Opinion #standdowneddie?

[Maggie5]

All worse options than Eddie and we will be in worse shape in 5 year from now if he isn't there. I'll say that much.

Eddie wasn't really my point, it was more who else was on the board and couldn't see anyone that would challenge from that group.

 

[jackcass]

Are the governance rules of public companies the same as sporting clubs ? I am of the understanding that there are some significant differences in regards to personal accountability. Being on the board of Collingwood carries some significant benefit but at this moment there must be some angst amongst board member as to their "guilt by association". The appointment of Gubby doesn't carry great optics right now.

I'm not aware of any significant differences that would absolve responsibility. Happy to be corrected.

Why would the current Board be experiencing any angst about the associations with the club or Eddy. They can resign if that is the case. They're big boys and girls.

Gubby was appointed on full disclosure and no doubt a fairly clear understanding of potential ramifications. If posters believe that the CFC Board is so naively blind then let them make their case to Members at the AGM. People are free to challenge any time. If they think it is that bad they can even call an extraordinary meeting for an election.

Mountains..... molehills....

 

[Saintly Viewed]

This is an admirable sentiment SV, but Edie's happiness is not the issue here. The proper running of the club, and astute planning for our future, are significantly more important than Ed's feelings.

When he was in trouble earlier in the year, and having 'thoughts' about his future, it was reported that he consulted his sons about what he should do. And, surprise surprise, the boys encouraged him to stay on as Pres.

I thought at the time, what the bloody hell? The future of my club being influenced by a couple of privileged teenage boys!

Vicky Park you are right, totally.
Eds happiness is neither here nor there.
Totally irrelevant.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that was a factor, more that Ed himself, in my view, is tied into Collingwood and self worth as tied into everything about him. He'd be shocked if even challenged, not that actually matters his feelings.
Other than when the time arrives, and if he's ousted or retired respect and dignity given.

Re his kids and their views, I'm positive that's just spin, feeding the chooks etc, you know like when politicians retire they suddenly proclaim wanting to spend more time with their families.
It's also psychologically harder to challenge someone when they say my kids said this, or my mother said that.
I didn't buy it at all what his juniors are saying to Ed.

My biggest issue has always been as a club we seem beholden to one person beyond the exclusion of all others.
As a club, surely we have other very capable people who could do a role like Ed, or a David Smorgon or a Frank Costa. All in all it's healthy to have different people contributing.
Though care must be taken to have really good people running the show.

I like Ed, but not that much so to speak.

 

[jackcass]

Not sure people are alluding to the board being puppets ? The board is filled with highly capable, significant individuals but they are all time poor and being on the board of a sporting club does not carry the same responsibility as their commercial lives. One could raise a reasonable argument that in this forum they are far more likely to say "yes" to matters faster and with less consideration than they would normally. A strong willed individual, in this forum, could exert their will.

Of course, silly me, they're too busy to do their jobs...

Highly capable, significant individuals get to where they are by just cutting corners and leaving things to chance all the time.

 

[jdpie]

I'm not aware of any significant differences that would absolve responsibility. Happy to be corrected.

Why would the current Board be experiencing any angst about the associations with the club or Eddy. They can resign if that is the case. They're big boys and girls.

Gubby was appointed on full disclosure and no doubt a fairly clear understanding of potential ramifications. If posters believe that the CFC Board is so naively blind then let them make their case to Members at the AGM. People are free to challenge any time. If they think it is that bad they can even call an extraordinary meeting for an election.

Mountains..... molehills....

Death by a thousand cuts ?? We don't need Richmond like instability but some transparence in regards to Board decision making would be great (given we are the club not the board). How did we land at the Gubby decision to replace Balmey ? Has our vision of the current iteration of the team changed ? What are our expectations and is there a reason there is often a difference in vision for the team (at least in the public statements) between the CEO and the Football Department ?

If there really was full disclosure from Gubby about his predicament how did we misread the tea leaves so poorly ? Asking for accountability is healthy as is acknowledging mistakes. My hope is that whatever the outcome of this current predicament (which will hang around for a while) there will be a non spin recount of what transpired.

 

[jdpie]

Of course, silly me, they're too busy to do their jobs...

Highly capable, significant individuals get to where they are by just cutting corners and leaving things to chance all the time.

Think you are being a bit mischievous in simplifying the conversation to the above.
Often delegation and trust in others helps in getting there also. Micro management is often a great inhibitor to success - whatever that may be. Ed has earned the trust of these board members but he is not immune to error. He does have a Fonz like inability to say i was Wro..........

 

[jackcass]

Think you are being a bit mischievous in simplifying the conversation to the above.
Often delegation and trust in others helps in getting there also. Micro management is often a great inhibitor to success - whatever that may be. Ed has earned the trust of these board members but he is not immune to error. He does have a Fonz like inability to say i was Wro..........

