Opinion #standdowneddie?

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Would like to see someone like John Wylie or John Brumby join the board.

Avid Collingwood fans but each would have the inclination to challenge Ed when needed.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

wicksy I was a bit hard on you last night in this thread. Having slept on it, I agree that the current situation is far from ideal.

For Allen, I'm glad he replaced Balme as I don't think the footy department seems to have been doing a great job under Balme but if he is suspended, that will obviously have been a misstep.

For Eddie, I think the good has far outweighed the bad, but I agree that he should be looking to tee up a succession plan now. 20 years is long enough. Pert has been CEO for nearly 10 years, and you hope there is a succession plan that has been worked up for him as well (not necessarily a Buckley-Malthouse style plan with a set time frame, but a successor identified and being trained up).

 

[PicaBoo]

Does there need to be another "Adam Goodes" event for us to question his time as president?
Why shouldn't it be the accumulation of f@#$ ups that he's overseen.

I'm starting to wonder if you're on the payroll to be honest.
Usually such an astute poster, able to see 360 degrees on most topics, you seem to be taking this personally.

Talking about taking things personally, you start to show signs of it too.
If this is supposed to be a discussion forum, why go for the person when you don't like what you are hearing?

 

[Maggie5]

Was Eddie a board member when he challenged?

Good question, not sure if he was. Someone else may be able to confirm.

 

[MagpieJoel]

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Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

Mark Korda would probably be a good candidate as CEO or possibly as President.

Doubt he will want to be CEO though, considering he runs a successful business.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

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Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

You are spot on.

Regardless Ed is Collngwood in his mind; he won't go anywhere.
He would be filled with horror and shock if even challenged.
And if he lost, he would be inconsolable.
Just my take.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Does there need to be another "Adam Goodes" event for us to question his time as president?
Why shouldn't it be the accumulation of f@#$ ups that he's overseen.

If people expected Ed to stand down over the Goodes thing, or the Caroline Wilson drowning thing, that seems reasonable enough. The fans / members have values, they have the evidence in front of them and they form an opinion.

The Gubby Allen thing is just a bunch of stuff in the paper at this stage.

I'm starting to wonder if you're on the payroll to be honest.

I offered to sell my opinions to the club for two cents a piece, but they politely told me that they couldn't fit me under the equalisation threshold

Usually such an astute poster, able to see 360 degrees on most topics, ...

Oh stop it, you!

...you seem to be taking this personally.

Oh, you did

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I am no doubt, regarded as a very pro Nathan Buckley poster.
This is true because I have no issue with him being coach.
Others do, that's fair enough, we all see things differently.
But I am very (very!) comfortable about our coach.

Yet from this positivity I have long advocated that having one person only as president, in some ways for life, isnot a healthy thing.
Should Ed move on? Perhaps, renewal is ok, and we as a club should be able to flourish anyway.
Good luck to Ed and all that, but unsure being president for 30 or 40 years is a terrific thing.

Just my opinion.
Overall happy enough.

 

[wicksy]

If people expected Ed to stand down over the Goodes thing, or the Caroline Wilson drowning thing, that seems reasonable enough. The fans / members have values, they have the evidence in front of them and they form an opinion.

The Gubby Allen thing is just a bunch of stuff in the paper at this stage.



I offered to sell the my opinions to the club for two cents, but they politely told me that they couldn't fit me under equalisation threshold



Oh stop it, you!

Oh, you did

Haha... See that's better!!

 

[JB1975]

I'm not in this for "Kudos" so let's just ignore that statement.
I am a big believer that where there's smoke there's fire and there is no debate around the fact that Eddie hired a man, while under investigation by ASADA and the AFL, and it's now starting to impact the reputation of our club.

Adam Goodes
Jessica Rowe "boning"
Drowning Caroline Wilson
Hiring a man under investigation by ASADA at a time where drugs in sport is blinding

I don't even care if Gubby is found "innocent"... The fact we've been dragged into the sh@# again by our president is enough to warrant this thread in my opinion.

I just want to express some sympathy for your position. I don't think that there's a better advocate for the Collingwood Football Club than Edward, but he also has some limitations, and there was always an element of risk in bringing Gubby back. I've often wondered how much the influence of Ed might obscure an objective assessment of Buckley's coaching, despite not having any reasonable grounds for such concern.

