Star Trek General Discussion Thread

[CD Xbow]

First couple of episodes were great, wasn't a fan of the 3rd episode though.

Jek'Kralija is the star of the show IMO.

She's is great.
I didn't pick Holly Hunter as the captain, I guess it's been a long time since I saw Network News. The Betazed gal, is played by Zoë Steiner who it is said was born in Melbourne. She does have a credit in an ABC show a few years ago however her public profile is low. I guess that will change.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

I'm old enough to have watched reruns of Star Trek: The Original Series, and the original run of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I watched Deep Space 9 (but preferred Babylon 5, which as an aside, I found on Amazon Prime last week and I'm currently binge watching it), hate-watched Enterprise, cringed my way through Discovery and shook my head at Picard. I enjoyed the first season of Strange New Worlds, but I wasn't as hooked by the later seasons of SNW.

I actually quite enjoy Academy. It's a bit naff at times, and the pace of the series is a little uneven (the most recent episode that was dropped yesterday took forever to get going, as the most recent example, and the subplot was a bit 'meh'). I could do without the teen heartbreak story line between Caleb and Tarima, but then I'm a grumpy old man in my late 40s, so that's not surprising.

As usual, Tig Notaro steals just about every scene she's in, while Lura Thok is an incredible character. But I have to say that I really don't like the Series Acclimation Mil character or the actor that plays that character. The episode that featured her was incredibly bad.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Having said that, I do enjoy seeing Paul Giamatti ham it up as Nus Braka. He's clearly enjoying his turn as a villain, and so far, the writers and showrunners have been wisely careful not to shove him down our throats.

 

[JackOutback]

Watched through the episode four, it's still fine, though that was probably the weakest episode. It does seem to be following the Strange New Worlds template of doing a set number of typical Star Trek episodes. Action packed first episode, Star Trek values second, comedy third, focus on a particular race fourth. It's more obvious in 10-episode seasons than in a 22-24 episode season. Warming up to the characters.

 

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Watched through the episode four, it's still fine, though that was probably the weakest episode. It does seem to be following the Strange New Worlds template of doing a set number of typical Star Trek episodes. Action packed first episode, Star Trek values second, comedy third, focus on a particular race fourth. It's more obvious in 10-episode seasons than in a 22-24 episode season. Warming up to the characters.

I like how it's cycling through the characters to give us more insight into them though. Most recent ep was excellent.

 

[JackOutback]

Just watched the Sisko episode. I had already become aware that it was the source of some controversy but steered clear of the reasons. I'm going to say the objections are not without merit (unlike many of the complaints against the show) but overall I though it narrowly landed on the right side of nostalgia and tribute. I love D9 and Sisko, it's my favourite Trek, I can see how the storyline goes against Brooks' wishes at the time, but given they spoke with him, and they allowed it to remain ambiguous, I think they pulled it off. Loved seeing Cirroc Lofton again, and boy, did he look like Sisko's kid.

The rest of the episode was a bit off, I think the humour around Sam was too much and the subplot was pretty terrible. But they got the Sisko part right, so I enjoyed it.

 

[JackOutback]

TIL that Thomas Jane has been cast as Dr McCoy for the finale of Strange New Worlds and could play him if the showrunners' pitch for a Year One series focused on Kirk's first year in command of the Enterprise is accepted by Paramount. I'm sure he'll do fine but I did do a bit of a double take when I read the news. Maybe too well known for me to separate him from previous roles right now.

 

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Didn't mind that season finale for Academy, and it's really not as bad as some people make out as a series, but there is something lacking in ALL modern ST finales, that just feels like they try to go big and I end up getting pretty bored. Dunno what it is.

 

[Ry009]

SFA cancelled. Interesting to see what happens on the TV front.

Think Alex Kurtzman is done with CBS/Paramount. Hopefully Terry Matalas is brought back.

Divisive ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ Canceled After Two Seasons

The Paramount+ 'Star Trek' show will end after its already filmed second season.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[JackOutback]

SFA cancelled. Interesting to see what happens on the TV front.

Think Alex Kurtzman is done with CBS/Paramount. Hopefully Terry Matalas is brought back.

Divisive ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ Canceled After Two Seasons

The Paramount+ 'Star Trek' show will end after its already filmed second season.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Star Trek, a historically progressive show, being under the stewardship of Paramount, owned by a billionaire buddy of Donald Trump's at a time the country is sliding into right wing fascism, is simply a bad fit. I would rather see the show shelved than some right wing fantasy of what Star Trek should look like.

 

[Ry009]

Star Trek, a historically progressive show, being under the stewardship of Paramount, owned by a billionaire buddy of Donald Trump's at a time the country is sliding into right wing fascism, is simply a bad fit. I would rather see the show shelved than some right wing fantasy of what Star Trek should look like.

Oh totally agree.