I am not now nor have I ever suggested that Ed is perfect. Don't know him personally but there is strong evidence to support this. The last perfect individual got nailed to a cross so they're a rare commodity.

Delegation doesn't often go well with ignorance. As you've alluded these are highly capable individuals and joining a board of a sporting club or charity is more often than not driven by passion rather than status. In my experience, people find it easier to allot time to those things they're passionate about.

I prefer to think that as highly capable people they'll do their job rather than assume they don't.

Lets agree to disagree.

 

[Jasper84]

 

[Anzacday]

Was a mock of the "StandbyHird" hash tag and potentially should have had a question mark at the end of it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Havent read the thread and might not.

But this could be the beginning of the end for Eddie if Allen goes down for what has been alleged. Cant see him coming back from here but if he does questions need to be asked.

That said I think we overrate Balme. I dont think we will miss him either way.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

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Lol, but relevance?

 

[wicksy]

If that had been the premise of your OP then you would have found me a bit more supportive.

That's very different to having the President stand down over what a journalist has written in the papers.

Consider: Do you want our Football Club to be so weak that a journalist has the power to pull down the club President by writing an article about something that hasn't even been fully investigated yet?

I will admit, I created the thread on my mobile and was getting pissed off with how fat my fingers are and how tiny the letters seem in comparison!
Now that I am keyboard equipped, I can elaborate. I have since updated the OP btw.

 

[wicksy]

None of these questions were in your OP.

You're talking like you know all the facts. You don't. Some of us just prefer to wait to the facts are clear before passing judgement.

I will give Ed the benefit of the doubt until it's proven that he has done anything wrong.

Is this comment really necessary? It's a pot shot.

You are completely missing the point.

What we know as fact:

1. We hired a man who was at the time (and still is) being investigated by both the AFL and ASADA on serious drug related/governance charges.
2. Our former football director left to work at Richmond. Most will admit this is most likely due to the appointment of Allen.
3. The media is circling and that circle will surround the Holden centre and everyone in it for some time regardless of whether he is found guilty or not.
4. Eddie oversaw this appointment.

Now, my qualm with all of this is that we did point 1 in the first place.

 

[Vicky Park]

This is a little long winded but I thought people should get some perspective of the pushovers we've got on our Board...

Alex Waislitz:

Waislitz completed a Law and Commerce Degree at Monash University, Melbourne in 1979 and is a Graduate of the Owner/President Management Program of the Harvard Business School.

Waislitz has extensive business and capital markets experience and has been a member of several public company Boards of directors. He is currently Director of various Pratt Group and Visy Board companies.

Founder (1991) and executive director (1991–2009) of Thorney Investment Group which invests in public securities, private companies and property, and has close connection to the Pratt family investments. Thorney specialises in emerging companies across a broad range of industries including Manufacturing, Technology, Mining Services and Resources. In 2016 the Australian Taxation Office revealed that the company had paid no tax in 2013-14, despite revenue of $430 million.

Director (1998–2009) of Collingwood Football Club[5] and Vice President (2009)

Member of the International Advisory Board for Master of Business Administration (MBA) at Ben-Gurion University School of Management[6]

Waislitz is also a movie producer. He has produced movies such as Hotel de Love & Joey.

Alisa Camplin-Warner:

Is an Australian aerial skier who won gold at the 2002 Winter Olympics, the second ever winter Olympic gold medal for Australia. At the 2006 Winter Olympics, Camplin finished third to receive a bronze medal. She is the first Australian skier to win medals at consecutive Winter Olympics, making her one of Australia's best skiers.

Camplin announced her retirement from competition in July 2006. She intends to pursue interests in the media and in the ski travel industry.

As of 30 July 2006, she is an international executive for IBM, works as a motivational speaker, and does promotional and charity work. Camplin currently works as a senior executive at IBM managing a team of over 300 people. She has been the face of Wrigley's Extra chewing gum in Australia since shortly after the 2002 Winter Olympics. She is also a judge on the Australian television competition Torvill and Dean's Dancing on Ice, and runs Alisa Camplin Ski Tours.

On 4 November 2009, Alisa Camplin was one of 15 international torchbearers taking part in the relay's International media program, aimed at increasing global coverage of the cross-Canada relay. She ran on day 6 of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic torch relay through the town of Dawson City in the Yukon Territory.

On 8 December 2009, It was announced that Alisa has joined the Collingwood Football Club board as a replacement for Sally Capp.

Christine Holgate - Chief Executive Officer & Managing Director - Blackmores

Christine has more than 30 years of diverse international leadership experience in highly regulated industries, including healthcare, media, telecommunications and finance. Christine was appointed to her current role as Blackmores Chief Executive Officer in November 2008.

