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2009-2012 R2
Percentage of matches played that were wins after trailing at
3/4 time. (Most: Geelong 11, Brisbane 7.)


Code: 
Geelong      14.29        
Brisbane     10.00 
Port Adelaide 8.82        
Gold Coast    8.33        
Hawthorn      6.94        
Sydney/SM     6.94        
Richmond      5.88 
Essendon      5.71        
St Kilda      5.26        
Collingwood   5.13        
Fremantle     4.29        
West Coast    4.23        
Carlton       4.17        
Nth Melbourne 2.94        
Adelaide      2.86        
WB/Footscray  1.35        
Melbourne     0.00
 
RogersResults said:
They never acknowledge nor publish any of my corrections and probably nobody else's . The information I posted here was put in as a comment on the article and has not appeared.

The Herald-Sun nor its predecessor the Sun News Pictorial have ever had much concern about being 'journals of record'.
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Well, I have to take some of that back they have now published the correction.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...r-western-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1226323306206
 
RogersResults said:
They never acknowledge nor publish any of my corrections and probably nobody else's .
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The Courier Mail had an incorrect NRL crowd figure last year, which was being used as a cite in a Wikipedia article. When you'd correct it, the wikitards would revert it because the article had it wrong.

I tried maybe 5-6 times to get them to fix it, no dice.
 
*Paul* said:
The Courier Mail had an incorrect NRL crowd figure last year, which was being used as a cite in a Wikipedia article. When you'd correct it, the wikitards would revert it because the article had it wrong.

I tried maybe 5-6 times to get them to fix it, no dice.
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Wikipedia can be a start for locating sources but shouldn't be relied upon as a primary or secondary source. I know what you mean regarding "wikitards".
 

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I could be a valuable contributor to Wikipedia, and I in fact was years ago. But then as now, after you've ran in to a few of these types, you ask yourself "Why bother?" In my case, I stopped bothering.

Also, 'twas the Brisbane Times who refused to correct their article, not the CM.

Anyway, getting off topic..
 
red+black said:
Could you list the top 10 worst Round 3 and 4 sides in history, their For/Against and %?

Just want to keep an eye on GWS this weekend.
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Played 3 matches - no match points - just percentage as scoring patterns/rates in different eras make for and against points not directly comparable. (And a bit tedious to enter here without html. :rolleyes:)

Code: 
St Kilda	21.30	1898
St Kilda	22.68	1899
Carlton	        24.76	1901
St Kilda	26.51	1897
Hawthorn	29.32	1950
Carlton	        31.17	1899
St Kilda	34.71	1910
St Kilda	34.71	1985
Hawthorn	36.54	1949
Gold Coast	38.05	2011

Played 4 matches - no match points.

Code: 
St Kilda	25.15 	1898
Carlton	        28.22 	1899
St Kilda	28.92 	1899
Hawthorn	35.88 	1950
St Kilda	37.01 	1901
St Kilda	37.19 	1897
St Kilda	39.73 	1985
Hawthorn	40.00 	1949
Nth Melbourne	44.38 	1931
St Kilda	45.45 	1902
 
Here's a useless stat. Longest goal droughts (#games) for Dustin Fletcher. Approaching his 4th then 3rd longest droughts. He's averaging just one goal per year over the last 10 years.

Code: 
44 - R16, 2004 to R 3, 2007
33 - R12, 2002 to R12, 2004
26 - R 8, 2008 to R19, 2009
18 - R 2, 2010 to R 3, 2011
17 - R 2, 1993 to GF , 1993
17 - R 5, 2011 to R 2, 2012*
16 - R22, 1998 to R19, 1999
 
RogersResults said:
Probably not unless published match reports mention who scored the first goal in each team's first match. I'm not aware of such a list.
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I found out who the goalscorers were for each of the older VFL/AFL clubs in their first ever matches on the http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html website, but after some extensive research, I have been unable to locate exactly which of these kicked their side’s first ever goal.

The only ones I have been able to find so far are for Carlton, Essendon, South Melbourne/Sydney and Western Bulldogs.

