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I agree. Bizarre concept and would be a nightmare maintaining it. At least with steel & concrete is pretty much maintenace free.

What I'm curious about is apparently wooden stands were banned after the Bradford City fire - wonder how they get around that? Unless the wood is treated in a way that prevents it catching fire maybe?
 
I doubt they would make a stadium out of Merbau :p

The structure would likely be glue laminated timber which is incredibly strong and lightweight compared to concrete or steel and has (surprisingly) a higher fire resistance level than steel beams do. It's also a sustainable material that can be renewable (through replanting) rather than steel which uses up the finite supply of iron ore on the planet. Add to that the fact it looks pretty incredible compared to steel structures and you'll see a much greater use of timber in high rise/massive structures into the future.

Cheers for the info elhadji, you seem to be in the know haha. Do you work in the industry or something?
 
What I'm curious about is apparently wooden stands were banned after the Bradford City fire - wonder how they get around that? Unless the wood is treated in a way that prevents it catching fire maybe?
The technological advancements of cross laminated timber (which is what this would be built from) means that timber can hold its structural integrity in a fire for longer than steel does. Steel reaches a critical point and fails while laminated timber beams can withstand hours of fire before collapsing. For thinner timber structures such as seating etc they will probably still use steel framing, but these huge structural beams will be more fire resistant than an equivalent steel one.
 
The technological advancements of cross laminated timber (which is what this would be built from) means that timber can hold its structural integrity in a fire for longer than steel does. Steel reaches a critical point and fails while laminated timber beams can withstand hours of fire before collapsing. For thinner timber structures such as seating etc they will probably still use steel framing, but these huge structural beams will be more fire resistant than an equivalent steel one.

What about non structural timber? How is that in terms of fire resistance eg for timber outer walls?
 

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What about non structural timber? How is that in terms of fire resistance eg for timber outer walls?
Hard to tell without knowing what kind of timber it is. The beams I can be fairly sure I know what they will use but all that decorative timber they will choose based on its aesthetics and probably building code compliance which will include fire/termite/weather resistance etc etc.
 
Hard to tell without knowing what kind of timber it is. The beams I can be fairly sure I know what they will use but all that decorative timber they will choose based on its aesthetics and probably building code compliance which will include fire/termite/weather resistance etc etc.

Wouldn't timber require constant maintenance?
 
Wouldn't timber require constant maintenance?
Depends on what kind of timber it is. Certain timbers can be left completely untreated and last for years. There's also a possibility they end up using a composite timber which is made of woodchips combined with resin from recycled plastic that looks like timber but has a much longer lifespan. Those particular architects are at the forefront of technological advancement so I'd imagine they may would be using some pretty advanced material rather than the same old timbers we have been using for years.
 
Not if you used high quality wood like merbau and maintained it by painting / staining it regularly. Shitload of work though!!

Nothing compared to the Harbour Bridge. They need to paint it almost all year round apparently.
 
What's the problem with using steel? How does it impact the environment in a way that wood wouldn't?

Just seems odd to me haha.
Steel production is probably more harmful.
 
Quite a lot of steel used in construction is recycled these days though.
It has a lot to do with something called "embodied energy" though, which is basically all the energy use and CO2 output that is involved in the production of a material. Steel manufacturing and recycling uses far more embodied energy than timber does, meaning that replacing steel with timber in construction has massive environmental benefits.
 

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That's some really interesting insights into wood (never thought I'd say that haha).

Does that mean it's possible future skyscrapers, apartment buildings and other large scale buildings may potentially use wood (in preference to steel) in future elhadjihenry - or is it really only suitable in some certain applications?
 
That's some really interesting insights into wood (never thought I'd say that haha).

Does that mean it's possible future skyscrapers, apartment buildings and other large scale buildings may potentially use wood (in preference to steel) in future elhadjihenry - or is it really only suitable in some certain applications?
They are already doing it, there's a 10 storey apartment building in the docklands (https://www.woodsolutions.com.au/Inspiration-Case-Study/forte-living) that uses wood for all the structural members and they are gradually building taller and taller buildings out of timber. The docklands one was previously the tallest in the world but there is one in Canada which is currently under construction that is 17 stories high.
 
They are already doing it, there's a 10 storey apartment building in the docklands (https://www.woodsolutions.com.au/Inspiration-Case-Study/forte-living) that uses wood for all the structural members and they are gradually building taller and taller buildings out of timber. The docklands one was previously the tallest in the world but there is one in Canada which is currently under construction that is 17 stories high.

That's amazing! I work pretty close to Docklands - might need to go have a gander one day. Possibly already seen it without even realising it was primarily made from wood (so many apartment buildings :p).
 
Starting to take shape now. Really hope the kop style stand can make it work and not be an atmosphere wasteland like the Emirates is now.

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Starting to take shape now. Really hope the kop style stand can make it work and not be an atmosphere wasteland like the Emirates is now.

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Loving that. We will have a stadium that will be the envy of London. In fact the whole country. Can't wait
 

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Leave them to their new stadiums bro.
New stadiums sound great in theory until you get there and realise you've sacrificed a lot of history, memories and atmosphere for little benefit.

Unless those memories are of mediocrity or worse.
 
You blokes finished?
Blimey, a fella can't post update photos in peace :( :p

Your new setup does look good. It will set you back financially short term though. Look at Arsenal post Emirates Stadium - if they didn't have Wenger's nous in the transfer market they really would've struggled considering how little they could spend.
 
Your new setup does look good. It will set you back financially short term though. Look at Arsenal post Emirates Stadium - if they didn't have Wenger's nous in the transfer market they really would've struggled considering how little they could spend.
depends on what comes as a result. NFL deal looks likely, rumours of an Arsenal-Emirates style naming rights emerging with Nike who are keen for a presence in the area. but it's the NFL that's the point of difference, genuine non-football revenue.

That said we're doing ok in recent seasons on limited budgets so I'm not overly worried. If it happens it happens.
 
depends on what comes as a result. NFL deal looks likely, rumours of an Arsenal-Emirates style naming rights emerging with Nike who are keen for a presence in the area. but it's the NFL that's the point of difference, genuine non-football revenue.

That said we're doing ok in recent seasons on limited budgets so I'm not overly worried. If it happens it happens.

Long term you'll be far better off obviously. Short term there will be pain unless you can get an Oligarch owner who's happy to fund a new stadium out of their own pocket.
 

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