Ellison is an evil prick and don't hold much hope that anything decent gets made soon, although I think a movie is in the pipeline.

With that being said but can't imagine that being anything other than Star Wars with a Trek coat of paint, likely being a bit more hollow than the Kelvin movies.

At least we have 2 more seasons of SNW and final season of SFA filmed (still yet to watch the other half of the season - but had some good mixed with bad).

 

[Rob R]

Star Trek, a historically progressive show, being under the stewardship of Paramount, owned by a billionaire buddy of Donald Trump's at a time the country is sliding into right wing fascism, is simply a bad fit. I would rather see the show shelved than some right wing fantasy of what Star Trek should look like.

Or SFA was just an awful show. most characters annoying or bland (except for reno and the villain), and poorly executed storyline.

 

[Brick Loosener]

Trump dictatorship must be using voter ID to supress the will of the people.

 

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Or SFA was just an awful show. most characters annoying or bland (except for reno and the villain), and poorly executed storyline.

Seemed pretty good from what I watched, are you sure you're watching the right franchise?

 

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Trump dictatorship must be using voter ID to supress the will of the people.

Or most people just can't be ****ed with meaningless petitions?

 

[JackOutback]

Seemed pretty good from what I watched, are you sure you're watching the right franchise?

I have one episode to go and it is actually pretty decent. One thing I would point out is that The Next Generation has a notoriously average first season, Deep Space 9 was wildly inconsistent, Voyager's first season was bang average, in my opinion. If fans back then had the ability to immediately mash their keyboards and complain because the show wasn't created specifically with them in mind, they likely never would have been given the opportunity to grow into the shows they did. It's a point William Shatner himself made. Given the quality of the first season, there's every chance this could have developed into a really good show.

As for the complaints about characters, pacing, storylines etc, far be it from me to pass judgement but why does it always seem to be directed at shows led by, or characters that are, women or black or sexually diverse? Put a white man front and centre (Strange New Worlds, the proposed Legacy and Year One stories) and everything is great. If the issue for someone is the diversity, then this show isn't for them. Just because you enjoyed it when you were younger doesn't mean it's changed, it just means you became a less accepting arseh*le.

 

[Brick Loosener]

Or most people just can't be ****ed with meaningless petitions?

It's hit 24k now. And i was joking.

 

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I have one episode to go and it is actually pretty decent. One thing I would point out is that The Next Generation has a notoriously average first season, Deep Space 9 was wildly inconsistent, Voyager's first season was bang average, in my opinion. If fans back then had the ability to immediately mash their keyboards and complain because the show wasn't created specifically with them in mind, they likely never would have been given the opportunity to grow into the shows they did. It's a point William Shatner himself made. Given the quality of the first season, there's every chance this could have developed into a really good show.

As for the complaints about characters, pacing, storylines etc, far be it from me to pass judgement but why does it always seem to be directed at shows led by, or characters that are, women or black or sexually diverse? Put a white man front and centre (Strange New Worlds, the proposed Legacy and Year One stories) and everything is great. If the issue for someone is the diversity, then this show isn't for them. Just because you enjoyed it when you were younger doesn't mean it's changed, it just means you became a less accepting arseh*le.

And this show even had a few episodes heavily influenced by nostalgia bait - the SAM episode with The Doctor and the episode about Sisko. It just makes me question what people actually wanted. It's Starfleet Academy the hint is in the name that this will have a younger cast, so if you go in knowing you're going to get a young cast, with a diverse range of characters, and get annoyed by those factors, then what are you doing?

I think there is a symptom of the 10 episode season that they have to introduce characters quite quickly but doesn't that lend itself to multiple seasons to allow these characters to breathe? And yet everyone wants these shows to just hit the ground running out of the blocks.

 

[JackOutback]

And this show even had a few episodes heavily influenced by nostalgia bait - the SAM episode with The Doctor and the episode about Sisko. It just makes me question what people actually wanted. It's Starfleet Academy the hint is in the name that this will have a younger cast, so if you go in knowing you're going to get a young cast, with a diverse range of characters, and get annoyed by those factors, then what are you doing?

I think there is a symptom of the 10 episode season that they have to introduce characters quite quickly but doesn't that lend itself to multiple seasons to allow these characters to breathe? And yet everyone wants these shows to just hit the ground running out of the blocks.

That's the other thing that gets me, if you don't like the show, stop bloody watching and don't ruin it for those that do. But everyone wants to rage online about their own personal tastes and get shows cancelled rather than just change the channel. Don't like Starfleet Academy or The Acolyte? Don't watch. The networks can work out which shows are popular and profitable, trying to game the system to make something look worse just makes you an arseh*le.

It would be nice to see a return of full length seasons, we have certainly lost a few things with shorter seasons, like the bottle episodes (shame) and flashback episodes (not such a shame).