatic to say either you can't win one, or it's hard to win one without a father-son on the field. That's an incredibly naive/ignorant statement to make and is ignoring so many other factors that it's laughable.

Geelong had Hawkins and Ablet in 2020. They did not win that year. Richmond did not have any father sons play in that game.

They won later against the Swans, but the Swans have some serious hoodoo in grand finals, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a contributing factor.

There are two teams in the past 10 years (one of which won 3) who did it without one, one of the teams in 3 of those grannies lost 3 times. I don't think father sons contributed to that in any way.

 

[The Punter]

I am honest about it, father sons are great we have benefited from it, academies are great we benefit from it, and all the melbourne teams have many more advantages that they also benefit from which st Kilda is one of

For the last time, St Kilda is not moving to Byron Bay.

 

[mighty_lions]

For the last time, St Kilda is not moving to Byron Bay.

what

 

[The Punter]

what

Well, how do we fix the disadvantage? Instead of creating disadvantages to address other disadvantages (the "two wrongs make a right" way of looking of things we should have taught out of us at a young age), how do we address the fact that Brisbane is in Brisbane, Perth is in Perth and Melbourne is in Melbourne?

I don't believe in creating disadvantages to address disadvantages. It just creates more problems. And the father-son rule only does that if it is designed to help the interstate teams rather than just random awfulness.

 

[mighty_lions]

Well, how do we fix the disadvantage? Instead of creating disadvantages to address other disadvantages (the "two wrongs make a right" way of looking of things we should have taught out of us at a young age), how do we address the fact that Brisbane is in Brisbane, Perth is in Perth and Melbourne is in Melbourne?

I don't believe in creating disadvantages to address disadvantages. It just creates more problems. And the father-son rule only does that if it is designed to help the interstate teams rather than just random awfulness.

well punter there's this thing called academies it addresses the advantages the victorian based clubs have, but you dont want that so you are just happy to have your advantages forever

 

[The Punter]

well punter there's this thing called academies it addresses the advantages the victorian based clubs have, but you dont want that so you are just happy to have your advantages forever

I lament for the Queensland education system.

I've said repeatedly I'd keep the northern academies, capped at one recruit per year outside the draft.

Also, I'll ask again: how would you remove our advantages?

The draft should not be used to balance disadvantage other than the only one it was designed to address: talent.

 

[mighty_lions]

I lament for the Queensland education system.

I've said repeatedly I'd keep the northern academies, capped at one recruit per year outside the draft.

Also, I'll ask again: how would you remove our advantages?

The draft should not be used to balance disadvantage other than the only one it was designed to address: talent.

I dont want to remove melbourne based teams advantages, I merely point out that they exist something your president fails to do, unless of course you want to relocate the 4 worst performing victorians teams I dont mind

 

[Mat Mann]

well punter there's this thing called academies it addresses the advantages the victorian based clubs have, but you dont want that so you are just happy to have your advantages forever

so St Kilda and North enjoy the same advantages that Carlton and Pies do??

 

[mighty_lions]

so St Kilda and North enjoy the same advantages that Carlton and Pies do??

almost the same, they have marginal advantages but none that could prevent st Kilda from being successful like your president suggested

 

[Mat Mann]

almost the same, they have marginal advantages but none that could prevent st Kilda from being successful like your president suggested

and Brisbane has no advantages other than the Academies?

 

[mighty_lions]

and Brisbane has no advantages other than the Academies?

In comparison to victorian clubs that would be correct thats why the academies exist

 

[mighty_lions]

and Brisbane has no advantages other than the Academies?

what are said other advantages I would like to hear this

 

[Mat Mann]

what are said other advantages I would like to hear this

does it matter?

if you think Collingwood and St Kilda have the same advantages, then we are never going to agree

 

[mighty_lions]

does it matter?

if you think Collingwood and St Kilda have the same advantages, then we are never going to agree

I didnt say the same, the only advantage we have is our academy and thats off set by all the advantages melbourne clubs get

 

[Mat Mann]

I didnt say the same, the only advantage we have is our academy and thats off set by all the advantages melbourne clubs get

so, a home ground the opposition play on once a year at most, isn't an advantage for the Lions, but the MCG, at which we play at most twice a year, is? Even though we've only hosted 1 final at our true home ground in over 25 years.

Color me shocked that we can't agree on anything

 

[mighty_lions]

so, a home ground the opposition play on once a year at most, isn't an advantage for the Lions, but the MCG, at which we play at most twice a year, is? Even though we've only hosted 1 final at our true home ground in over 25 years.

Color me shocked that we can't agree on anything

we've been through this already, having the grand final is an advantage for melbourne teams, you just claim it isn't even though it clearly is because it doesnt suit your narrative that st Kilda gets any advantages, if our new stadium is ready in 2032 and they said the grand final will be played at that stadium would it be an advantage for Brisbane???? of course it would be even though we would not of played any games at all in it

plus the talent all comes out of melbourne so less retention issues, plus the go home factor, plus travel

 

[mighty_lions]

so, a home ground the opposition play on once a year at most, isn't an advantage for the Lions, but the MCG, at which we play at most twice a year, is? Even though we've only hosted 1 final at our true home ground in over 25 years.