But the Gubby risk might yet pay off, and in any case I don't think that our current instability would be much improved by letting Ed walk into the sunset, or leading him to it.

 

[jackcass]

Would like to see someone like John Wylie or John Brumby join the board.

Avid Collingwood fans but each would have the inclination to challenge Ed when needed.

Assumes the current Board don't challenge. Ultimately they're responsible for the club and to the members so in that situation I certainly wouldn't be prepared to simply rubber stamp Eddy's every whim. All strong characters so I doubt they would either.

 

[76woodenspooners]

People hate change... I'm not taking anything personally... I do think the conversation had to be had.
The general consensus is that it's an overreaction based on one event but the fact is, this is another mistake in a LONG list of mistakes made by the man in charge. Everyone else's heads are rolling except his and I think it's time to at least ask the question... Could a fresh face do better?

If that had been the premise of your OP then you would have found me a bit more supportive.

That's very different to having the President stand down over what a journalist has written in the papers.

Consider: Do you want our Football Club to be so weak that a journalist has the power to pull down the club President by writing an article about something that hasn't even been fully investigated yet?

 

[MagpieJoel]

None of these questions were in your OP.

You're talking like you know all the facts. You don't. Some of us just prefer to wait to the facts are clear before passing judgement.

Are you happy with the club being dragged into the sh@# again by our president?

Do you think any other club's president (save for Koshy) would have made such a poor decision?

I will give Ed the benefit of the doubt until it's proven that he has done anything wrong.

Is Eddie's head a little too fat with power lately?

Is this comment really necessary? It's a pot shot.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Was a mock of the "StandbyHird" hash tag and potentially should have had a question mark at the end of it.

If you want it to have a "?" after it then you can report your OP and ask one of the friendly mods to change it. They can even add a poll if you give them a poll question and some options

 

[Vicky Park]

You are spot on.

Regardless Ed is Collngwood in his mind; he won't go anywhere.
He would be filled with horror and shock if even challenged.
And if he lost, he would be inconsolable.
Just my take.

This is an admirable sentiment SV, but Edie's happiness is not the issue here. The proper running of the club, and astute planning for our future, are significantly more important than Ed's feelings.

When he was in trouble earlier in the year, and having 'thoughts' about his future, it was reported that he consulted his sons about what he should do. And, surprise surprise, the boys encouraged him to stay on as Pres.

I thought at the time, what the bloody hell? The future of my club being influenced by a couple of privileged teenage boys!

 

[jackcass]

Unfortunately i think there is a fair chance that the perception is that the Board acquiesce to Eddies whims. This would be even more so in relation to Football related issues. Do we have an "Andy Gowers" on our board ? At Hawthorn there has, for the period of their sustained success, been a board member who has direct knowledge and active participation in the running of the footy department. The filtering of football information to the board is through this individual. My knowledge of the Pies structure is that Eddie and Gary have significant dabbling of fingers in the football pie (so to speak). Maybe this is a change that can happen sooner rather than later (if not already in place) ?

I'm not too fussed by peoples perceptions. If someone has actual first hand knowledge and is willing to share, that's a different matter. I don't doubt Ed and Perty would be keen to push their agendas but doubt the current Board are mere puppets. Legally, they're responsible for the club and to the members so more fool them if they are.

 

[jdpie]

Mark Korda would probably be a good candidate as CEO or possibly as President.

Doubt he will want to be CEO though, considering he runs a successful business.

Joel, Mark would struggle to get to all the mandatory board meetings let alone "donate" all the other hours you need to as Pres. In this context, amongst others, Ed has been amazing. What was the catch cry of the Whitlam campaign (It's time ?) ? Just hope that Ed knows when it is and we can have a clean transition because, as stated by others, the constant time in the papers is becoming very tiresome. We must stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[jdpie]

I'm not too fussed by peoples perceptions. If someone has actual first hand knowledge and is willing to share, that's a different matter. I don't doubt Ed and Perty would be keen to push their agendas but doubt the current Board are mere puppets. Legally, they're responsible for the club and to the members so more fool them if they are.

Are the governance rules of public companies the same as sporting clubs ? I am of the understanding that there are some significant differences in regards to personal accountability. Being on the board of Collingwood carries some significant benefit but at this moment there must be some angst amongst board member as to their "guilt by association". The appointment of Gubby doesn't carry great optics right now.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Joel, Mark would struggle to get to all the mandatory board meetings let alone "donate" all the other hours you need to as Pres..

