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RogersResults said:
Geelong's 'game plan'.
Lull the opposition into a false sense of security?
Get the opposition to expend their ammunition early?
Rd 1 Hawthorn – 3.7 to 8.7 (10.8 to 4.7 thereafter)
Rd 2 Nth Melb - 5.4 to 12.3 (11.12 to 5.3)
Rd 3 Carlton – 5.5 to 8.4 (13.6 to 7.9)
Rd 4 Sydney – 7.2 to 10.3 (12.8 to 6.4)
Rd 6 Richmond – 5.3 to 8.4 (15.8 to 5.5)
Rd 7 Essendon – 3.5 to 6.8 (14.6 to 5.11)
I doubt there has ever been a sequence of matches like it.
Data from: AFL Tables - Match Scores/Match Stats/Scoring Progression.
(Records of scoring progression are available back to 2008)
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It is a very interesting trend.

Clearly Geelong seem to be running out second halves well, third quarters in particular.

Without a lot of 'grunt' players in the current line-up, I do feel that somehow the Cats just try to limit the damage early when they will concede a lot of ball in the contest. But in the second half when the game breaks open (actually it's almost always been in the second part of the second quarter), they come into their own.
 
Interesting to see Geelong's streak of coming from behind currently sitting at 6 out of 7 games where they had a "mildly worrying" to "sizeable" lead to overcome. It reminds me of Western Bulldogs' 2000 season:

Round 8 vs. St. Kilda: 31 points down at 3/4 time, won by 1
Round 12 vs. Melbourne: 34 points down at 1/2 time, won by 25
Round 15 vs. North: 42 points down 22 mins into 2nd Q, won by 4
Round 21 vs. Essendon: 22 points down 9 mins into 4th Q, won by 11

Geelong's present sequence is more condensed, and they have done it in more games, yet the Bulldogs had a greater average deficit to overcome.
 
worbod said:
Interesting to see Geelong's streak of coming from behind currently sitting at 6 out of 7 games where they had a "mildly worrying" to "sizeable" lead to overcome. It reminds me of Western Bulldogs' 2000 season:

Round 8 vs. St. Kilda: 31 points down at 3/4 time, won by 1
Round 12 vs. Melbourne: 34 points down at 1/2 time, won by 25
Round 15 vs. North: 42 points down 22 mins into 2nd Q, won by 4
Round 21 vs. Essendon: 22 points down 9 mins into 4th Q, won by 11

Geelong's present sequence is more condensed, and they have done it in more games, yet the Bulldogs had a greater average deficit to overcome.
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You can toss in a couple of Cats/Dogs games at Skilled as well in the early 2000's....i think twice the Dogs overcame 2nd quarter deficits of around 36 points to pull off a win.
 
Catsace said:
You can toss in a couple of Cats/Dogs games at Skilled as well in the early 2000's....i think twice the Dogs overcame 2nd quarter deficits of around 36 points to pull off a win.
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Seeing as you've mentioned it, I will do the right thing for all the statistically curious out there and provide the relevant details:

Round 17, 1999: 20 points down 18 mins into 4th Q, won by 7
Round 12, 2001: 47 points down 15 mins into 2nd Q, won by 7
Round 9, 2002: 40 points down 13 mins into 2nd Q, won by 12

All games played at Kardinia Park
 

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worbod said:
Seeing as you've mentioned it, I will do the right thing for all the statistically curious out there and provide the relevant details:

Round 17, 1999: 20 points down 18 mins into 4th Q, won by 7
Round 12, 2001: 47 points down 15 mins into 2nd Q, won by 7
Round 9, 2002: 40 points down 13 mins into 2nd Q, won by 12

All games played at Kardinia Park
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Of the 13 games that the Bulldogs have won at K.P since playing there from 1941 six were in the period 1995 to 2003 ('95, '98, '99, 01', '02, '03). Certainly the Bullies enjoyed playing there in that little era. Similarly, five of the eight victories by the Tigers over Geelong from 1984 until now occurred in that 1996-2000 period. Any wonder Cat fans are not great fans of Ayers as a coach!
 