Color me shocked that we can't agree on anything

last time I checked you dont have to catch a plane and travel from melbourne to melbourne, and your fans dont have to fork out thousands of dollars on air fares and accomodation and neither does your club just to see them play in a grand final, lets have the grand final in Brisbane every year I dont mind that sound fair?????????

 

[littlecreatures]

so 1 a year, you've just answered why there needs to be academies, well done

come back to me when there's 15-20 being drafted every year consistantly

Nah mate, we’re coming back to you now when there’s at least 3 of them every first round, if not more if we include your father sons every year as a perpetuating by product of the increased salary rorts (2000s).

But hey, that was never your point though right. Your whole point was “name a player drafted from Queensland before academies” as part of the whole argument that they’d all be playing NRL. Clearly, the 40 or whatever players proves that factually incorrect.

Grow the game all you want, whether it’s Queensland (Brisbane or Gold Coast), NSW (Sydney or Greater Western Sydney), or hey let’s grow it in other regional areas (e.g., Kimberley’s, South West WA, Northern Territory), just pay your fair whack.

And, by the way, all the Vic talent doesn’t exactly return equitably to St Kilda, we don’t exactly share the 70% of talent drafted, as evidenced by Gold Coast’s spine right now - B King, Mac Andrews, Matt Rowell, Flanders, Miller, etc. Hey, let’s not mention where the Ashcroft brothers were pooled through from your rort either hey. Seems like they’re all in such a rush to return home. I wonder whose NGAs they fall under too right?

Good to see Dimma that absolute nuffy has returned to commenting on others backyards. I guess he must miss marvel.

The rorts continue right all under the guise that we’re all growing the game (AFL commercial interest).

 

[littlecreatures]

we've been through this already, having the grand final is an advantage for melbourne teams, you just claim it isn't even though it clearly is because it doesnt suit your narrative that st Kilda gets any advantages, if our new stadium is ready in 2032 and they said the grand final will be played at that stadium would it be an advantage for Brisbane???? of course it would be even though we would not of played any games at all in it

plus the talent all comes out of melbourne so less retention issues, plus the go home factor, plus travel

Your side plays more games at the ‘G you absolute nuffy

 

[mighty_lions]

Your side plays more games at the ‘G you absolute nuffy

I didnt realise Brisbane was in melbourne, travelling doesnt exist and cost, must not of cost me thousands of dollars to see my team in the grand final let alone the cost to our club and families, happy to have the grand final in Brisbane every year

keep on minimising your advantages and playing the victim with loser mentality

If you think a st Kilda vs brisbane grand final in melbourne would not be an advantage then you are an idiot

 

[mighty_lions]

Nah mate, we’re coming back to you now when there’s at least 3 of them every first round, if not more if we include your father sons every year as a perpetuating by product of the increased salary rorts (2000s).

But hey, that was never your point though right. Your whole point was “name a player drafted from Queensland before academies” as part of the whole argument that they’d all be playing NRL. Clearly, the 40 or whatever players proves that factually incorrect.

Grow the game all you want, whether it’s Queensland (Brisbane or Gold Coast), NSW (Sydney or Greater Western Sydney), or hey let’s grow it in other regional areas (e.g., Kimberley’s, South West WA, Northern Territory), just pay your fair whack.

And, by the way, all the Vic talent doesn’t exactly return equitably to St Kilda, we don’t exactly share the 70% of talent drafted, as evidenced by Gold Coast’s spine right now - B King, Mac Andrews, Matt Rowell, Flanders, Miller, etc. Hey, let’s not mention where the Ashcroft brothers were pooled through from your rort either hey. Seems like they’re all in such a rush to return home. I wonder whose NGAs they fall under too right?

Good to see Dimma that absolute nuffy has returned to commenting on others backyards. I guess he must miss marvel.

The rorts continue right all under the guise that we’re all growing the game (AFL commercial interest).

have you been drinking again, your coach literally cant stop talking about Gold Coast they live rent free in his head and so does the Ashcrofts in bassats

 

[Here we go dogs]

I didnt realise Brisbane was in melbourne, travelling doesnt exist and cost, must not of cost me thousands of dollars to see my team in the grand final let alone the cost to our club and families, happy to have the grand final in Brisbane every year

keep on minimising your advantages and playing the victim with loser mentality

If you think a st Kilda vs brisbane grand final in melbourne would not be an advantage then you are an idiot

The grand final might be a slight advantage against an interstate side.

But try playing a qualifying, semi or prelim at your oppositions home venue ie bulldogs last year against the hawks at the ‘g in a elim (where the mcg tenant is always going to have more support due to mcc).

The marvel tenants are the most disadvantaged teams for the entirety of the season.

Maybe Brisbane should play finals at Carrara ?

 

[mighty_lions]

The grand final might be a slight advantage against an interstate side.

But try playing a qualifying, semi or prelim at your oppositions home venue ie bulldogs last year against the hawks at the ‘g in a elim (where the mcg tenant is always going to have more support due to mcc).

The marvel tenants are the most disadvantaged teams for the entirety of the season.

Maybe Brisbane should play finals at Carrara ?

It’s not a slight advantage it’s a massive advantage that’s here for the next 50 years, Finals at Carrara would be illogical, but if they had a 100k stadium that would be most full then yes I would be happy to play it there