She has more than 20 years public board experience as either a Non-Executive Director or CEO and has held senior management positions in Asia, the Americas and Australia. Christine’s prime responsibilities have been leading teams through significant change to deliver growth and expansion in Asia. Christine has three post-graduate diplomas and a Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA).

Christine is the inaugural Chair of the Board of the Australia-ASEAN Council, supporting the development of trade and cultural relations between Australia and the 10 member countries of the ASEAN region. She also serves on the Board of Collingwood Football Club and was a Non-Executive Director of Ten Network Holdings Limited for five years, retiring in December 2015.

In 2015 Christine was recognised in the top 100 Women of Influence in Australia by the Australian Financial Review and named CEO of the Year by CEO Magazine/CEO Institute (she was the first female to win this award). She was also named the highest performing CEO in Australia by the Daily Telegraph and received the Australian Growth Company Award for Women in Leadership. In 2013 Christine was honoured with the Rotary Paul Harris Award in recognition of her charitable work.

Mark Korda – Partner KordaMentha

Mark Korda is one of Australia’s leading specialists in business recovery and restructuring. He is probably best known for his administration of Ansett - Australia’s largest ever administration - with Partner Mark Mentha. In addition to his insolvency credentials, Mark also has considerable real estate experience, having been involved with the acquisition of 50 hotels for a company, aggregating a 5,000 block subdivision and the sale and restructure of numerous property portfolios.

Before founding KordaMentha in 2002, Mark enjoyed a 24-year career with Andersen during which he held the positions of Director of Corporate Finance, Managing Partner Asia Pacific Corporate Recovery Services Practice, Managing Partner of the firm’s Accounting and Audit Practice in Australia as well as Member of the Australian Executive Committee and Board of Partners.

Paul Leeds

For over 30 years, Paul Leeds, the CEO of Starcom, has held senior executive positions in the highly competitive Australian advertising industry. From Media Director to Board Director, Managing Director and ultimately Chairman of DDB Needham Melbourne for over 21 years, Leeds is the only media executive in Australia to have held the position of Chairman of an advertising agency.

He established his own successful media company in 1992 and then formed a strategic alliance with AIS Media in 1994. He was ultimately appointed CEO of AIS Media Australia in December 2000.

Leeds was elected to the VRC Committee in 2002 and maintains a keen interest in the Thoroughbred Racing and Breeding industry. He has raced a number of winners over the years including Marwong (five wins – Group One winner), Greyfille (four wins – Group 2 winner) and Be Reasonable (eight wins – Group Placed). He has had over 50 winners to date and last year bred and raced a listed winner at Flemington (Magic Bird).

Ian McMullin:

Is a Director of McMullin Group as well as being the Managing Director of McMullin Property with a wealth of experience in management and investments.

Ian’s past experience includes Senior Management roles at the Spotless Group, an ASX listed company, Director of Operations of Compass Group Australia and Director of Life’s A Party Group. Ian has a broad network throughout Australia’s business community.

Clearly just a bunch of puppets...

I appreciate the trouble you have gone to with this post, and I am aware of the quality people we have on our Board. As it should be. Saying that, I was very disappointed in the Eddie 'Caro drowning' incident (I don't wish to reopen that rancorous discussion), and I assumed he was taken to task for that by the Board.

But on the contrary, I was advised by someone who knows a bit about this that the opposite was the case. The Board did not - again I was advised - censure him at all. They did not, and do not, stand up to him. I really hope I have that wrong.

 

[jackcass]

You are completely missing the point.

What we know as fact:

1. We hired a man who was at the time (and still is) being investigated by both the AFL and ASADA on serious drug related/governance charges.
2. Our former football director left to work at Richmond. Most will admit this is most likely due to the appointment of Allen.
3. The media is circling and that circle will surround the Holden centre and everyone in it for some time regardless of whether he is found guilty or not.
4. Eddie oversaw this appointment.

Now, my qualm with all of this is that we did point 1 in the first place.

1. I've had my say on the appointment. A non-issue. Worst case scenario, Gubby gets a holiday and we find a replacement. We've got a few likely HBFers.

2. Balmy was offered a reduced role (not roll, that would have had far greater consequences). Opted to leave, sad to see the big fella leave but again a non-issue. Do we even know what his job was? Do we even know if he was any good at it? We survived Eade leaving, we'll survive Balmy leaving.

3. Who gives a fluck what the media are doing? It is all speculation at this stage.

4. Good on him, identified who were the best, identified who was available, got them. Decision ratified by the Board.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I appreciate the trouble you have gone to with this post, and I am aware of the quality people we have on our Board. As it should be. Saying that, I was very disappointed in the Eddie 'Caro drowning' incident (I don't wish to reopen that rancorous discussion), and I assumed he was taken to task for that by the Board.