worbod said:
Seeing as you've mentioned it, I will do the right thing for all the statistically curious out there and provide the relevant details:

Round 17, 1999: 20 points down 18 mins into 4th Q, won by 7
Round 12, 2001: 47 points down 15 mins into 2nd Q, won by 7
Round 9, 2002: 40 points down 13 mins into 2nd Q, won by 12

All games played at Kardinia Park
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Do you have videos of all these matches or is there some other source of progressive scores during quarters from this period?
 
Coming into round 7 both Essendon and Geelong had kicked 5 or more goals in 6 consecutive 3rd quarters. Essendon's streak ended and Geelong's streak extended to 7.

Below are all the instances of scoring 5 or more goals in 6 or more consecutive 1st,2nd,3rd or 4th quarters. (Most bolded)

1st quarter
Carlton: 6 – R9-14 1978
Collingwood: 7 – R14 1934-R1 1935
Fitzroy: 6 – R18-EF 1984.
Geelong: 6 – R6-11 1989
Nth Melbourne: 6 – R17-22 1986.
Nth Melbourne: 6 – R4-9 1993
Nth Melbourne: 6 – R1-6 1995

2nd quarter:
Collingwood: 8 – R3-10 1977
Essendon: 8: - R22 1972-R6 1973
Essendon: 6: - R13-18 2001.
Geelong: 9 – R1-9 1992.
Geelong: 6 – R3-8 2009.
Hawthorn: 6 – R4-10 1992
Port Adelaide: 6 – R18-QF 2001
Sydney: 6 – R16-21 1987

3rd quarter
Carlton: 8 – R15-22 1980.
Carlton: 7 - R21 1982 – R1 1983
Carlton: 6 R16-21 1983
Carlton: 6 R9-16 1993.
Collingwood: 6 –R3-8 1935
Collingwood: 9 – R22 2005-R8 2006.
Essendon: 8 – R4-11 1990
Essendon: 6 – PF 1999-R5 2000
Essendon: 6 – R11-16 2001
Essendon: 6 – R1-6 2013.
Geelong: 7 – R8-15 1991
Geelong: 7 – R6-12 2010
Geelong: 7 – R1-7 2013.
Hawthorn: 9 – R9-17 1982
Melbourne: 6 – R18-QF 1998
Nth Melbourne: 6 R3-8 1983
Nth Melbourne: 6 R2-7 2000

4th quarter.
Brisbane: 6 – R14-19 2005.
Carlton: 11 – R1-12 1979.
Carlton: 7 – R19 1987 – R1 1988
Carlton: 6 – SF 1999 – R3 2000.
Collingwood: 7 - R17 1970-SF 1970.
Collingwood: 6 - R19 1986-R2 1987
Essendon: 6 – R10-15 1990
Essendon: 6 – R9-14 1997.
Fitzroy: 6 – R21 1982 – R4 1983
Fitzroy: 6 – R17-22 1989
Geelong: 6 – R6-11 1980
Geelong: 8 – R11-18 1992
Hawthorn: 6 – R12-17 1991
Melbourne: 7 – R18-PF 2000
Richmond: 7 – R17-SF 1971
St Kilda: 6 – R10-16 2012
Sydney: 7 – R4-10 1980
West Coast: 6 – R1-6 1990
 
RogersResults said:
Do you have videos of all these matches or is there some other source of progressive scores during quarters from this period?
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For the 1999 match I have the Herald-Sun match report at home, whilst I used the Footystats Diary's seasonal review page for details about the 2000 and 2001 games.
I have complete DVDs of four other Western Bulldogs games.
 