I agree, just saying that he would be a good candidate, but obviously business interests would be his priority.

 

[noideaatall]

Eddie is a very powerful and popular person with, from outside appearances, the board and Collingwood hierarchy behind him. No one is going to step up and challenge him to look like a fool. Off field is going well so alternatives won't crop up until the on-field/footy department situation is obviously a mess. Any challenge then will be divisive. I'm sure there are viable alternatives to Eddie, we just won't know about them until the opportune moment. For this reason I would like Eddie to announce his intended retirement after the next three year period.

 

[THATSGOLD]

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Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

All worse options than Eddie and we will be in worse shape in 5 year from now if he isn't there. I'll say that much.

 

[jackcass]

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Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

This is a little long winded but I thought people should get some perspective of the pushovers we've got on our Board...

Alex Waislitz:

Waislitz completed a Law and Commerce Degree at Monash University, Melbourne in 1979 and is a Graduate of the Owner/President Management Program of the Harvard Business School.

Waislitz has extensive business and capital markets experience and has been a member of several public company Boards of directors. He is currently Director of various Pratt Group and Visy Board companies.

Founder (1991) and executive director (1991–2009) of Thorney Investment Group which invests in public securities, private companies and property, and has close connection to the Pratt family investments. Thorney specialises in emerging companies across a broad range of industries including Manufacturing, Technology, Mining Services and Resources. In 2016 the Australian Taxation Office revealed that the company had paid no tax in 2013-14, despite revenue of $430 million.

Director (1998–2009) of Collingwood Football Club[5] and Vice President (2009)

Member of the International Advisory Board for Master of Business Administration (MBA) at Ben-Gurion University School of Management[6]

Waislitz is also a movie producer. He has produced movies such as Hotel de Love & Joey.

Alisa Camplin-Warner:

Is an Australian aerial skier who won gold at the 2002 Winter Olympics, the second ever winter Olympic gold medal for Australia. At the 2006 Winter Olympics, Camplin finished third to receive a bronze medal. She is the first Australian skier to win medals at consecutive Winter Olympics, making her one of Australia's best skiers.

Camplin announced her retirement from competition in July 2006. She intends to pursue interests in the media and in the ski travel industry.

As of 30 July 2006, she is an international executive for IBM, works as a motivational speaker, and does promotional and charity work. Camplin currently works as a senior executive at IBM managing a team of over 300 people. She has been the face of Wrigley's Extra chewing gum in Australia since shortly after the 2002 Winter Olympics. She is also a judge on the Australian television competition Torvill and Dean's Dancing on Ice, and runs Alisa Camplin Ski Tours.

On 4 November 2009, Alisa Camplin was one of 15 international torchbearers taking part in the relay's International media program, aimed at increasing global coverage of the cross-Canada relay. She ran on day 6 of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic torch relay through the town of Dawson City in the Yukon Territory.

On 8 December 2009, It was announced that Alisa has joined the Collingwood Football Club board as a replacement for Sally Capp.

Christine Holgate - Chief Executive Officer & Managing Director - Blackmores

Christine has more than 30 years of diverse international leadership experience in highly regulated industries, including healthcare, media, telecommunications and finance. Christine was appointed to her current role as Blackmores Chief Executive Officer in November 2008.

She has more than 20 years public board experience as either a Non-Executive Director or CEO and has held senior management positions in Asia, the Americas and Australia. Christine’s prime responsibilities have been leading teams through significant change to deliver growth and expansion in Asia. Christine has three post-graduate diplomas and a Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA).

Christine is the inaugural Chair of the Board of the Australia-ASEAN Council, supporting the development of trade and cultural relations between Australia and the 10 member countries of the ASEAN region. She also serves on the Board of Collingwood Football Club and was a Non-Executive Director of Ten Network Holdings Limited for five years, retiring in December 2015.

In 2015 Christine was recognised in the top 100 Women of Influence in Australia by the Australian Financial Review and named CEO of the Year by CEO Magazine/CEO Institute (she was the first female to win this award). She was also named the highest performing CEO in Australia by the Daily Telegraph and received the Australian Growth Company Award for Women in Leadership. In 2013 Christine was honoured with the Rotary Paul Harris Award in recognition of her charitable work.

