Opinion #standdowneddie?

[Good_Old]

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
And I would liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

 

[ppoiter]

I still don't know what the debacle is

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Pretty astonishing that so many of you can't see what a clusterf*ck the whole Gubby situation is. The club brought in a guy under investigation for serious misconduct while blatantly lying to everyone about their true intentions for his role at the club, demoted and then lost an experienced operator as a result, leaving the club possibly with neither at a time that the club's on-field performance and recruiting are under serious, and well-deserved, scrutiny.

 

[frizzle]

Pretty astonishing that so many of you can't see what a clusterf*ck the whole Gubby situation is. The club brought in a guy under investigation for serious misconduct while blatantly lying to everyone about their true intentions for his role at the club, demoted and then lost an experienced operator as a result, leaving the club possibly with neither at a time that the club's on-field performance and recruiting are under serious, and well-deserved, scrutiny.

Exactly. Thanks for telling it like it is.

 

[frizzle]

Pretty astonishing that so many of you can't see what a clusterf*ck the whole Gubby situation is. The club brought in a guy under investigation for serious misconduct while blatantly lying to everyone about their true intentions for his role at the club, demoted and then lost an experienced operator as a result, leaving the club possibly with neither at a time that the club's on-field performance and recruiting are under serious, and well-deserved, scrutiny.

As usual, nobody at board level will be held to account for this either.

 

[76woodenspooners]

If Gubby does get banned the Collingwood management has a serious case to answer, ...

The word "If" is the key one in that sentence, and the reason why most in this thread are chortling like giggling gerties.

... anyone who denies that is so naive its absurd.

Nobody seems to be denying that?

 

[jdpie]

Pretty astonishing that so many of you can't see what a clusterf*ck the whole Gubby situation is. The club brought in a guy under investigation for serious misconduct while blatantly lying to everyone about their true intentions for his role at the club, demoted and then lost an experienced operator as a result, leaving the club possibly with neither at a time that the club's on-field performance and recruiting are under serious, and well-deserved, scrutiny.

Consider for a moment that it was another club in this position. We would be laughing at the incompetence displayed by such club. When the Essendon fiasco commenced we were (correct me if i am wrong in my recollection) pretty unified in thinking that there was a significant lack of governance displayed by the Essendon board and senior management team. Albeit this is an external issue the notion of governance and good management procedure is still applicable in the appointment of effectively the highest role in the football department (therefore the club given football is what we do apparently). There is an abject failure in this instance and the magnitude is such (even without Gubby being found guilty and getting a suspension - which in viewing my taro cards will happen) that i want to hear Eddie and Gary's "mea culpa". Is it possible for us to have a pre season where we are not dragged into the mire by those that are empowered to improve the club on our behalf ?

 

[Jasper84]

But GWS as a club are surely going to face greater sanctions than anyone for systematic manipulation of an Anti Drug Code?

Oh look, a tumbleweed filled with crickets!

 

[76woodenspooners]

This statement is poorly worded and very wishy washy - says nothing.

Some might say that that makes it a good statement?

Someone is arse covering me thinks.

Are there any other possible reasons to release a statement?

"Had concluded or were concluding".. Which one is it?

I took that to mean that one had concluded (eg: GWS) and the other was concluding (eg: AFL, or vice versa)

Was Gubby himself still being investigated?

The statement does clearly address that one in the second line ...

"The Collingwood Football Club was made aware by Graeme Allan, prior to his recruitment, that he is one of the subjects of an AFL investigation that relates to his time with Greater Western Sydney."

For what? The statement raises several questions and answers none.

It's not the club's place to publicise allegations or any details of an investigation that it has nothing to do with.

Further, if it did so, there is a real risk that some of folks reading it not being able to tell the difference between "Gubby allegedly held up a bank" and "Gubby held up a bank". The very existence of this thread is evidence of that.

If at the time if his hiring Gubby remained under investigation and the club hired him, then heads should role.

I don't think it's so black and white. If ASADA , the AFL and the anti-terrorist unit all reported tomorrow that they've been actively investigating this over the last 18 months, and had now concluded that there is no case to answer, do you think heads should roll?

If the investigation was concluded and our DD indicated that Gubby had no case to answer, then there's nothing to talk about.