But on the contrary, I was advised by someone who knows a bit about this that the opposite was the case. The Board did not - again I was advised - censure him at all. They did not, and do not, stand up to him. I really hope I have that wrong.

The board probabily does odds and ends; but really doubt they over bear on Ed. That's what boards like to do, see things are ok,leave the rest to the drivers of that board. If people get along sometimes Group think takes over.

Exhibit A: JFK and the Bay of Pigs

 

[jackcass]

I appreciate the trouble you have gone to with this post, and I am aware of the quality people we have on our Board. As it should be. Saying that, I was very disappointed in the Eddie 'Caro drowning' incident (I don't wish to reopen that rancorous discussion), and I assumed he was taken to task for that by the Board.

But on the contrary, I was advised by someone who knows a bit about this that the opposite was the case. The Board did not - again I was advised - censure him at all. They did not, and do not, stand up to him. I really hope I have that wrong.

I didn't have an issue with the Caro incident. The PC community made it about domestic violence but her gender had nothing to do it with it in my opinion, it was based purely on the rantings of a vindictive journo. The fact that journo is alleged to be female is the only reason his comments got any attention.

Ed is in the media/entertainment industry. It's his job. I'm not sure why people need to slide his Collingwood beanie on every time he says or does something controversial other than the fact it sells more papers.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

2. Balmy was offered a reduced role (not roll, that would have had far greater consequences)..

Nice work

 

[Eddie Van Halen]

So you're ok with us knowingly hiring Gubby, forcing a great operator in Balme out the door and then watching our football director get banned... Which he deserves mind you.

See, this is exactly why our football department is beyond stuffed... Because we've rested on our laurels.

Which is why they went ahead and got Gubby, who isn't afraid to shake things up and say 'no', or 'get f&%ked' and 'get the f&^k outta here with that crap'.
I find it hard to believe the club DIDN'T know what was going on with this whole situation and was confident that the investigation wouldn't amount to much.
Saying that, if it's true and Gubby is suspended, we need to just deal with it. Also, I'm sure Gubby knows a hell of a lot of other skeletons in other clubs closets so it'll be interesting in the way the AFL deals with this.
As for El Presidente, he does way more good compared to his occasional f&*k up, so I for one am happy for him to stay until he feels it's right to go. And he'll know.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Hey Eddie - hope you don't mind me borrowing your stripes.

 

[Eddie Van Halen]

Hey Eddie - hope you don't mind me borrowing your stripes.

Haha! All good mate!

 

[MarkT2]

Eddie wasn't really my point, it was more who else was on the board and couldn't see anyone that would challenge from that group.

I'm not sure if that is a serious post. It's a bit improbable that a borad that elects the president consisting of the presidents appontments is going to produce a challanger for the presidency other than by invitation of the president.

I think the president and board have performed poorly for a number of years but when you've had all the coaches and CEOs as well as all the board positions determined by the president since the turn of the century it's hardly surprising that things can get a little stale and objective assesment is absent.

 

[Markfs]

i'm still trying to come to grips with the connection between some gws player taking drugs and eddie having to resign....... and the gws president hasnt even been mentioned in the media...

let me get in early... if trump wins, eddie should resign

 

[Pedro]

Haven't really caught up with this but from the little I've heard and read, it sounds reasonably serious. The alleged Text messages sound incriminating and I hope like hell Ed didn't have anything to do with the bulldust story they've come up with. Whoever thought that sounded like a good idea needs to hand in their sanity card. I also hope that Ed is telling the truth about their knowledge of this when they hired Gubby (In that their enquiries revealed that it was a cleared up, or soon to be cleared up matter). If thats the case I'm reasonably happy. If proof should come out that there was more to it though, I imagine it would spell the end of Ed. In my mind it would anyway. I also hope that my membership dollars aren't being spent on this lawyer Gubby has appointed. He, or GWS can foot that bill.

 

[PicaBoo]

Which is why they went ahead and got Gubby, who isn't afraid to shake things up and say 'no', or 'get f&%ked' and 'get the f&^k outta here with that crap'.
I find it hard to believe the club DIDN'T know what was going on with this whole situation and was confident that the investigation wouldn't amount to much.
Saying that, if it's true and Gubby is suspended, we need to just deal with it. Also, I'm sure Gubby knows a hell of a lot of other skeletons in other clubs closets so it'll be interesting in the way the AFL deals with this.
As for El Presidente, he does way more good compared to his occasional f&*k up, so I for one am happy for him to stay until he feels it's right to go. And he'll know.

#standbyEddie