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Discussion in 'Football Statistics' started by red+black, Apr 27, 2009.

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  1. red+black

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    2017 attendance stats for Richmond
    - 3rd best H&A attendance
    - 4th best finals attendance
    - best season attendance
    - 11th best season attendance by any club (COLx5, ESS, COL, ESS, COLx2)


    2017 1,024,751 289,307 1,314,058
    2001 975,267 198,608 1,173,875
    2015 1,054,354 90,186 1,144,540
    2013 1,040,290 94,690 1,134,980
    1998 1,023,821 0 1,023,821
     
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    Yesterday's GF sprint was an omen.

    Connor Menadue won the sprint.

    It was Richmond's first flag for 37 years and Connor wears No. 37.
     
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    There is plenty written about the odd coincidences in Grand Finals in the early 1900s & early 2000s - Melbourne premiers 1900 runners up 2000, Essendon premiers 1901 runner up 2001, Collingwood premiers 1902 & 1903 runner up 2002 & 2003 & Fitzroy Lions premier 1904 Brisbane Lions runner up 2004 - but there are some odd patterns between the 1910s & 2010s as well:

    2010 - Collingwood premiers in 1910 & 2010.
    2011 - Collingwood runner up in 2011, as they were in 1911
    2012 - South Melbourne Swans runner up in 1912, Sydney Swans premiers in 2012
    2013 - In 1913 St Kilda has waited a long time to make its first Grand Final, but beaten by the more experienced Fitzroy. In 2013 the Fremantle Dockers make the GF for the first time since their inception in 1995, but are well beaten by Hawthorn.
    2014 - South Melbourne/Sydney Swans are runner up in both 1914 & 2014 to Carlton & Hawthorn respectively.
    2015 - The 1915 & 2015 premiers are the same as they were in 1914 & 2014, Carlton & Hawthorn winning successive GF's.
    2016 - Fitzroy famously win the 1916 premiership from last position in a 4 team competition. The Western Bulldogs win the 2016 GF from 7th place on the ladder.
    2017 - Richmond finish last in 1917, premiers in 2017.
     
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    The Richmond premiership team of 2017 and the Western Bulldogs premiership team of 2016 had no players with any previous premiership experience. The last time this occurred in consecutive seasons was with St. Kilda in 1966 and Richmond in 1967.
     
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    Most games as captain before first premiership

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    118Cotchin, TrentRi2017
    109*Davis, BarryNM1975
    102Hickey, RegGe1937
    97Voss, MichaelBr2001
    89Goodes, AdamSy2012
    88Carey, WayneNM1996
    86Clarke, Jack E.Es1962
    80La Fontaine, AllanMe1939
    76Shaw, TonyCo1990
    73Jesaulenko, AlexCa1979
    72Baldock, DarrelSt1966
    70Reynolds, DickEs1942
    69Matthews, LeighHa1983
    61Sutton, CharlieWB1954
    60Nicholls, JohnCa1968
    60Parkin, DavidHa1971
    58*Minogue, DanRi1920
    56Hodge, LukeHa2013
    54Dyer senior, JackRi1943
    52Ling, CameronGe2011

    * captain at second club
     
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    That greatly surprises me. So if a player hasn't won a flag in his first 4-5 years as captain, you better replace him if you want any chance of winning a premiership!
     
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    Not true. This doesn't take in to consideration a player who has already won a premiership being awarded the captaincy of his club.

    Luke Hodge for example played 70 games before he won a premiership as Hawthorn captain, but he doesn't meet the criteria because he had already won a premiership prior to becoming captain.
     
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    Richmond has now won 4 premierships after missing the finals in the previous year - 1967, 1969, 1980 and 2017.

    On the previous 3 occasions, Richmond then missed the finals the year after their premiership win:

    1968 - 5th
    1970 - 6th
    1981 - 7th

    Be interesting to see what happens in 2018.
     
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    It felt right.
     