DD?

 

[The Dawes]

Do you think I could get a six pack of Coopers on the PBS?

Yes, but only for the Pale, Sparkling & Stout.

 

[Pdid]

change happens all the time. People don't like it but it does. Get used to it. If you sacked someone whenever there was change perceived negatively there'd be no one left. One door closes another opens

 

[Bad Horse]

Yes, but only for the Pale, Sparkling & Stout.

But what if my doctor insisted my condition required the sweet sweet nectar of a dark ale? How could those damn fat cats in Canberra deny me my medicine?

 

[The Dawes]

Probably better to wait for the outcome of the investigation before we gather our pitchforks & burning torches and head towards the Holden Centre, but I agree with everyone who has said that if Gubby is guilty and gets suspended, that this has been a massive balls up by the club.

 

[The Dawes]

But what if my doctor insisted my condition required the sweet sweet nectar of a dark ale? How could those damn fat cats in Canberra deny me my medicine?

whatever the dark ale could do, I firmly believe the Stout could do even better.... so you'd need to change doctors.

 

[ant22]

I don't think anyone can deny the amazing job Eddie has done over the last 2 decades. The club was a basket case when he took over.

Having said that I am starting to think it might be time for a change. Providing of course their is someone good to replace him.

The club has made alot of poor decisions since 2010 and I feel as though everyone is in each others pockets and their is a real lack of accountability.

As a club they having been talking a very big game but at the moment are not delivering.

2 decades is a hell of a long time to be doing the job and its amazing he has been able to sustain the strong off field results. I am grateful for what he has done but would not be against some fresh changes.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Win games, things better....
This whole Allan thing, let's not jump guns, might be minor or non event.
Club knew, judged it not vital, Allan with us. What will be will be.

But I thought the majority around these parts wanted the whole Gubby thing.... seems that has gone to ground...

Get in better football players, we will improve

 

[76woodenspooners]

wicksy however you feel, whatever the rights or wrongs of the great gubbyness conundrum, Ed won't ever resign, retire, remove himself.

Whether Ed is right or wrong, he sees himself and Collingwood entwined, and he defines himself as Collingwood. This is just my opinion.

This to me is a separate issue. But unless there is a challenge, a new board, Ed ain't going anywhere. Won't happen.

Ed's term as President is up in a couple months, and he will be going up in front of the membership to seek another term.

Granted, he seems to be unopposed (to date) **

Granted, in a room of around 500 Collingwood members, there is bound to be at least one person who will second his nomination.

What will save Ed in this case is that he is no dill. While we're all getting our knickers in a twist over a Caroline Wilson opinion piece, he will have long ago spoken to folks in the know about how long this will take, what stage it is up to, what the likely sanctions would be in the event that somebody was found to do something wrong, etc, etc.

Should our Club be captive to any one person, now that is another entirely different question? There was Collingwood before Ed, there was Collingwood during a Eds time, there will be Collingwood long after Ed leaves this mortal coil.

North Korea were asking themselves the same question 60 years ago under Kim Il Sung and two generations later they're still asking it

 

[PicaBoo]

Probably better to wait for the outcome of the investigation before we gather our pitchforks & burning torches and head towards the Holden Centre, but I agree with everyone who has said that if Gubby is guilty and gets suspended, that this has been a massive balls up by the club.

Club will come out with a statement like this. "At the time of hiring Gubby didn't disclose the full extent of his GWS activities. AFL couldn't confirm anything but that he was indeed subject of an investigation. With that, the club made a judgement call in good faith based upon the information provided and saw no reason not to employ him."

 

[The Dawes]

Club will come out with a statement like this. "At the time of hiring Gubby didn't disclose the full extent of his GWS activities. AFL couldn't confirm anything but that he was indeed subject of an investigation. With that, the club made a judgement call in good faith based upon the information provided and saw no reason not to employ him."

Yes, an arse-covering exercise.

 

[wicksy]

The word "If" is the key one in that sentence, and the reason why most in this thread are chortling like giggling gerties.



Nobody seems to be denying that?

You sound like half the Essendon twits that banged on about Hird's innocence until the day he was executed even though the evidence was stacked.
Seriously expected better from you to be honest.