Mark Korda – Partner KordaMentha

Mark Korda is one of Australia’s leading specialists in business recovery and restructuring. He is probably best known for his administration of Ansett - Australia’s largest ever administration - with Partner Mark Mentha. In addition to his insolvency credentials, Mark also has considerable real estate experience, having been involved with the acquisition of 50 hotels for a company, aggregating a 5,000 block subdivision and the sale and restructure of numerous property portfolios.

Before founding KordaMentha in 2002, Mark enjoyed a 24-year career with Andersen during which he held the positions of Director of Corporate Finance, Managing Partner Asia Pacific Corporate Recovery Services Practice, Managing Partner of the firm’s Accounting and Audit Practice in Australia as well as Member of the Australian Executive Committee and Board of Partners.

Paul Leeds

For over 30 years, Paul Leeds, the CEO of Starcom, has held senior executive positions in the highly competitive Australian advertising industry. From Media Director to Board Director, Managing Director and ultimately Chairman of DDB Needham Melbourne for over 21 years, Leeds is the only media executive in Australia to have held the position of Chairman of an advertising agency.

He established his own successful media company in 1992 and then formed a strategic alliance with AIS Media in 1994. He was ultimately appointed CEO of AIS Media Australia in December 2000.

Leeds was elected to the VRC Committee in 2002 and maintains a keen interest in the Thoroughbred Racing and Breeding industry. He has raced a number of winners over the years including Marwong (five wins – Group One winner), Greyfille (four wins – Group 2 winner) and Be Reasonable (eight wins – Group Placed). He has had over 50 winners to date and last year bred and raced a listed winner at Flemington (Magic Bird).

Ian McMullin:

Is a Director of McMullin Group as well as being the Managing Director of McMullin Property with a wealth of experience in management and investments.

Ian’s past experience includes Senior Management roles at the Spotless Group, an ASX listed company, Director of Operations of Compass Group Australia and Director of Life’s A Party Group. Ian has a broad network throughout Australia’s business community.

Clearly just a bunch of puppets...

 

[jackcass]

Does there need to be another "Adam Goodes" event for us to question his time as president?
Why shouldn't it be the accumulation of f@#$ ups that he's overseen.

I'm starting to wonder if you're on the payroll to be honest.
Usually such an astute poster, able to see 360 degrees on most topics, you seem to be taking this personally.

Has Eddy slighted you in some way? This seems way too personal, do you have CFC Presidential aspirations?

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

He is out of ideas and should go. He admitted that he nearly resigned this year, well if you are thinking about retiring, you are cooked.

He has also admitted that since they equalized the footy dept spending the club has lost its advantage and he has come up with nothing new.

It is not healthy for one person to run something for this long, it results in a cult of personality, crushes opposing voices and generally leads to cronyism and decay. Fact is, every director is hand chosen, every time a new director goes their replacement is via the casual vacancy option.

Fish rots from the head down.

 

[jdpie]

This is a little long winded but I thought people should get some perspective of the pushovers we've got on our Board...

Alex Waislitz:

Waislitz completed a Law and Commerce Degree at Monash University, Melbourne in 1979 and is a Graduate of the Owner/President Management Program of the Harvard Business School.

Waislitz has extensive business and capital markets experience and has been a member of several public company Boards of directors. He is currently Director of various Pratt Group and Visy Board companies.

Founder (1991) and executive director (1991–2009) of Thorney Investment Group which invests in public securities, private companies and property, and has close connection to the Pratt family investments. Thorney specialises in emerging companies across a broad range of industries including Manufacturing, Technology, Mining Services and Resources. In 2016 the Australian Taxation Office revealed that the company had paid no tax in 2013-14, despite revenue of $430 million.

Director (1998–2009) of Collingwood Football Club[5] and Vice President (2009)

Member of the International Advisory Board for Master of Business Administration (MBA) at Ben-Gurion University School of Management[6]

Waislitz is also a movie producer. He has produced movies such as Hotel de Love & Joey.

Alisa Camplin-Warner:

Is an Australian aerial skier who won gold at the 2002 Winter Olympics, the second ever winter Olympic gold medal for Australia. At the 2006 Winter Olympics, Camplin finished third to receive a bronze medal. She is the first Australian skier to win medals at consecutive Winter Olympics, making her one of Australia's best skiers.

Camplin announced her retirement from competition in July 2006. She intends to pursue interests in the media and in the ski travel industry.