Carlton: Bill Weir: That goal was the only one that Weir kicked in his 16 games for the Blues between 1897 and 1898. He was actually Carlton’s full-back for the match against Fitzroy, but according to the article ‘Godfathers of the Goal Square’ (http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=62) on the Blueseum website, Weir never played in this position again following this game.

Essendon: Norman Waugh: Waugh was a star goalsneak who played 23 games and kicked 30 goals for the Bombers between 1897 and 1898. 23 of these goals were booted in 1897, which resulted in him finishing runner-up in the League to Geelong’s Eddy James. He went to South Africa to live in 1899 and on his return to Australia in 1906, believed that there was a future for the game there.

South Melbourne/Sydney: Dinny McKay – McKay played all 14 games for South Melbourne in 1897 and headed their goalkicking with 14 goals. Four days after the home and away season ended, McKay suddenly passed away as a result of a burst appendix and ensuing peritonitis. McKay had the dubious distinction of being the first VFL footballer to die from any cause.

I obtained this information from Jim Main’s magnificent book ‘In the Blood’.

Western Bulldogs: George Bayliss: Bayliss played 89 games and kicked 217 goals for Richmond from 1914, and then between 1916 and 1923. He was the Tigers’ leading goalkicker in 1920 with 63 goals, (which was also the highest in the League), 53 in 1921 (second behind Geelong’s Cliff Rankin with 61) and was part of the Tigers’ Premiership side that year, and 32 in 1922. Bayliss played 9 games and kicked 18 goals for Footscray in 1925, eventually finishing with a career total of 98 games and 235 goals. He was regarded as one of the best kicks in League football and a quick thinker.


I also managed to locate whom the other expansion clubs' (excluding Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney) first ever goalscorer's were. These are shown below:

Adelaide: Tony McGuinness – McGuinness played 109 games and kicked 108 goals for Footscray from 1986-1990. He returned home to South Australia and played a further 113 games and kicked 79 goals for Adelaide from 1991 to 1996 for a career total of 222 games and 187 goals. McGuinness was delisted by Adelaide at the end of the 1996 season by incoming coach Malcolm Blight. Sydney told McGuinness that they were going to pick him up in the 1997 pre-season draft but then reneged on their promise. McGuinness threatened to sue the Swans, but eventually received an out-of-court settlement from Sydney.

Brisbane: Bernie Harris – Harris previously played 46 games and kicked 60 goals for Fitzroy from 1984 to 1986. He went onto to play 56 games and kick 58 goals with Brisbane from 1987 to 1990 before leaving the Bears halfway during 1990 and joining St. Kilda in the 1990 Mid-Season Draft, whereby he played a further 5 games and kicked 0 goals for the Saints, for a career total of 107 games and 118 goals.

Fremantle: Todd Ridley - Ridley played 25 games and kicked 21 goals for Essendon between 1991 and 1994. He played 21 games and kicked 16 goals for the Dockers from 1995 and 1996 before playing 2 games and kicking 0 goals for Hawthorn in 1997 for a career total of 48 games and 37 goals. He retired from the AFL at the conclusion of the 1997 season.

Port Adelaide: Shayne Breuer – Breuer previously played 71 games and kicked 77 goals for Geelong between 1994 and 1996 and then went on to play 54 games and kick 29 goals for Port Adelaide between 1997 and 1999 for a career total of 125 games and 106 goals. Breuer was then delisted by the Power at the end of the 1999 season and wasn’t picked up by any other clubs, which meant that his AFL career was over at age 27.

West Coast: Laurie Keene – Recruited from Subiaco, Keene was a very talented ruckman, who suffered a severe Achilles injury in 1989 that sidelined him for over a season and significantly prevented him from displaying his true potential in the AFL. He played 36 games and kicked 38 goals from 1987 to 1990. Keene failed to play a game in both the 1991 or 1992 seasons and retired; however he went back to play with Subiaco in the WAFL until 1995.

I will endeavour to keep searching for the other club’s first ever goalscorer.
 
Richmond: R1, 1908. Either Billy Schmidt (4), Bill Bourke, Dick Condon, Tom Heaney or Charlie Pannam.

University: R1, 1908. Either Tom Fogarty, Edgar Kneen or Martin Ratz.