 

[Bad Horse]

whatever the dark ale could do, I firmly believe the Stout could do even better.... so you'd need to change doctors.

You see, this is the kind of false equivalence, specious reasoning that leads to people considering ponies and horses to be essentially the same thing. Where as we all know, one is in fact the noblest of creatures, strong, loyal and intelligent, where the other is the pure work of Satan and likely to kill your whole family while capering about wearing your intestines as earrings like a cute, photogenic version of Ivan Milat. (Christopher Pyne comes to mind here).

So let us have no more of this piffle. The Dark Ale is a thing of restrained power and beauty, bringing together chocolate and coffee notes with a soft and controlled bitterness that harkens to a more robust and yet simpler and more pure age when father knew best and would take you to the woodshed for a beating if you missed a sitter from the goal square (and to digress, if only Damir Cloke had taken this approach with Travis...sigh...) ,drop kicks were still unleashed by fullbacks and nobody had heard of a ****ing zone let alone tried to employ one.

Whereas the uncompromising floodtide of roasted malt and tobacco flavours of the Stout, masked in typical cunning fashion by that lingering silken mouthfeel, corrupts and overpowers the unwary, much as the inherent evil of the pony devours the souls of the righteous while tricking them into inaction through its superficially cute and cuddly demeanour. Only fools and One Nation supporters would make that mistake.

I ask you Mr Dawes, if that is truly your name and not Captain Fluttershy...would you feed your Children Stout, or allow them into the presence of the juvineliquine terror that strikes from its stable like a bloodthristy chainsaw intent on death and blood and tax relief for merchant bankers? I think not.

But a nice calming dark ale, and a proper horse. That is a match made in heaven. In fact, as it's 8:45 am, I think it's time for me to have my breakfast 6 pack as I have been since I was a tacker, and go for a long hack through the mountains. This, Sir, is what I stand for. Ok, so maybe I stand for about half a second and then I fall over, but the important thing is I stand.

Skol.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Oh shit. The sky is falling. Everybody run!!!!

 

[The Dawes]

You see, this is the kind of false equivalence, specious reasoning that leads to people considering ponies and horses to be essentially the same thing. Where as we all know, one is in fact the noblest of creatures, strong, loyal and intelligent, where the other is the pure work of Satan and likely to kill your whole family while capering about wearing your intestines as earrings like a cute, photogenic version of Ivan Milat. (Christopher Pyne comes to mind here).

So let us have no more of this piffle. The Dark Ale is a thing of restrained power and beauty, bringing together chocolate and coffee notes with a soft and controlled bitterness that harkens to a more robust and yet simpler and more pure age when father knew best and would take you to the woodshed for a beating if you missed a sitter from the goal square (and to digress, if only Damir Cloke had taken this approach with Travis...sigh...) ,drop kicks were still unleashed by fullbacks and nobody had heard of a ******* zone let alone tried to employ one.

Whereas the uncompromising floodtide of roasted malt and tobacco flavours of the Stout, masked in typical cunning fashion by that lingering silken mouthfeel, corrupts and overpowers the unwary, much as the inherent evil of the pony devours the souls of the righteous while tricking them into inaction through its superficially cute and cuddly demeanour. Only fools and One Nation supporters would make that mistake.

I ask you Mr Dawes, if that is truly your name and not Captain Fluttershy...would you feed your Children Stout, or allow them into the presence of the juvineliquine terror that strikes from its stable like a bloodthristy chainsaw intent on death and blood and tax relief for merchant bankers? I think not.

But a nice calming dark ale, and a proper horse. That is a match made in heaven. In fact, as it's 8:45 am, I think it's time for me to have my breakfast 6 pack as I have been since I was a tacker, and go for a long hack through the mountains. This, Sir, is what I stand for. Ok, so maybe I stand for about half a second and then I fall over, but the important thing is I stand.

Skol.

I love the stout and the kids can't get enough of it.

 

[Bad Horse]

I love the stout and the kids can't get enough of it.

From now on I will call you Captain Fluttershy.

 

[magpies2013]

must say it was quite enjoyable filling in the membership survey. it is good to let them know what you actually think of the on and off field performances.