As of 30 July 2006, she is an international executive for IBM, works as a motivational speaker, and does promotional and charity work. Camplin currently works as a senior executive at IBM managing a team of over 300 people. She has been the face of Wrigley's Extra chewing gum in Australia since shortly after the 2002 Winter Olympics. She is also a judge on the Australian television competition Torvill and Dean's Dancing on Ice, and runs Alisa Camplin Ski Tours.

On 4 November 2009, Alisa Camplin was one of 15 international torchbearers taking part in the relay's International media program, aimed at increasing global coverage of the cross-Canada relay. She ran on day 6 of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic torch relay through the town of Dawson City in the Yukon Territory.

On 8 December 2009, It was announced that Alisa has joined the Collingwood Football Club board as a replacement for Sally Capp.

Christine Holgate - Chief Executive Officer & Managing Director - Blackmores

Christine has more than 30 years of diverse international leadership experience in highly regulated industries, including healthcare, media, telecommunications and finance. Christine was appointed to her current role as Blackmores Chief Executive Officer in November 2008.

She has more than 20 years public board experience as either a Non-Executive Director or CEO and has held senior management positions in Asia, the Americas and Australia. Christine’s prime responsibilities have been leading teams through significant change to deliver growth and expansion in Asia. Christine has three post-graduate diplomas and a Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA).

Christine is the inaugural Chair of the Board of the Australia-ASEAN Council, supporting the development of trade and cultural relations between Australia and the 10 member countries of the ASEAN region. She also serves on the Board of Collingwood Football Club and was a Non-Executive Director of Ten Network Holdings Limited for five years, retiring in December 2015.

In 2015 Christine was recognised in the top 100 Women of Influence in Australia by the Australian Financial Review and named CEO of the Year by CEO Magazine/CEO Institute (she was the first female to win this award). She was also named the highest performing CEO in Australia by the Daily Telegraph and received the Australian Growth Company Award for Women in Leadership. In 2013 Christine was honoured with the Rotary Paul Harris Award in recognition of her charitable work.

Mark Korda – Partner KordaMentha

Mark Korda is one of Australia’s leading specialists in business recovery and restructuring. He is probably best known for his administration of Ansett - Australia’s largest ever administration - with Partner Mark Mentha. In addition to his insolvency credentials, Mark also has considerable real estate experience, having been involved with the acquisition of 50 hotels for a company, aggregating a 5,000 block subdivision and the sale and restructure of numerous property portfolios.

Before founding KordaMentha in 2002, Mark enjoyed a 24-year career with Andersen during which he held the positions of Director of Corporate Finance, Managing Partner Asia Pacific Corporate Recovery Services Practice, Managing Partner of the firm’s Accounting and Audit Practice in Australia as well as Member of the Australian Executive Committee and Board of Partners.

Paul Leeds

For over 30 years, Paul Leeds, the CEO of Starcom, has held senior executive positions in the highly competitive Australian advertising industry. From Media Director to Board Director, Managing Director and ultimately Chairman of DDB Needham Melbourne for over 21 years, Leeds is the only media executive in Australia to have held the position of Chairman of an advertising agency.

He established his own successful media company in 1992 and then formed a strategic alliance with AIS Media in 1994. He was ultimately appointed CEO of AIS Media Australia in December 2000.

Leeds was elected to the VRC Committee in 2002 and maintains a keen interest in the Thoroughbred Racing and Breeding industry. He has raced a number of winners over the years including Marwong (five wins – Group One winner), Greyfille (four wins – Group 2 winner) and Be Reasonable (eight wins – Group Placed). He has had over 50 winners to date and last year bred and raced a listed winner at Flemington (Magic Bird).

Ian McMullin:

Is a Director of McMullin Group as well as being the Managing Director of McMullin Property with a wealth of experience in management and investments.

Ian’s past experience includes Senior Management roles at the Spotless Group, an ASX listed company, Director of Operations of Compass Group Australia and Director of Life’s A Party Group. Ian has a broad network throughout Australia’s business community.

Clearly just a bunch of puppets...

Not sure people are alluding to the board being puppets ? The board is filled with highly capable, significant individuals but they are all time poor and being on the board of a sporting club does not carry the same responsibility as their commercial lives. One could raise a reasonable argument that in this forum they are far more likely to say "yes" to matters faster and with less consideration than they would normally. A strong willed individual, in this forum, could exert their will.