Hawthorn: R1, 1925. Either Les Woodford (2), Hec Yeomans (2) or Dave Elliman.
 
cozza441985 said:
I found out who the goalscorers were for each of the older VFL/AFL clubs in their first ever matches on the http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html website, but after some extensive research, I have been unable to locate exactly which of these kicked their side’s first ever goal.

The only ones I have been able to find so far are for Carlton, Essendon, South Melbourne/Sydney and Western Bulldogs.

Carlton: Bill Weir: That goal was the only one that Weir kicked in his 16 games for the Blues between 1897 and 1898. He was actually Carlton’s full-back for the match against Fitzroy, but according to the article ‘Godfathers of the Goal Square’ (http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=62) on the Blueseum website, Weir never played in this position again following this game.

Essendon: Norman Waugh: Waugh was a star goalsneak who played 23 games and kicked 30 goals for the Bombers between 1897 and 1898. 23 of these goals were booted in 1897, which resulted in him finishing runner-up in the League to Geelong’s Eddy James. He went to South Africa to live in 1899 and on his return to Australia in 1906, believed that there was a future for the game there.

South Melbourne/Sydney: Dinny McKay – McKay played all 14 games for South Melbourne in 1897 and headed their goalkicking with 14 goals. Four days after the home and away season ended, McKay suddenly passed away as a result of a burst appendix and ensuing peritonitis. McKay had the dubious distinction of being the first VFL footballer to die from any cause.

I obtained this information from Jim Main’s magnificent book ‘In the Blood’.

Western Bulldogs: George Bayliss: Bayliss played 89 games and kicked 217 goals for Richmond from 1914, and then between 1916 and 1923. He was the Tigers’ leading goalkicker in 1920 with 63 goals, (which was also the highest in the League), 53 in 1921 (second behind Geelong’s Cliff Rankin with 61) and was part of the Tigers’ Premiership side that year, and 32 in 1922. Bayliss played 9 games and kicked 18 goals for Footscray in 1925, eventually finishing with a career total of 98 games and 235 goals. He was regarded as one of the best kicks in League football and a quick thinker.


I also managed to locate whom the other expansion clubs' (excluding Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney) first ever goalscorer's were. These are shown below:

Adelaide: Tony McGuinness – McGuinness played 109 games and kicked 108 goals for Footscray from 1986-1990. He returned home to South Australia and played a further 113 games and kicked 79 goals for Adelaide from 1991 to 1996 for a career total of 222 games and 187 goals. McGuinness was delisted by Adelaide at the end of the 1996 season by incoming coach Malcolm Blight. Sydney told McGuinness that they were going to pick him up in the 1997 pre-season draft but then reneged on their promise. McGuinness threatened to sue the Swans, but eventually received an out-of-court settlement from Sydney.

Brisbane: Bernie Harris – Harris previously played 46 games and kicked 60 goals for Fitzroy from 1984 to 1986. He went onto to play 56 games and kick 58 goals with Brisbane from 1987 to 1990 before leaving the Bears halfway during 1990 and joining St. Kilda in the 1990 Mid-Season Draft, whereby he played a further 5 games and kicked 0 goals for the Saints, for a career total of 107 games and 118 goals.

Fremantle: Todd Ridley - Ridley played 25 games and kicked 21 goals for Essendon between 1991 and 1994. He played 21 games and kicked 16 goals for the Dockers from 1995 and 1996 before playing 2 games and kicking 0 goals for Hawthorn in 1997 for a career total of 48 games and 37 goals. He retired from the AFL at the conclusion of the 1997 season.

Port Adelaide: Shayne Breuer – Breuer previously played 71 games and kicked 77 goals for Geelong between 1994 and 1996 and then went on to play 54 games and kick 29 goals for Port Adelaide between 1997 and 1999 for a career total of 125 games and 106 goals. Breuer was then delisted by the Power at the end of the 1999 season and wasn’t picked up by any other clubs, which meant that his AFL career was over at age 27.