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    Now there's a stat we can all get behind.:)
     
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    Most games before first premiership

    GmsPlayerClubYear
    305Crawford, ShaneHa2008
    294Williams, PaulSy2005
    282Boyd, MatthewWB2016
    268Ashcroft, MarcusBr2001
    256Wells, Greg T.Ca1981
    249Lynch, AlastairBr2001
    246Shaw, TonyCo1990
    244Rantall, JohnNM1975
    242Alves, StanNM1977
    233Chick, DanielWC2006
    231Cousins, BenWC2006
    230Morris, DaleWB2016
    226Richards, LouCo1953
    225Blakey, JohnNM1996
    Riewoldt, JackRi2017
    223Brown, LeighCo2010
    222Croad, TrentHa2008
    O'Loughlin, MichaelSy2005
    221Madden, SimonEs1984
    219Williams, GregCa1995
    218Lake, BrianHa2013
    217Fairley, IanNM1996
    215Mattner, MartinSy2012
    213Milburn, DarrenGe2007
    208Johnson, Ben L.Co2010
    207Daicos, PeterCo1990
    Edwards, ShaneRi2017
    205Greene, RussellHa1983
    Hart, ShaunBr2001
    204Vallence, HarryCa1938
    202Wakelin, DarrylPA2004
    201White, DarrylBr2001
    200Foulds, GarryEs1984
    Longmire, John121999
    Nicholls, JohnCa1968
    198Cotchin, TrentRi2017
    197Hale, DavidHa2013
    195Spalding, EarlCa1995
    194McVeigh, JarradSy2012
    Schofield, JarradPA2004
    193King, StevenGe2007
    192Grigg, ShaunRi2017
     

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    1973/74
     
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    I should have clarified my post by stating Richmond has now won 4 of its 11 premierships the year after missing the finals (so not to confuse it with just the last 4).

    In fact, Richmond's other 7 premierships were all won the year after playing in a Grand Final - 5 times losing the previous year (1920, 1932, 1934, 1943 and 1973 premierships) and twice as the winner (1921 and 1974 completing back-to-back premierships).

    Looks as if there is no middle ground (eg. early finals) for the Tigers in preparing for their premierships - its either a Grand Final as a warm up or flying in from the clouds.
     
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    Adelaide are favorites next year.

    Since 1960 - so the last 57 years - on 20 occasions, the premier has played in the next GF. They've won 9 and lost 11.
    The runners-up have played in the next Grand final on 21 occasions - and they've won 15 times and only lost 6.
    (I'm ignoring draws).

    Maybe there is something in this 'motivation', 'hurt', 'revenge' etc
     
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    Western Bulldogs broke a 62 year premiership drought in 2016, followed by Richmond breaking a 37 year premiership drought in 2017, giving a combined total of 99 years in two successive seasons. Making a qualification of at least 20 years in between premierships, this is a new record for two successive seasons.

    totalclubs/seasons
    99W.Bull (62) 2016 + Rich (37) 2017
    93St.K (69) 1966 + Rich (24) 1967
    54Geel (28) 1925 + Melb (26) 1926
    45Rich (24) 1967 + Carl (21) 1968



    With no specific qualification, these are the leading totals:

    totalclubs/seasons
    99W.Bull (62) 2016 + Rich (37) 2017
    93St.K (69) 1966 + Rich (24) 1967
    84Syd (72) 2005 + WCE (12) 2006
    79Port (7) 2004 + Syd (72) 2005
    61Geel (44) 2007 + Haw (17) 2008
    56WCE (12) 2006 + Geel (44) 2007
    55Nth (50) 1975 + Haw (5) 1976
    54Geel (28) 1925 + Melb (26) 1926
    48Haw (36) 1961 + Ess (12) 1962
    46Coll (17) 1953 + Foot (29) 1954
    45Rich (24) 1967 + Carl (21) 1968
     
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    Since the reformatting of the final 8 in 2000, there are nine different finals a team can play. I became interested in seeing how many teams had played in all nine since 2000. I have included the season in which a team "completed the set" on the end of the row.

    team1st elim2nd elim1st qual2nd qual1st semi2nd semi1st prelim2nd prelimgrand finalyear
    Adelyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2017
    Brisyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Carlyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Collyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2008
    Essyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Freyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2014
    Geelyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2009
    GWSyesyesyesyes
    Hawyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2012
    Melbyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Northyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Portyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2013
    Richyesyesyesyesyesyes
    St. Kyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    Sydyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2012
    WCEyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    W.Bullyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes2016
     
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    Prior to last night, the last time Brisbane held the No. 1 pick, Fremantle held the No. 2 pick.
     