Observed in Round 7 2013​
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  • A worst scoring return for Essendon since 1977.
  • Geelong improve a club record as well as a more publicised League record.
  • Essendon are now 1,700 matches away from the competitions non-existent trophy.
  • A first and two new 'bests' for Richmond.
  • West Coast's biggest win in a particular category of scoring.
  • A one in 301 event for Brisbane.
  • A first for Nth. Melbourne since 1983.
  • A worst result for the Bulldogs since joining the competition.
  • Five ducks for the Swans.
  • Hawthorn have only surrendered 19 points in the equivalent of a 'home and away' season.
  • A first for Collingwood since 2005-6.
  • A one in 4,743 scoreline in Subiaco.
  • Adelaide achieve a feat only done 12 times before in 117 seasons.
  • GWS have achieved in 29 matches what has taken their harbour city rivals 317 matches.
  • The Suns have achieved a feat in less matches than did 5 other League clubs.
  • Since 2002 nobody beats the Blues like the Saints do.
  • Five teams have all won 17 - lost 10 - drawn 1 of their quarters.
  • One team hasn't lost a 1st quarter, one team hasn't lost a 3rd quarter and one team hasn't won a 3rd quarter.
  • The team with the most 3rd quarter goals have scored 30 more 3rd quarter goals than the team with the least.
  • 5 teams have won and lost 6 of their last 12 matches.
  • Nine clubs have won a lower percentage of their round 7 matches than Gold Coast and GWS.
  • There are now four teams that have started the season five times with 7 wins from 7 matches.
  • Carlton have had 80 better starts to the season - Collingwood 85.

    Details and more click here
 

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St Kilda's winning score (77) was the same as their losing score the week before vs Collingwood and, for their second win, just like their first win vs GWS, conceded a score of 68.

Let's work on their combined score which is 145.

Ben McEvoy's considered Roo's replacement and Carlton's previous captain which was Juddy wears No. 5.

Take the 2 from each other and you get 140.

St Kilda were celebrating their 140th anniversary of their first game vs Carlton last night.
 
stemline said:
Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but what does this one mean? Can't find reference to it on your site. Is it rushed behinds?
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Sorry if that was too obscure.
  • Hawthorn's 19th win from their last 22 matches. Losses - Geelong (2), Sydney/SM (1). Average losing margin 6 points.


    Hawthorn have lost those 3 matches by a total of 19 points. (Geelong in 2011 lost 3 matches by a total of 25 points.)
 
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Times placed in the top 8 on the ladder after a​
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RogersResults said:
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Times placed in the top 8 on the ladder after a​
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Geelong just don't bottom out.

Hawthorn's very surprising with how low they are.

Brisbane won last years round 1 game vs Melbourne.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Geelong just don't bottom out.

Hawthorn's very surprising with how low they are.
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Hawks had a run of poor to mediocre seasons up to 2006 - remember they were nearly the 'Melbourne Hawks'.

Brisbane won last years round 1 game vs Melbourne.
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Well caught sir - where they went down the ladder in round 2 had sneaked into their round 1 record.
(Corrected table in OP.)
 

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Incidentally, though I'm sure it's been done before, the record here is 23, Bill Hutchison (22-0-1) vs St Kilda.
On the dreary side, Ted Pool never mounted the podium in 19 clashes v Carlton, two others have 0-19s, then it's the Poolmeister again with 0 and 17 vs Coll.
 
Hawthorn fielded the oldest team of the round in Rounds 6 & 8, for the first time since R21 1997.

Last time others were the oldest:
Adelaide - R18 2008
Brisbane - R22 2004
Carlton - R17 2002
Collingwood - R22 2006
Essendon - R5 1992
Fremantle - R1 2008
Geelong - R21 2012
Melbourne - R11 1997
North Melbourne - R5 2006
Port Adelaide - R22 2005
Richmond - R12 1986
St.Kilda - R20 2012
Sydney - R7 2013
Western Bulldogs - R21 2010
Fitzroy - R19 1981

West Coast, University, Gold Coast & GWS have never fielded the oldest team of the round.
 

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