West Coast: Laurie Keene – Recruited from Subiaco, Keene was a very talented ruckman, who suffered a severe Achilles injury in 1989 that sidelined him for over a season and significantly prevented him from displaying his true potential in the AFL. He played 36 games and kicked 38 goals from 1987 to 1990. Keene failed to play a game in both the 1991 or 1992 seasons and retired; however he went back to play with Subiaco in the WAFL until 1995.

I will endeavour to keep searching for the other club’s first ever goalscorer.
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GC = Charlie Dixon.

GWS = Callan Ward.
 

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*Paul* said:
Heh - check the Argus' report of University's first game. They mention the first goal scorer, but it hasn't scanned properly.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10678547

Given the spacing of the sentence below it, it looks like 5 letters, so it could be Edgar Kneen.
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I've zoomed in and have to agree. I'd be fairly confident it says Kneen rather than Fogerty or Ratz. I reckon you can make out the first letter being an uppercase K.

Would help if the next article made mention of who scored when for Richmond - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10678548
 
cozza441985 said:
I obtained this information from Jim Main’s magnificent book ‘In the Blood’.

Western Bulldogs: George Bayliss: Bayliss played 89 games and kicked 217 goals for Richmond from 1914, and then between 1916 and 1923. He was the Tigers’ leading goalkicker in 1920 with 63 goals, (which was also the highest in the League), 53 in 1921 (second behind Geelong’s Cliff Rankin with 61) and was part of the Tigers’ Premiership side that year, and 32 in 1922. Bayliss played 9 games and kicked 18 goals for Footscray in 1925, eventually finishing with a career total of 98 games and 235 goals. He was regarded as one of the best kicks in League football and a quick thinker.
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Confirmed: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2113637/436953?zoomLevel=3

"Hardly had the Fitzroy cheers subsided before Fraser sent the ball up quickly to Bayliss, who being awarded a free kick scored Footscray's first League goal."
 
North Melbourne: R1, 1925. Either Goonan or Metcalf

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2113655/436953?zoomLevel=3

And Paul, the article says that North's 1/4 time was 0.1 and not 1.1.

I can't place one of Metcalf's goals. North Melbourne's goals in order:

Q1 - Metcalf (???)
Q? - Goonan
Q2 - Metcalf
Q2 - Metcalf (???)
Q2 - Doherty
Q2 - Doherty
Q3 - Metcalf
Q3 - Johnson
Q4 - Clapson
Q4 - Lewis
 
Red and Black asked me to help you out. Richmond's first goal was by Billy Schmidt, in the second quarter of their 1908 game. Schmidt years later would coach Richmond for one season- took us to the 1933 Grand Final.
 

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cozza441985 said:
Essendon: Norman Waugh: Waugh was a star goalsneak who played 23 games and kicked 30 goals for the Bombers between 1897 and 1898. 23 of these goals were booted in 1897, which resulted in him finishing runner-up in the League to Geelong’s Eddy James. He went to South Africa to live in 1899 and on his return to Australia in 1906, believed that there was a future for the game there.

I will endeavour to keep searching for the other club’s first ever goalscorer.
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What is the source for Waugh kicking Essendon's first goal in round 1 of 1897 v Geelong?
 
rbartlett said:
Red and Black asked me to help you out. Richmond's first goal was by Billy Schmidt, in the second quarter of their 1908 game. Schmidt years later would coach Richmond for one season- took us to the 1933 Grand Final.
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Rhett's confirmed the source as the Richmond Guardian newspaper from the State Library.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Here's something from left field.

Who kicked Sydney's first goal since relocation?
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In case nobody claims to know off the top of their head.

Match reports from the Age can be got to from:

http://news.google.com/newspapers

Sth Melbourne's first two matches in Sydney were.

Sunday 15/06/1980

Sunday 26/07/1981

The first 'relocation' match was

Sunday 28/03/1982
 
rbartlett said:
Red and Black asked me to help you out. Richmond's first goal was by Billy Schmidt, in the second quarter of their 1908 game. Schmidt years later would coach Richmond for one season- took us to the 1933 Grand Final.
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I had afternoon tea once with Billy Schmidt. I didn't think to ask if he had kicked the first League goal for Richmond. At the age I was, I was more interested in his cockatoo which Billy said was older than he was.
 

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