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    The St. Kilda team thrashed by Collingwood by 178-points in Round 4 1979 contained two players who shared the names of actors from 'The Aunty Jack Show' - Graeme Bond and Gary McDonald.
     
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    Some players finish their careers on the ultimate high, playing in premiership winning team in their last ever game. The following 24 men are not among them. All of them played their last senior game in teams that were thrashed by 150-points or more:

    190 points - Fitzroy 36.22-238 d. Melbourne 6.12-48, Round 17 1979
    Barry Denny

    171 points - South Melbourne 29.15-189 d. St Kilda 2.6-18, Round 12 1919
    Peter Ryan

    168 points - Richmond 30.19-199 d. North Melbourne 4.7-31, Round 2 1931
    Cyril Kemp

    165 points - Essendon 28.16-184 d. South Melbourne 2.7-19, Round 18 1964
    Charlie Evans, Clem Goonan, Eddy Melai, Don Stanley, Pat Trethowan, Ken Wharton

    165 points - Hawthorn 31.11-197 d. Port Adelaide 5.2-32, Round 21 2011
    Nick Salter

    163 points - Sydney Swans 36.20-236 d. Essendon 11.7-73, Round 17 1987
    Daryl Cunningham

    162 points - Brisbane Bears 33.21-219 d. Sydney Swans 8.9-57, Round 8 1993
    Brad Tunbridge

    161 points - Geelong 23.24-162 d. St Kilda 0.1-1, Round 17 1899
    Bill Blackwood, Wal Heron, George May, Jim Park, Bill Wishart

    160 points - Hawthorn 32.24-216 d. Essendon 8.8-56, Round 20 1992
    Dean Bailey

    157 points - Hawthorn 36.15-231 d. Fitzroy 11.8-74, Round 6 1991
    Peter Bourke, Chris Waterson

    152 points - Richmond 34.18-222 d. St Kilda 11.4-70, Round 16 1980
    Geoff Greethan

    150 points - Fitzroy 34.16-220 d. North Melbourne 10.10-70, Round 13 1983
    Ross Henshaw

    150 points - Geelong 29.14-188 d. Gold Coast 6.2-38, Round 20 2011
    Daniel Harris, Haydn Jolly

    Of the players on this list, Wal Heron's only senior match for the Saints was the infamous 1899 Geelong vs. St Kilda game. I wonder if he had nightmares about Cats for the rest of his life after that? Brad Tunbridge is another interesting case. The Swans' ruckman recruited from WAFL club East Fremantle stood tall in some Sydney teams that were given heavy defeats and was a regular senior player for the struggling team in the early 1990s, but after playing his 50th match in the debacle against the Bears at the GABBA he mysteriously lost his place in the side, and never played senior football again.

    No Demons involved in the 186-point hiding by Geelong at Kardinia Park in Round 19 2011 ended their careers that day, but the loss did cost Demons coach the late Dean Bailey his job. Bailey ironically appears on this list as a player, with his last senior game for Essendon taking place in the 160 point trouncing from Hawthorn in Round 20 1992.
     
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    There have been 15 Grand Finals where the same 2 teams played off as had in the previous year.

    Only 6 times did the reigning premiers repeat - 9 times the runner-up got revenge.
     
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    There's some good examples of this in the WAFL, SANFL, and VFL/VFA as well.

    In 1966, 1967 and 1968 Perth beat East Perth in three successive WAFL Grand Finals, while across in South Australia Sturt beat Port Adelaide in the corresponding Grand Finals. Unlike East Perth however, Port Adelaide did have the satisfaction of having beaten Sturt in 1965. A decade earlier in the VFA, arch rivals Williamstown and Port Melbourne squared off in three successive Grand Finals in 1954, 1955 & 1956 and the Seagulls defeated the Borough each time. The Great Depression proved very depressing indeed for fans of the Coburg Lions, who saw their team lose to their Northern Suburbs rivals the Northcote Dragons in three successive Grand Finals in 1932, 1933 and 1934.
     
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    The youngest finalist (based on average age over the h&a season) has won the past two premierships. This happened previously in 1992-93, 1927-28 and 1898-99-1900.

    Since the advent of the final eight in 1994, the youngest finalist has finished

    1st - four times
    2nd - twice
    4th - three times
    5th - four times
    6th - twice
    7th - once
    8th - eight times
     
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